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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034028 - 02/17/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Let's break this down one more time, shall we?

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Not at all



Now you know how you come across to me? WTF?


A Mormon is certain of his/her view of how the spiritual world works.

A Christian fundamentalist is certain of his/her view of how the spiritual world works.

A Muslim jihadist certain of his/her view of how the spiritual world works.

YOU are certain of how the spiritual world works.

(Sounds very much the same to me as I previously stated.)


Those differing spiritual views are NOT in aligment with each other yet all are certain. How can that possibly be? :confused: Either most are wrong or ALL are wrong.

Here is the simple answer: EGOCENTRIC SPIRITUAL ARROGANCE.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8034074 - 02/17/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I may come across to you as a jihadist, but that NOT AT ALL what it is. I have no control over how you precive my words, and dont want control of it what so ever, the fact you dont have the same beliefs as me doesnt offend me in the slightest.

You should understand that realisation of true essence of spirituality ONLY happens when there is no ego present to be arrogant.

So how can it be Egocentric spiritual arrogance?

We will never agree on this, it seems, but know this, christianity, buddhism, taoist, hindu are ALL right, they all have the same fundamental beliefs when you get down to the nitty gritty.

They are all in alighnment with each other, its the ego based aspect ofit that makes theyre very small differences stand out.

I seem to see the beauty in everything and let it be, you seem to want to pick everything apart. These are both good things.

So lets let each other be and believe in what we feel necessary to live happy fullfilling lives.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034118 - 02/17/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You can't say that we can detach ourselves from the "ego", the ego is part of who we are and because of it we function into this world. Because of it we are able to tell green light from red light (therefore are able to make a good decision regarding crossing the street :lol:), because of it we can distinguish different aspects of life and so on.
Without it we would be unable to do all that, and you would be unable to have this conversation.
What if instead of "losing the ego" we would use "building a healthy ego"? Sounds more down to earth to me. :wink:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034136 - 02/17/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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chronic777 said:They are all in alighnment with each other, its the ego based aspect ofit that makes theyre very small differences stand out.




another ego based difference, which isn't quite small, is how people follow scripture rather than their own experience into themselves.

this also goes for learned "truth" from outside sources, factual knowledge that is external and obtained from textbooks. following only this kind of knowledge will take one away from the ability to realize and understand the fact of consciousness and its depths.

the fact of consciousness cannot be externalized materially, objectified or conceptualized. did the bible say this? im sure the buddha said it in some form and the tao definitely displays it (although many still don't get it). but this is one of the most important things to bring into practise along this path, as disregarding it will definitely bring hindrances.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8034140 - 02/17/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:Here is the simple answer: EGOCENTRIC SPIRITUAL ARROGANCE.




is egocentric arrogance not shown in your words?


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: deranger]
    #8034224 - 02/17/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
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chronic777 said:They are all in alighnment with each other, its the ego based aspect ofit that makes theyre very small differences stand out.




another ego based difference, which isn't quite small, is how people follow scripture rather than their own experience into themselves.

this also goes for learned "truth" from outside sources, factual knowledge that is external and obtained from textbooks. following only this kind of knowledge will take one away from the ability to realize and understand the fact of consciousness and its depths.

the fact of consciousness cannot be externalized materially, objectified or conceptualized. did the bible say this? im sure the buddha said it in some form and the tao definitely displays it (although many still don't get it). but this is one of the most important things to bring into practise along this path, as disregarding it will definitely bring hindrances.




most definately, it cant be put in words so words cannot teach the truth, only the experience of within.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034248 - 02/17/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

another thing i forgot to mention is that it is also important (i am sure you're aware of) to always beware there is more to awareness than what we're currently aware of.

this is something i have to bash into my skull at all times, especially when i slack in meditation and get arrogant. human nature right?


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034283 - 02/17/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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We will never agree on this, it seems, but know this, christianity, buddhism, taoist, hindu are ALL right, they all have the same fundamental beliefs when you get down to the nitty gritty.





Not even close little brother. They are so similar that they kill each other over the differences.

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I seem to see the beauty in everything and let it be, you seem to want to pick everything apart.



Seeing beauty and decontructing arguments on a board where debate is encouraged have nothing in common and certainly are not polar opposites. Try to make sense.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: deranger]
    #8034287 - 02/17/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No. I am not making a proclamation on the nature of spirit and telling you to accept it as fact, now am I?


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8034332 - 02/17/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i will go along with it...

but what i was mainly trying to get at was most of us are trying to sound "right" in one way or another. this isn't discluding myself, at the time of posting that i thought about how i too was egocentric and arrogant. the vast majority of humans are...


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: deranger]
    #8034378 - 02/17/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Let's compare, shall we?

chronic: If everyone doesn't get the same out of tripping as I do then *blah blah blah* (all judgmental stuff on the nature of other's egos).

As if he was the supreme arbiter on the nature and purpose of tripping. :rolleyes:


OC: Everyone gets something entirely different from tripping. YMMV.


Which position reeks of arrogance?


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8034391 - 02/17/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol, do i have to choose?!


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: deranger]
    #8034406 - 02/17/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As chronic seems to find you more of a kindred spirit than me, perhaps you could explain it to him in a gentler way.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8034436 - 02/17/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The ego death theory holds that the essence and origin of religion is the use of visionary plants to routinely trigger the intense mystic altered state, producing loose cognitive-association binding, which then produces an experience of being controlled by frozen block-universe determinism with a single, pre-existing, ever-existing future.

Experiencing this model of control and time initially destabilizes self-control power, and amounts to the death of the self that was conceived of as an autonomous control-agent. Self-control stability is restored upon transforming one's mental model to take into account the dependence of personal control on a hidden, separate thought-source, such as Necessity or a divine level that transcends Necessity.

Myth describes this mystic-state experiential insight and transformation. Religious initiation teaches and causes this transformation of the self considered as a control-agent, through a series of visionary-plant sessions, interspersed with study of perennial philosophy. Most modern-era religion has been a distortion of this standard initiation system, reducing these concepts to a weak interpretation that is based in the ordinary state of consciousness. The ego death theory is, specifically, the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence, and it incorporates the entheogen theory of religion.

www.egodeath.com

Transcending the ego??


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8034490 - 02/17/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:snub:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8034494 - 02/17/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the mobile page is great

http://www.egodeath.com/mobile.htm


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8035604 - 02/17/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Seems nearly impossible for SOME people to learn how to use PMs...




:emocry:

Would you like me to teach you how to use PMs, to spare us all of the flirting you inflict upon us? :strokebeard:

I mean, I know that a :naughty: is the end of the world and everything, and is so disruptive of this thought-provoking thread, but it doesn't make sense to overreact to something that one is a shameless advocate of. :lol:

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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8035686 - 02/17/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am am he, as you are he, as your are me, and we are all together.

you are the walrus.:eek:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Icelander]
    #8035706 - 02/17/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Koo koo - ACHOO!


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8036687 - 02/18/08 05:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Bless you!


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