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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8030270 - 02/16/08 06:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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These people must live miserable existences, constantly fighting themselves.



People that don't think as you do are miserable? Any basis for this or is it just as empty as most of the other suppositions you put forth as truth?

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At least people who cling to wanting to communicate with the divine have open minds instead of shutting out the truth permanently with no possibility of faith within theyre lives.



Like the open-minded and dead Heaven's gate members?


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8030286 - 02/16/08 07:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its not about MY way of thinking, its about realisation of the truth.
Its has nothing to do with individuality.
And yes emptiness is all there is so everything i beleive in is empty as you put it. Except i feel it it as fullfillment in human form.

All i want for everyone is enlightenment, people seem to hate on me for this, and that definatley is a miserable existence.

Im not trying to be holier than thou im just telling the truth.
If you dont want to listen and only want to doubt thats your choice.


I dont know what that is (heavens gate) all im saying is people who experience the divine and still have no faith can not be helped by other beings, they can only help themselves.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8030293 - 02/16/08 07:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'The older I get the less I realize I know.'

:thumbup:

Should one keep it empty or fill it up??


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8030830 - 02/16/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What i dont understand is there are posters here with over thousands of posts and they still seem to have almost no grasp on reality, that makes me very cynical of the human race, how some people can have so many spiritual experiences (from entheogens)




One who takes entheogens must have a Chronic-like experience or they are not spiritual? Un-fucking-believeable! Could you possibly make a more self-centered, egoic statement?


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8030875 - 02/16/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not at all i didnt say that, every experience is different as we are living as indivuduals in the physical world, i was just saying i dont understand how sumone can have so many spiritual experieces and not come away with anything spiritual from it.

I wasnt syaing they have to have an experience like ive had but i dont get how you can come away with nothing spiritual from shrooms?


Theres nothing self centered about that, im going to trip now so i need your misunderstood bad vibes


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8031000 - 02/16/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All i want for everyone is enlightenment, people seem to hate on me for this, and that definatley is a miserable existence.

Of course your version of what enlightenment means, right?

Who hates you Mr. Martyr?

IMO you need a reality check dude.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8031244 - 02/16/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Its not about MY way of thinking, its about realisation of the truth.



How many members of diverse religions say the EXACT SAME THING?

You are not stuck in ego just believe your version of the truth is correct? That is rich.

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Im not trying to be holier than thou im just telling the truth


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Try or don't try your words are the very essence of spiritual arrogance. You don't a give a fuck about 'The Truth' only 'your truth'.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8031252 - 02/16/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I wasnt syaing they have to have an experience like ive had .



Yes you are. Try to be honest here.

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but i dont get how you can come away with nothing spiritual from shrooms



Your lack of understanding says nothing about anyone else. Try to get that.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8031254 - 02/16/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For the record can we outline what 'The Truth' is as opposed to 'your truth' somehow??


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031262 - 02/16/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As we are ALL limited beings all any of us can hope to have is little truths. The person who believes his little truth is The Truth is entering dangerous waters.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8031281 - 02/16/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tell me about it.
I fuckin drowned.

Just wanted more of what these truths might actually consist of.
Both of them.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8033830 - 02/17/08 07:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

First of all you made this thread about people experiencing god through psychedelics, i have done this, and my response was who and why people who cling too hard to this outcome push it away from them, and also stated that i dont understand how people who do experience god, then dont recognize it.

Its not about my experience its about the same exact experience through another being, as we are all the same being, being.

Beleive your truth as i beleive THE truth, you have to accept it and just deal with the fact that i beleive whole heartidly in THE truth and will act and speak accordingly as there is no doubt within me about it. Why should i spare your feelings because your not ready for it?

You just have to deal with the fact i believe in something with every fibre of my being and will stand up for it until the day i die, i will not bite my tongue for anyone or anything.

Why should i? Did Jesus or Buddha care about offending peoples beleifs so then just not speak THE truth? (this is not sacreligeous as they taught we are all the same)


You can get offended by what i beleive and call it MY truth, not yours, but whats mine is yours, vice versa, you can sit and fume over it, reply to my posts and flame me for it, call me arrogant, blind, stupid, ignorant, single minded, it does not change anything, it is still THe truth, your just arguing against yourself, i can see how you think this is arrogant, but its totally the opposite thats what you cant seem to comprehend, i have felt the truth as have MANY MANY others have too.

I dont consider myself "special", the simple fact of the matter is i dont need you to beleive me, and thats what makes it so beautifully true, many people agree with me, so even if you dont, life goes on and it always will as that is all there is.


Now go get your knickers in a twist over that partner :grin:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8033945 - 02/17/08 08:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see how your observation is in any real way substansive of the notion that human learning is a nearly impossible task. Clearly some learning is not applicable in certain experiences. It isn't like learning is difficult or most people are incapable, its just that people entering into a new experience don't have a good frame of reference and what one has read by others, trip reports that probably all say how beyond words the experience was, and they don't know quite what they are in for.

I don't like the notion that the rest of reality is so fatally flawed that we should be like "oh is it nearly impossible?" in such a way. Change takes time dependent on the present state of reality, what has been set into motion and how receptive everyone is to consciously creating change.

Its easy to become stuck in patterns of manifestation and this is clear when one looks at humanity as a whole. Its not nearly impossible for real advancement to take place, its just that change has to be produced first on an individual level, rippling out through reality.

A critical mass has to be established, otherwise the old one keeps propagating itself. If you want to alleviate ignorance, realize wisdom and act in accordance with the nature of reality. It is amazing how quickly it can manifest in the rest of reality. :wink:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: Chronic7]
    #8033951 - 02/17/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You just have to deal with the fact i believe in something with every fibre of my being and will stand up for it until the day i die




Sounds exactly like a Jihadist.


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8033953 - 02/17/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You tell them Sexy Butt McDanger :lecture:

:inlove:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8033963 - 02/17/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
You tell them Sexy Butt McDanger :lecture:

:inlove:




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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8033973 - 02/17/08 08:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Seems nearly impossible for SOME people to learn how to use PMs...


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8033984 - 02/17/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Seems :smirk:
I'm sure you don't take to account just assumptions. :lol:


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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8034015 - 02/17/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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You just have to deal with the fact i believe in something with every fibre of my being and will stand up for it until the day i die




Sounds exactly like a Jihadist.




Not at all lol, as im not threatenting anyone or anything and i never will, how could i intentionally bring harm to anything when i realise that that very thing is me?

I am am he, as you are he, as your are me, and we are all together.

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Re: Learning and Trip Reports [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8034016 - 02/17/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They just want to declare their love from the rooftops.


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