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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8339349 - 04/28/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
Sorry if I came across as an arrogant asshole. But to me it just seems all too obvious that sodium fluoride isn't good for you.





Feel free to prove it at any point

I'm still waiting for this conclusive evidnce.

Give me a citation of the type I've asked for before, i.e. a citation that's not a vague website w/ conclusary allegations without clear evidence to support the claims.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8339815 - 04/28/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

under summation - the first paragraph.

look on the links to the left too, fluoride has been shown to impair brain function in developing children. they have references to journals and whatnot too.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8340150 - 04/28/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hmm, well i dont' know what to tell you. I read the paper on their website, so maybe they cahnged it, maybe I somehow got the wrong one, or maybe the website you post is lieing.

EIther way it wasn't really relevant to whether flouride has evidence that it'll harm you in the levels commonly in drinking water.


And as to your other point, of course it can hurt you, but i'm not sure there's evidence of such at recomended levels.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8340365 - 04/29/08 12:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Alright here's your damn sources brah. Dig in!

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8340464 - 04/29/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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5. When I say show me an experiment or a study, I don't mean a blogspot page. Give me a citation to an experiment or study, such as an observational study of a population, and what that citation will prove, or a link is fine if its online, or an abstract is. Give me one citation, not a huge page of stuff jumbled together, not a bunch of links, one study/experiment.

This is usually where things break down, but all I want is one study, prefreably, for each of your claims.





at first glance it appears that page is a list of papers of various evidentiary quality.

Show me one experiment, or a review focuse specifically on the squestion at hand- cited to where it addresses this, and what you claim it specifically shows.

I'm not going to read a large website w/ embedded links.

Preferably a scholarly article in a neutral journal w/ experimental data.

One study.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8340703 - 04/29/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Did you know that fluoride is one of the main ingredients in Teflon? polytetraFLUROethylene?
Yes, I've been aware for a number of years now. Other people are welcome to Telfon cooking utensils, the only place I have it is on the bottom of my mouse.

And that this is why people who have non-stick pans can't have children anymore?
That's a fantastic claim. You got some evidence to go with that?



Do I need evidence? I just made that claim up and wrote it on the internet. Isn't that good enough?
I was sarcastically trying to show you that the presence of an element in a chemical does not mean you can predict the chemical's final properties. I mean, 50% of the salt in your food is chlorine - as used in WWI to gas soldiers!
It makes it difficult for me to take your arguments seriously when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
One final question: would you allow your children to use fluoro highlighters at school?


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
    #8341029 - 04/29/08 06:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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the presence of an element in a chemical does not mean you can predict the chemical's final properties.




This is a common fallacy that I see used over and over by the anti-drug crowd. The typical claim looks something like: "Drug XYZ is bad because it is made with drain cleaner and battery acid."


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