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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#8324424 - 04/24/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Linking to an MSDS isn't helpful. How about I show you an MSDS for ethanol and tell you that drinking alcohol will kill you? It's all about the dose.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
#8325622 - 04/25/08 01:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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is corrosiveness all about dose?
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#8325626 - 04/25/08 01:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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is ethanol patented as a rodentacide?
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#8325698 - 04/25/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Warfarin is a rodenticide, but taken in the right doses it's a very effective preventative measure against heart attack and stroke. Acetic acid is corrosive, but at the right dose it's a useful food ingredient (vinegar). It's always about the dose. To much of anything will kill you. But just the right amount can do wonderful things.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
#8325814 - 04/25/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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True, doesn't change the fact that i don't want the establishments fat feckn fingers in my water. First fluoride, Sodium silicofluoride and fluosilicic.acid. Then what? It opens the door to other mass medications.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#8325869 - 04/25/08 02:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those are all the same medicine.... and in any case, the slippery slope is a fallacy - you should be able to just consider the issue at hand without bringing hypothetical future scenarios into it. The reason 'the establishment' decided to fluoridate water supplies is for the same reason it made seatbelts compulsory: if you give people a choice, they won't do it. Sad but true.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
#8326585 - 04/25/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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zouden said: Those are all the same medicine.... and in any case, the slippery slope is a fallacy - you should be able to just consider the issue at hand without bringing hypothetical future scenarios into it. The reason 'the establishment' decided to fluoridate water supplies is for the same reason it made seatbelts compulsory: if you give people a choice, they won't do it. Sad but true.
I disagree. I wear my seatbelt because I don't want to die and seatbelts do nothing but secure my life. If the gov't made the same claims that fluoride helps our teeth then offered it in some way, there would be people that would do it and others who would be adverse to the idea.
What puzzles me is how can anything in water help your teeth? when I drink water it goes down my throat; I don't swish it around like I'm drinking fine wine.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: fazdazzle]
#8326698 - 04/25/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's small amounts of contact over long periods of time that's most effective. The fluoride in water is more effective than the fluoride in toothpaste. Seems counter-intuitive but that's what the research has shown; I figure that the process of forming the hydroxyfluoroapatite is a slow reaction.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: poke smot!]
#8326738 - 04/25/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's interesting... can you find more details?
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: poke smot!]
#8327326 - 04/25/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol you guys have fun with your rat poison.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
#8327641 - 04/25/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a topical agent ffs...
next we'll have sunscreen in our water to prevent skin cancer...
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#8327734 - 04/25/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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JonnyDeformed said: Its a topical agent ffs...
next we'll have sunscreen in our water to prevent skin cancer...
Our sunscreen is already bad enough on our skin. Anything that touches your skin for a long period of time WILL get absorbed.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#8327855 - 04/25/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Skin cancer is worse...
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
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zouden said: Skin cancer is worse...
That's why you regulate the amount of time you spend in the sun. If you are a white boy only spend maybe 15-30 minutes at most in the sun. If you're darker then obviously you'll need to spend more time in the sun. If you don't stay out too long you won't need sunscreen anyways. I think they sell all natural sunscreens if you need to stay out in the sun longer.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
#8328214 - 04/25/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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zouden said: Skin cancer is worse...
Worse than what? Suncream which causes prostate cancer?
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Sunscreen use actually causes cancer, it doesn't prevent it, says exhaustive scientific research by Mike Adams (see all articles by this author)
I've been saying this for years. Now the research is finally coming out to prove it: sunscreen use actually causes cancer, according to comprehensive new research published in the U.K.
There are two primary reasons why sunscreen causes cancer. First, and most importantly, the use of sunscreen blocks the skin from absorbing the sun's rays. That's what it's supposed to do, right? Yes, but in doing so, it also blocks the creation of all-essential vitamin D, the nutrient that the human body desperately needs to prevent as many as 25 chronic diseases. Notably: prostate cancer, breast cancer, osteoporosis, schizophrenia and heart disease.
It turns out that most people living in the Northern hemisphere (which probably includes you) are chronically deficient in vitamin D. By wearing sunscreen, they're depriving their bodies of perhaps the single most important nutrient they need to stay healthy.
The second reason sunscreen causes cancer is because it contains toxic chemicals in the form of artificial fragrance, chemical colors and petroleum products used as fillers and stabilizers. These chemicals are absorbed through the skin where they enter the bloodstream and wreak havoc on the immune system. Artificial fragrances, just by themselves, may contain dozens of carconigenic chemicals that damage the liver, the heart, and even promote systemic cancer.
Of course, the sunscreen manufacturers continue to deny all this while propagating the ridiculous myth that, "There's no such thing as a healthy tan." In reality, there's no such thing as a healthy pale person! A tan is a bonafide sign of good health, and a deep tan actually protects you from cancer.
All this has come out in this comprehensive new research report entitled, "Sunlight Robbery." To summarize the findings of the report, "To ensure optimum levels of vitamin D and optimum health people in the UK need to sunbathe whenever they can wearing as few clothes as possible while taking care not to burn. Vitamin D obtained from food provides only about 10% of our needs."
Well said. So much for the myth that sunshine is somehow bad for you.
http://www.naturalnews.com/z001264.html
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The sunscreen myth: How sunscreen products actually promote cancer by Mike Adams (see all articles by this author)
The idea that sunscreen prevents cancer is a myth. It's a myth promoted by a profit-seeking tag-team effort between the cancer industry and the sunscreen industry. The sunscreen industry makes money by selling lotion products that actually contain cancer-causing chemicals. It then donates a portion of that money to the cancer industry through non-profit groups like the American Cancer Society which, in turn, run heart-breaking public service ads urging people to use sunscreen to "prevent cancer."
The scientific evidence, however, shows quite clearly that sunscreen actually promotes cancer by blocking the body's absorption of ultraviolet radiation, which produces vitamin D in the skin. Vitamin D, as recent studies have shown, prevents up to 77 of ALL cancers in women (breast cancer, colon cancer, cervical cancer, lung cancer, brain tumors, multiple myeloma... you name it). Meanwhile, the toxic chemical ingredients used in most sunscreen products are actually carcinogenic and have never been safety tested or safety approved by the FDA. They get absorbed right through the skin (a porous organ that absorbs most substances it comes into contact with) and enter the bloodstream.
The benefits of sunscreen are a myth. Proponents say sunscreen prevents sunburn, but in fact, the real cause of sunburn is not merely UV exposure: It is a lack of antioxidant nutrition. Start eating lots of berries and microalgae (spirulina, astaxanthin, blue-green algae, etc.), and you'll build up an internal sunscreen that will protect your skin from sunburn from the inside out. Sunburn is actually caused by nutritional deficiencies that leave the skin vulnerable to DNA mutations from radiation, but if you boost your nutrition and protect your nervous system with plant-based nutrients, you'll be naturally resistant to sunburn. The same nutrients, by the way, also protect the optic nerve and eyes from radiation damage. That's why the consumption of berries and carrots, for example, has historically been associated with healthy eye function. (The same nutrients that protect the eyes also protect the skin.)
Medical nonsense If sunscreen is so bad for humans, you might ask, then why do so many doctors recommend using it? This might be hard for you to believe, but it wasn't too long ago that doctors routinely recommended smoking cigarettes, too. The Journal of the American Medical Association, in fact, ran numerous ads promoting Camels as "recommended by more doctors than any other cigarette!" Doctors talked up the "benefits" of smoking cigarettes, urging people to start smoking in order to improve brain function or even -- get this -- make their teeth stronger!
The truth is doctors are easily influenced by commercial interests and can be readily convinced to recommend practically any product, no matter how toxic, unhealthy or deadly to consumers. Just look at how many doctors wrote prescriptions for Vioxx, for example, after being visited by a Vioxx drug rep pushing it as a "miracle drug" for joint pain.
Also keep in mind that doctor-prescribed medications are the fourth leading cause of death in America today. About 100,000 Americans die each year from following the advice of their doctor. Does it really make any sense to get your health advice from a group of professionals who kill more Americans each year than all the terrorists have ever killed in the history of this country? Besides, doctors know that if they start recommending sunlight and vitamin D, they'll lose patients and profits because people will start getting well and have no need to keep visiting the doctor. Vitamin D, as you will learn in our free report, The Healing Power of Sunlight and Vitamin D, prevents not only cancer, but also diabetes, osteoporosis, depression, heart disease and obesity. It's the miracle nutrient of the millennium, and yet the entire medical profession tries desperately to pretend that vitamin D has no biological function whatsoever. Hence the support of sunscreen (the anti-vitamin D product).
Sunscreen directly promotes vitamin D deficiency. You show me a person who regularly uses sunscreen, and I'll show you a person who's on the road towards cancer and other degenerative diseases. People who use sunscreen are killing themselves and they don't even know it!
The sunscreen marketing con The marketing of sunscreen is another great example of consumer product companies fabricating a need in order to sell a high-profit product made mostly with toxic chemicals. There is no need for sunscreen, but the cancer industry and sunscreen manufacturers have created a fictitious need through a campaign of fear and disinformation, hypnotizing practically the entire population into believing one of the most ridiculous ideas in the universe: that sunlight is bad for human health.
Think about it. Our ancestors did not have indoor lighting; they exposed their skin to the sun regularly. They didn't run and hide from the sun, they used it as nourishment to generate a crucial vitamin that supports human health in a multitude of ways. The idea that "the sun is bad for you" makes about as much sense as "water is bad for you" or "the Earth is flat." This persistent myth was invented, marketed and publicized by an industry that profits from a gullible public believing demonstrable falsehoods.
But why would the cancer industry go along with the deception, you might ask? Because the continued commercial success of the cancer industry depends on more people getting cancer. In previous articles, I've clearly shown that the cancer industry has no interest whatsoever in preventing cancer. The industry, in fact, takes steps to interfere with prevention efforts and thereby ensure the growth in the number of future cancer patients.
The American Cancer Society, for example, still will not recommend that anyone take vitamin D supplements, even though the vitamin can prevent nearly 4 out of 5 cancers. The cancer industry simply has no interest in preventing cancer. It is only interested in treating cancer and profiting from those treatments. (That's why genuine cancer cures have been routinely suppressed, censored or discredited in the United States.) Read my book, Natural Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing About Them, to learn the shocking truth about how the cancer industry really operates in America today.
The promotion of sunscreen products is a way for the cancer industry to ensure future profits from the treatment of cancer. The more people use sunscreen products, the more they'll get cancer. And that's due to two primary reasons: 1) Sunscreen blocks vitamin D production, a nutrient that strongly prevents cancer, and 2) Sunscreen products almost always contain cancer-causing chemicals that are absorbed through the skin and enter the bloodstream where they cause severe DNA damage, leading to cancer.
Seven important questions about sunscreen The next time you see some public service advertisement urging you to smother yourself and your children with sunscreen chemicals, think hard before taking action. Ask yourself these seven commonsense questions:
1) Is the sun really dangerous to humans? If so, how did humans survive for the last 350,000 years on planet Earth?
2) Have the chemicals used in sunscreen products ever been safety tested or approved by the FDA? (The answer is no.)
3) Who financially benefits when you keep buying and using sunscreen products?
4) What is the environmental impact of sunscreen chemicals washing off into the ocean, a lake, a swimming pool or being washed down the drain in your shower?
5) Sunscreen manufacturers say the skin doesn't absorb their chemicals. If that's true, then how do nicotine patches work? How do transdermal drugs get absorbed through the skin if sunscreen chemicals don't? (Answer: ALL these chemicals get absorbed through the skin. The skin is not selective about what it chooses to absorb.)
6) If the sun is so dangerous, then why is the vitamin generated by sunlight (vitamin D) so healthy for humans? Why would humans evolve a mechanism for generating a vitamin from sunlight if we weren't supposed to be exposed to sunlight in the first place?
7) If sunlight is so dangerous, then why is virtually every living creature on planet Earth dependent on sunlight for survival? Plants use sunlight to generate their nutrition, too, and most animals eat either plants or other animals that originally ate plants. Nearly all life on planet Earth is powered by sunlight. Why does the cancer industry believe sunlight causes death when, in reality, sunlight delivers life?
Once you answer these questions, the reality of the situation becomes obvious: Sunlight is good for you, and sunscreen is a hoax.
Action items Be sure to read our free report on this: The Healing Power of Sunlight and Vitamin D. This provides tips on how to safely gauge your level of exposure to sunlight. Don't just rush out and get burned; boost your nutrition and work up a natural tan as nature intended.
See the article: Vitamin D slashes cancer risk by 77 percent.
Visit our topic page on Vitamin D.
If you choose to buy sunscreen, only buy natural sunscreen products containing no petrochemicals! One brand I recommend is Caribbean Blue Natural Basics "Sun Shield." You can find more at www.gocaribbeanblue.com
Smearing berries on your skin also works as a natural sunscreen, as does smearing aloe vera gel on your skin. Amazon Herb Co. distributors use a product called Camu C Serum as a natural suncreen. It works great! http://www.amazondreams.amazonherb.net
The best sunscreen, however, is an internal sunscreen built with nutrition. Eat chlorella, spirulina, goji berries, raspberries, blackberries, blueberries, astaxanthin, carrots and nutrient-rich superfoods to boost your skin's natural UV protection (takes about 30 days of nutrition to boost skin levels).
http://www.naturalnews.com/z021903.html
http://www.vvv.com/healthnews/dsunscre.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lauren-fornes/sunscreen-causes-cancer-_b_93916.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/313088/sunscreen_causes_cancer.html
Now, tangent aside, back to the issue. Why should I drink fluoridated water? Bearing in mind I like my teeth not to break apart and become mottled
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8328402 - 04/25/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's an interesting development over this side of the planet.
In a two month period our state government as prohibited medicinal plants, specifically lophophora but also any planet containing any illicit compound. This includes Acacias (our Nations Emblem). Whilst at the same time passing a bill which insures fluoridation, mass medication....
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/ACTS/2008/08AC004.pdf
http://www.health.qld.gov.au/fluoride/
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8329260 - 04/26/08 01:10 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Milk is usually fortified with vitamin D in the northern hemisphere. There's definitely more than one way to obtain your daily allowance...
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1) Is the sun really dangerous to humans? If so, how did humans survive for the last 350,000 years on planet Earth?
Is it not true that ozone depletion since the Industrial Revolution has severely increased the amount of harmful UV rays passing through our atmosphere?
There looks to be a lot of bullshit () there, but so much of it (common with these... alternative theories) and so many wild claims that it's not even worth attempting to research every piece of information.
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Cameron]
#8329342 - 04/26/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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That Mike Adams guy seems to be quite off the mark. Anyone living in Australia will tell you that the sun is very fucking dangerous. People with European ancestry just don't have the melanin to withstand the amount of UV light we receive here. 15 minutes in the sun and you will start to burn. Do that too much and you will get skin cancer. Sunscreen saves lives.
The government has just passed a law banning solarium use for anyone under 18 because a girl got skin cancer and died from using one too much. In Melbourne. Personally I think they should ban all of them. There's no such thing as a healthy tan.
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