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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #8299595 - 04/18/08 02:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

what about fluoride in toothpaste? insanity?
what is a college student to do? are those brita filters worth the time?


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8299698 - 04/18/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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MokshaIs said:
what about fluoride in toothpaste? insanity?
what is a college student to do? are those brita filters worth the time?




Use baking soda, it's cheap as fuck to.  Get distilled water instead.  You can buy 'em at your local supermarket for a dollar or if you have money you can buy this for relatively cheaply.  Peace brah


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8300015 - 04/18/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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uh huh


you mean peer reviewed and rejected?  Usually that term is meant to refer to items that are peer reviewed and accepted.


  Additionally, the whole premise of the journal pretty much demolishes any inertia the article's findings would sustain from that fact alone.  I've not looked at all the claims in the review you post, but if you want to point me to something with actual experimental data, or at least some observational study, feel free to




What premise of the journal? To research fluoride? :what: You obviously didn't look through the site. They have over 30 years worth of peer reviewed journals on fluoride research, with both sides of the issue. However, the negative far outweighs the rest. So you just make a baseless assumption on one paragraph you read in one article I posted? nice.

I posted this in the other thread and I'm tired of going in circles with people about this issue so I'll just repost. The research has all been done. There is also most definitely a conspiracy to suppress the truth about fluoride, and has been for well over 50 years. But when the former head of Forsyth with a Ph.D in toxicology says that fluoride is a harmful neurotoxin, I am going to believe her over some random skeptics on the shroomery that don't present any research and just debunk everything without even reading it. If you want to argue, then show me some evidence that it's not a neurotoxin, otherwise I am done trying to help educate people that just want to blindly argue a moot point because they grew up believing some fairy tale about fluoride being good for their teeth because the benevolent colgate-palmolive said so.

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I cannot find anything in scientific literature to back up this claim; though my search was short lived as I got sick of wading through the tons of unsubstantiated garbage that make the same claim.  Can anybody can point me towards actual research as opposed to popular opinion?




First see this: http://www.slweb.org/EPA-Masters.jpg

And now these:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7760776
http://www.fluoride-journal.com/96-29-2/292-57.htm
http://www.qawf.org/documents/evidencefluorideharmfuloverwhelming.pdf
http://www.fluoride-journal.com/97-30-2/302-89.htm
http://www.atlaschiro.com/fluorideresch.htm#TOXICITY%20OF%20FLUORIDE

If you are the least bit interested to hear the story of Dr. Phyllis J. Mullenix, Ph.D, a pharmacologist and toxicologist by training.. Head of the Toxicology Department at the Forsyth Dental Center in the 1980s.. a world renowned dental research institution affiliated with the Harvard Medical School.. who was asked  to conduct research on the neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride... and after presenting her data to the NIH and the National Institute of Dental Research.. she was canned overnight and they intentionally suppressed her data.

http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.6.HEALTH.Floride.DrPhylissMullennix.htm

VIDEO: (Very interesting, I suggest you watch)






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Eh?  What type of rat poison?  Most rat poisons are anticoagulants, such as warfarin (C19H16O4), bromadiolone (C9H6O2), and pindone (C14H14O3).  The other common types of rat poisons are metal phosphides, such as aluminum phosphide (AlP), and zinc phosphide (Zn3P2).  Even strychnine (C21H22N2O2) contains no fluorine.




There are many patents:
http://www.fluoride-history.de/p-insecticides.htm

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_fluoroacetate

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> But fluoride builds up in the body over time.

"The fluoride excretion was ... and 3.5±0.22 mg/day during the control period."

Source: http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n1/full/1601287a.html#tbl2




http://www.fluorideresearch.org/402/files/FJ2007_v40_n2_p101-110.pdf




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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Shroomism]
    #8300501 - 04/18/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

these filters claim to remove fluoride and arsenic..
their systems a on the expensive side (300+ dollars for the whole thing including the fluoride post filters)

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Shroomism]
    #8301053 - 04/18/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
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johnm214 said:
uh huh


you mean peer reviewed and rejected?  Usually that term is meant to refer to items that are peer reviewed and accepted.


  Additionally, the whole premise of the journal pretty much demolishes any inertia the article's findings would sustain from that fact alone.  I've not looked at all the claims in the review you post, but if you want to point me to something with actual experimental data, or at least some observational study, feel free to




What premise of the journal? To research fluoride? :what: You obviously didn't look through the site. They have over 30 years worth of peer reviewed journals on fluoride research, with both sides of the issue. However, the negative far outweighs the rest. So you just make a baseless assumption on one paragraph you read in one article I posted? nice.

I posted this in the other thread and I'm tired of going in circles with people about this issue so I'll just repost. The research has all been done. There is also most definitely a conspiracy to suppress the truth about fluoride, and has been for well over 50 years. But when the former head of Forsyth with a Ph.D in toxicology says that fluoride is a harmful neurotoxin, I am going to believe her over some random skeptics on the shroomery that don't present any research and just debunk everything without even reading it. If you want to argue, then show me some evidence that it's not a neurotoxin, otherwise I am done trying to help educate people that just want to blindly argue a moot point because they grew up believing some fairy tale about fluoride being good for their teeth because the benevolent colgate-palmolive said so.





The premise of the journal is that fluoride is bad.  What makes you think I didn't look through the site?  And feel free to point me to the positive articles on fluoride.

You're tired of going in circles?  Just provide evidence fluoride isn't good for teeth.

And do you contend that that review was peer reviewed?  I don't think it matters at all, but you made the claim.

And you shifting the burden doesn't accomplish your goal.  1.  I never said fluoride wasn't a neurotoxin.  2.  We weren't discussing that issue.


Fallacy Count:  Appeal to Authority; Shifting the Burden of Proof; Equivocating; Ad hominem/ strawman

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8301375 - 04/18/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The problem determining the effects of flouride in humans is one of ethics. You can't ethically test whether or not somehting is a neurotoxin on someone. The reason is obvious: what if you're right?

Most of the studies cited are animal studies and almost entirely irrelevant. Injecting an animal with enormous, bolus amounts of flouride isn't comparable to the miniscule amounts found in water.

The reason there is such controversy over flouridation is because their isn't clear evidence either way concerning it's benefit/risk ratio.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: badchad]
    #8302012 - 04/18/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The problem determining the effects of flouride in humans is one of ethics. You can't ethically test whether or not somehting is a neurotoxin on someone. The reason is obvious: what if you're right?




Please apply the same logic to smoking tobacco and lung cancer.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Seuss]
    #8302605 - 04/18/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I was trying to think of a way to drink non-fluoridated water but retaining minerals...would it work to set your water at about 100F for a bit? The boiling point of hydrogen fluoride is 67.2F I wonder if even the old fashioned boil your water to make sure it's clean would work? Might take less time and would kill other bacteria that are present in your tab water. (again saving minerals.)

WOAH! I was looking at the wiki for Hydrogen fluoride and it said that hydrogen fluoride together with hydrofluoric acid, is the principal industrial source of fluorine and hence the precursor to many important compounds including pharmaceuticals and polymers (e.g. Teflon). No wonder why teflon got the boot...or wait - did it?

I just realized another alternative might be to drink distilled water along with a supplemental vitamin, which would actually get a wider variety of minerals in your body.

Edited by fazdazzle (04/18/08 10:04 PM)

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: fazdazzle]
    #8302626 - 04/18/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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fazdazzle said:
I was trying to think of a way to drink non-fluoridated water but retaining minerals...would it work to set your water at about 100F for a bit? The boiling point of hydrogen fluoride is 67.2F I wonder if even the old fashioned boil your water to make sure it's clean would work? Might take less time and would kill other bacteria that are present in your tab water. (again saving minerals.)

WOAH! I was looking at the wiki for Hydrogen fluoride and it said that hydrogen fluoride together with hydrofluoric acid, is the principal industrial source of fluorine and hence the precursor to many important compounds including pharmaceuticals and polymers (e.g. Teflon). No wonder why teflon got the boot...or wait - did it?




Save yourself a lot of bullshit and just drink distilled water. Simple as that. The notion that you need minerals in water is absurd. You can easily get all the minerals you need in food.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8302673 - 04/18/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I havn't seen any research on this, but I thought distilled water through osmosis will leech minerals out of your body?

I drank RO purified water for a while but switched back to tap after finding out that RO & distilled water are pure water (no minerals). I'm starting to take a daily vitamin so I'll probably switch back to RO water since it tastes much much better than our tap water.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: fazdazzle]
    #8302755 - 04/18/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I havn't seen any research on this, but I thought distilled water through osmosis will leech minerals out of your body?

I drank RO purified water for a while but switched back to tap after finding out that RO & distilled water are pure water (no minerals). I'm starting to take a daily vitamin so I'll probably switch back to RO water since it tastes much much better than our tap water.




That is quack science comparable to that of the tobacco lawsuits. Just drink distilled water and be like Mike!


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Seuss]
    #8303742 - 04/19/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Seuss said:
Please apply the same logic to smoking tobacco and lung cancer.




Somewhat similar logic applies actually. It's rather difficult to perform studies of tobacco and nicotine in non-smokers. The risk is you'll get them addicted, and then they'll suffer adverse consequences.

You'd never get approval to test the neurotoxicity of a compound in humans (unless you were doing some sort of retrospctive analysis of something they were already exposed to).


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: badchad]
    #8317629 - 04/23/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The problem determining the effects of flouride in humans is one of ethics. You can't ethically test whether or not somehting is a neurotoxin on someone.



But towns with naturally fluoridated water have lower incidences of dental health problems that towns with no fluoride. And adding fluoride to those towns' water supplies brings the level of dental health to parity.
That's an experiment right there, and it's been done hundreds, if not thousands of times all over the world.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
    #8317656 - 04/23/08 04:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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But towns with naturally fluoridated water have lower incidences of dental health problems that towns with no fluoride. And adding fluoride to those towns' water supplies brings the level of dental health to parity.
That's an experiment right there, and it's been done hundreds, if not thousands of times all over the world.




according to david icke, that is a big ol silly willy of a notion. I don't know what to think. There is science that refutes that science, so therefore, science just don't kno fo sho. I go with, don't put anything in the water. does anyone really believe that fluoride was put in the water to keep our teeth nice and strong? perhaps i am cynical.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8317687 - 04/23/08 04:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I believe it was put in the water to make our teeth stronger. It bears up to scientific scrutiny - the evidence that flouride makes our teeth stronger on a molecular level is very solid, the evidence that water fluoride concentrations no greater than 1ppm are beneficial to dental health is also very solid, and (on a bigger scale) epidemiological studies have shown the result of adding fluoride to water.
On a molecular, physiological and statistical level, fluoridated water is a marvel of modern public health, second only to vaccinations.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: zouden]
    #8319494 - 04/23/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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zouden said:
I believe it was put in the water to make our teeth stronger. It bears up to scientific scrutiny - the evidence that flouride makes our teeth stronger on a molecular level is very solid, the evidence that water fluoride concentrations no greater than 1ppm are beneficial to dental health is also very solid, and (on a bigger scale) epidemiological studies have shown the result of adding fluoride to water.
On a molecular, physiological and statistical level, fluoridated water is a marvel of modern public health, second only to vaccinations.




Are you guys really this brainwashed? Jesus Christ! Do you know what fluoride is and what it does when it enters your body? Do you know what's in vaccines? It's time to wake up and see what is happening right before you! The gov't doesn't give a flaming fuck about you!

Formaldehyde:

(Used in vaccines as a tissue fixative)

Aust. National Research Council: Fewer than 20% but perhaps more than 10% of the general population may be susceptible to formaldehyde and may react acutely at any exposure level. More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems, on at least 8 federal regulatory lists, ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health (Environmental Defense Fund).

It is not safe at ANY level.

National Academy of Science:
There is no population threshold for irritation effects.

National Research Council:
Fewer than 20% but perhaps more than 10% of the general population may be susceptible to formaldehyde and may react acutely at any exposure level.

Formaldehyde is oxidised to formic acid which leads to acidosis and nerve damage. Acidosis can be described as a condition in which the acidity of the body tissues and fluids is abnormally high. The liver and the kidneys may also be damaged.

Other effects:

Eye; nasal; throat and pulmonary irritation; acute sense of smell; alters tissue proteins; anaemia; antibodies formation; apathy; blindness; blood in urine; blurred vision; body aches; bronchial spasms; bronchitis; burns nasal and throat; cardiac impairment; palpitations and arrhythmias; central nervous system depression; changes in higher cognitive functions; chemical sensitivity; chest pains and tightness; chronic vaginitis; colds; coma; conjunctivitis; constipation; convulsions; corneal erosion; cough; death; destruction of red blood cells; depression; dermatitis; diarrhoea; difficulty concentrating; disorientation; dizziness; ear aches; eczema; emotional upsets; ethmoid polyps; fatigue; fecula bleeding; foetal asphyxiation (and they don’t know what could cause SIDS?); flu-like or cold like illness; frequent urination with pain; gastritis; gastrointestinal inflammation; headaches; haemolytic anaemia; haemolytic haematuria; hoarseness; hyperactive airway disease; hyperactivity; hypomenstrual syndrome; immune system sensitiser; impaired (short) attention span; impaired capacity to attain attention; inability or difficulty swallowing; inability to recall words and names; inconsistent IQ profiles; inflammatory diseases of the reproductive organs; intestinal pain; intrinsic asthma; irritability; jaundice; joint pain; aches and swelling; kidney pain; laryngeal spasm; loss of memory; loss of sense of smell; loss of taste; malaise; menstrual and testicular pain; menstrual irregularities; metallic taste; muscle spasms and cramps; nasal congestions; crusting and mucosae inflammation; nausea; nosebleeds; numbness and tingling of the forearms and finger tips; pale, clammy skin; partial laryngeal paralysis; pneumonia; post nasal drip; pulmonary oedema; reduced body temperature; retarded speech pattern; ringing or tingling in the ear; schizophrenic-type symptoms; sensitivity to sound; shock; short term memory loss; shortness of breath; skin lesions; sneezing; sore throat; spacey feeling; speaking difficulty; sterility; swollen glands; tearing; thirst; tracheitis; tracheobronchitis; vertigo; vomiting blood; vomiting; wheezing.

References; C. Wilson; Chronic Exposure and Human Health (1993), McFarland & Company taken from Our Toxic Times Feb 1997 pgs 18 & 19.

Mercury:

(Used in vaccines as a preservative.)

Before you say, "But haven't they removed mercury from the vaccines on the childhood vaccination schedule?" read this: http://www.acnem.org/journal/23-2_september_2004/vaccines_and_mercury.htm

See this video filmed by the University of Calgary of an actual brain neuron - watch what happens to it when it is exposed to (a low amount of) mercury: http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/ The following is a written article about this video: http://unisci.com/stories/20011/0327013.htm

Mercury is the second most poisonous element known to man (next to uranium and its derivatives). As illustrated in the above video, neurons are observed to disintegrate in its presence. It has also been found to cause changes to chromosomes.

The U.S. has known about the potential problems of thimerosal (compound in vaccines that contains mercury) for many years. The World Health Organization voiced concerns as far back as 1990. Mercury is a highly toxic element which does not easily leave the body. Once ingested, injected, or inhaled, it stays and accumulates. An infant can receive in one day’s doses of vaccines as much as the absolute maximum set by the W.H.O. for 3 months of exposure, but it is not safe at ANY level.

Thimerosal is listed as a recognized developmental toxicant as well as a suspected skin or sense organ toxicant by the Environmental Defense Fund1. The following was taken from a website affiliated with the National Institutes for Health2:

"Symptoms of exposure to this class of compounds includes aphthous, stomatitis, catarrhal gingivitis, nausea, liquid stools, pain, liver disorder, injury to the cardiovascular system and hematopoietic system, deafness and ataxia. Exposure may be fatal. Headache, paresthesia of the tongue, lips, fingers and toes, other non-specific dysfunctions, metallic taste, slight gastrointestinal disturbances, excessive flatus and diarrhea may occur. Acute poisoning may cause gastrointestinal irritation and renal failure. Early signs of severe poisoning include fine tremors of extended hands, loss of side vision, slight loss of coordination in the eyes, speech, writing and gait, inability to stand or carry out voluntary movements, occasional muscle atrophy and flexure contractures, generalized myoclonic movements, difficulty understanding ordinary speech, irritability and bad temper progressing to mania, stupor, coma, mental retardation in children, skin irritation, blisters and dermatitis. Other symptoms include chorea, athetosis, tremors, convulsions, pain and numbness in the extremities, nephritis, salivation, loosening of the teeth, blue line on the gums, anxiety, mental depression, insomnia, hallucinations and central nervous system effects. Exposure may also cause irritation of the eyes, mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract."

References:
1.) Environmental Defense Fund - http://www.scorecard.com/
2.) National Institutes for Health -
http://ntp-db.niehs.nih.gov/NTP_Reports/NTP_Chem_H&S/NTP_Chem5/Radian54-64-8.txt

Here is an excerpt from "The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice" (Randall Neustaedter, North Atlantic Books, 1996):

"Sensitivities to thimerosal in vaccines apparently develop as a result of previous vaccinations (Förström et al., 1980). Even the minute amount of thimerosal used in vaccines (.1 to .01%) can specifically stimulate the immune system and cause sensitization (Aberer, 1991). Mercury is a violent poison with many toxic effects. The toxicity of mercury varies depending on the form in which the element appears. Metallic mercury has different effects than inorganic or organic mercury compounds. However, major differences in toxicity are not expected among the different compounds within the inorganic group of mercury salts (Clement, 1992)...

...The neurologic toxicity symptoms caused by mercury compounds have a delayed onset after exposure (Bakir et al, 1973), which may have significance for the suspected long-term neurologic symptoms of learning disabilities and behaviour disorders associated with vaccines. (For full references, refer to book.)"
Antifreeze: (This is in the polio vaccine.) Classed as "Very Toxic Material". May lead to kidney, liver, blood and central nervous system (CNS) disorders. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. Effects include behavioural disorders, drowsiness, vomiting, diarrhoea, visual disturbances, thirst, convulsions, cyanosis, and rapid heart rate, CNS stimulation, depression, cardiopulmonary effects, kidney disorders. May also lead to liver and blood disorders. Produces reproductive and developmental effects in experimental animals.

(Source: http://www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/MSDS/014/014978.pdf)
Aluminium:

EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant. Implicated as a cause of brain damage; suspected factor in Alzheimer's Disease, dementia, convulsions and comas. More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems. On at least 2 federal regulatory lists. (This element is not toxic when only in trace amounts, indeed at such levels is even beneficial to the body, however a trace amount is extremely minute - the level in vaccines is enormously higher, at around 0.5%)
2-Phenoxyethanol:

EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant, reproductive toxicant. Metabolic poison (i.e. interferes with the metabolism in all cells). Capable of disabling the immune system's primary response. Contains phenol (see below).
Phenol:

EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant aka Carbolic Acid, developmental toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant, skin or sense organ toxicant. More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems. On at least 8 federal regulatory lists
Methanol:

Described as a volatile, flammable and poisonous liquid alcohol. In industry, it is used as a solvent and an antifreeze compound in fuel. In the body it is metabolised to formaldehyde (see above). Whilst it can be found naturally in the pectin that is present in some common fruits, it is only in very small quantities in fruit and does not pose a danger to the body in that form.
Borax

(sodium tetraborate decahydrate):


Traditionally used as a pesticide, including ant killer. Suspected cardiovascular or blood toxicant, endocrine toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant and neurological toxicant. Found to cause reproductive damage and reduced fertility in a study on rats.
Glutaraldehyde:

Poisonous if ingested (would be worse if injected). Causes birth defects in experimental animals.
MSG

(monosodium glutamate):


In a 1995 report by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB) two groups of people were defined as intolerant of MSG - those who eat large quantities of MSG (which is in many processed foods as a flavour enhancer - # 621) and those with “severe, poorly controlled asthma”. (Can you guess now why sensitivity to MSG is so common?) According to this report which was contracted by the FDA the following are symptoms that they found in reaction to MSG.


A. Burning sensation in the back of the neck, forearms and chest
B. Numbness in the back of the neck, radiating to the arms and back
C. Tingling, warmth, and weakness in the face, temples, upper back, neck and arms
D. Facial pressure or tightness
E. Chest pain
F. Headache
G. Nausea
I. Rapid heartbeat
J. Bronchospasm (difficulty breathing) in MSG-intolerant people with asthma
K. Drowsiness
L. Weakness

An FDA web page called "FDA and Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)" states "Injections of glutamate in laboratory animals have resulted in damage to nerve cells in the brain."

In 1978 MSG was removed from baby food and other baby products for infants less than one year of age because the American Academy of Pediatrics and the National Academy of Sciences expressed concerns.
Sulfate and phosphate compounds

(to one or more of which your child may have already developed a severe allergy from past vaccinations.)

Ammonium Sulfate:


EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant.

Gentamicin Sulfate:


an antibiotic.

Neomycin Sulfate:


an antibiotic. Interferes with Vitamin B6 absorption. An error in the uptake of B6 can cause a rare form of epilepsy and mental retardation.

Tri(n)butylphosphate:


EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant. More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems. On at least 1 federal regulatory list.

Polymyxin B:


another antibiotic
Polysorbate 20 / 80:

EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant. Known to cause cancer in animals.
Sorbitol:

EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant. Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system.
Polyribosylribitol:

a component of the Hib bacterium.
Beta-Propiolactone:

EDF Recognized - carcinogen, EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, respiratory toxicant, skin or sense organ toxicant. More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems. On at least 5 federal regulatory lists. Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to humans.
Amphotericin B:

MME definition - "a drug used to treat fungus infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur."
Animal organ tissue and blood:

Animal cell lines need to be used to culture the viruses in vaccines, so this material is included in the formulation that is injected. Other than when this protein material is digested (i.e. consumed and broken down into its component amino acids, etc, before absorption), it is unusable and toxic to the body. It can also contain many animal viruses (see Animal Viruses).

Animals used include monkey (kidney), cow (heart), calf (serum), chicken (embryo and egg), duck (egg), pig (blood), sheep (blood), dog (kidney), horse (blood), rabbit (brain), guinea pig, etc.
Aborted human foetal tissue and human albumin:

This is something you might like to consider if you are against abortion. Also from a health point of view tissue from another human (not just animals) is still foreign and therefore toxic to the body.

Large foreign proteins:


In addition to the above accompanying (protein) material, there are large proteins that are deliberately included, used for such purposes as adjuvants (i.e. to help get an immune "response"). Egg album and gelatin (or gelatine, obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle skins, de-mineralized cattle bones and pork skin) are in several vaccines. Casein (milk protein) is in the triple antigen, i.e. DPT vaccine. As explained above, when injected, proteins are toxic to the body. Hence the immune system "response" - it is stressed by this invasion, which results in sensitisation - it becomes sensitive to these substances, not immune to them.

Is it any wonder, then, that allergies to these substances are now so common (in the case of milk, resulting in the relatively recent emergence of milk alternatives such as soy and rice "milk"s)?
Latex:

This is in the hepatitis B vaccine which is given routinely to health workers. Have you heard about the problem of the high occurrence of latex allergy among nurses? How do you think they became sensitised to latex? Allergic reactions can be life-threatening. Hepatitis B vaccine is now routinely given to newborn babies in many countries, including Australia and the US.
Animal Viruses:

Some of these can be particularly alien to the human body. The most frequently documented and publicised example is the monkey virus SV40. This is harmless in monkeys, but inject it into a human and it can cause cancer – in the brain (tumours), bone (e.g. multiple myeloma), lungs (mesothelioma) and lymphoid tissue (lymphoma). It has appeared in people born in the last 20 years (The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Sep 1999;180:884-887), long after the manufacturer claimed to have "cleaned up" the polio vaccine in which it was found. Such cases include the late Alexander Horwin, both of whose parents tested negative for SV40, therefore recent cases cannot just be blamed on inheritance from parents who received the vaccine (see www.ouralexander.org).
Human Viruses:

The viruses against which the vaccine is supposed to protect are frequently said to be "killed", "inactivated" or "attenuated". This is a myth. The main method used to inactivate viruses is treatment with formaldehyde, whose effectiveness is only limited, and even then only temporary - once the brew is injected into the body and disperses, it is documented in orthodox medical literature that these "killed" viruses can revert to their former virulence. (References for this are available.)

Please note also that whilst the included viruses, bacteria etc against which the vaccine is supposed to protect are claimed to be in "very small doses", the quantities are quite high enough for the diseases to occur, as they can do quite severely, occasionally even leading to death (e.g. deaths reported recently in the Lancet from yellow fever contracted from that vaccine). Indeed a susceptible person can succumb to infection when exposed to only a minute dose (particularly when directly injected), while a sufficiently healthy person will not succumb even when exposed, naturally that is, to an enormous dose. It is not the pathogen, but the interaction between pathogen and host that causes disease to appear (Intervirology 1993).

If the symptoms of a disease do not occur after a vaccine, it cannot be assumed that the person is not or will not be harmed by that pathogen. Most disease symptoms are actually the visible signs of the body's effort to defend itself against the pathogen, and with injections, important defences are bypassed.
Bacteria and the toxins they produce:

The human blood is supposed to be, and traditionally was, sterile - no bacteria (or other organisms) present in it. That is not the case any more. Naturally this has a weakening effect on the immune system, apart from sometimes leading to severe bacterial infections.
Mycoplasma:

These are microscopic organisms lacking rigid cell walls and considered to be the smallest free-living organisms. Many are pathogenic and one species is a cause of mycoplasma pneumonia which interestingly is noted to occur "in children and young adults" (Mosby's Medical Dictionary). So, are these only in vaccines by mistake as contaminants? No, believe it or not, they are deliberately included as adjuvants, i.e. to increase the immune system's "response" to the vaccine.
Genetically modified yeast:

This is in the hepatitis B vaccine. Given the controversy over the ingestion of genetically modified foods, how much less safe, do you think, is the injection of them, particularly considering what follows below?
Foreign DNA:

This DNA is from such organisms as various animals, animal/human viruses, fungi and bacteria. It has been documented that the injecting foreign DNA can cause it or some of it to be incorporated into the recipient's DNA (see 'Immunisation' Against Diseases for Children). Remember, nature has not experienced such a direct invasion as this before, so can you be sure that it would have developed a way to protect your body against it?


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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dubiousness
Dubious compound

it is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.
A penalty for possession of a drug/plant should not be more damaging than the drug/plant itself.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #8324342 - 04/24/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Those are the three chems set to hit our supply in november.. :mad2:

They're fluoridating a water supply of which only 1% is actually drunk.
This is clearly not about teeth.


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dubiousness
Dubious compound

it is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.
A penalty for possession of a drug/plant should not be more damaging than the drug/plant itself.

Edited by JonnyDeformed (04/24/08 07:26 PM)

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