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Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water
    #8027019 - 02/15/08 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fluoride is now being recognized as very dangerous. There is no longer any reasonable doubt that drinking it is a bad idea. In November 2006 the American Dental Association reversed itself and said that the ingestion of fluoride is too dangerous for babies. There are several other fluoride risks, too, including that it is carcinogenic.

However, most information that we have been able to find is clear in the opinion that fluoride causes health problems through ingestion, not through showering or bathing. These sources say that fluoride, unlike chlorine, is not released into the water and air as a gas. It travels through water as part of a metallic compound, and doesn't release into the air like chlorine. The people who sell activated alumina for water filters, and the manufacturer, both firmly believe that fluoride is not absorbed through the skin by showering or bathing.

However, we have heard from customers who report that bathing or showering causes them serious health problems. And we have found one informed source who reports that fluoride in showering and bathing causes many serious health issues. We continue to research this issue, and will continue to update the website as we learn more.

Please however, be very careful about claims that you can get a whole-house system at a cost in the hundreds of dollars that will remove fluoride and last for a couple of years. This simply isn't true. It costs a great deal to remove fluoride from the whole house. Call us if you would like to discuss this. Water filter systems that seem cheap compared to others are cheap because they won't do the job over time.

There are no shower or bath filters that remove fluoride. It's very hard to remove and there is not sufficient time that the water is in contact with the filter media to remove fluoride.

There is a more affordable solution if you feel you need to remove fluoride from your bath water - and that is to have a plumber insert a fluoride-removing filter by putting it into your bathroom plumbing line.

http://www.friendsofwater.com/Shower_Filters.html

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8027243 - 02/15/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water, when even the USDA agrees it's dangerous?


http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/fluoride.htm

Provided by: Kraig and Shirley Carroll

Controversial fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl Fluoride).

Sodium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. It’s historically been quite expensive to properly dispose of, until some aluminum industries with an overabundance of the stuff sold the public on the terrifically insane but highly profitable idea of buying it at a 20,000% markup, injecting in into our water supplies, and then DRINKING it.

Yes, 20,000% markup: Fluoride – intended only for human consumption by people under 14 years of age – is injected into our drinking water supply at approx. 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink ½ of one percent of the total water supply, the rest literally goes down the drain as a free hazardous-waste disposal for the chemical industry, where we PAY them so that we can flush their expensive hazardous waste down our toilets. How many salesman dream of such a deal? (Follow the money.)

Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a causative factor in Alzheimer’s Disease, and evidence points towards fluoride’s strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to "trick" the blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing chemical access to brain tissue.

Scientists who have attempted to blow the whistle on this mega-bucks PR ploy have consistently been given a very unscientific Black-PR treatment, and thus their valid points disputing the current vested interests never arrive in the press. Follow the money to find the control. In 1952 the slick PR campaign which ramrodded the concept of fluoridation through via our Public Health departments and various dental organizations was likened to a highly-emotional "beer-salesman’s convention" instead of the objective scientific experiment which it should properly have been. It’s continued in that vein right up to present time. To illustrate the emotional vs. the scientific nature of this issue, just look at the response given by people (perhaps yourself included?) when the subject of fluoridation comes up. Ask yourself, "Is this response EMOTIONAL BLUSTER, or is it UNBIASED AND OPENLY - INTERESTED OBJECTIVITY?" There is a tremendous amount of emotional, highly unscientific know-it-all! attached to fluoridation. Many truly independent (unattached to any vested-interest) scientists who’ve spent a large portion of their lives studying and working with this subject have been subjected to a surprising amount of uncalled-for and unfair character assassination from strong vested-interest groups who profit from the public’s ignorance as well as from their illnesses. (Follow the money.)

Do you have diabetes or kidney disease? There are reportedly more than 11 million Americans with diabetes. Since many diabetics drink more liquids than other people, then according to the Physicians Desk Reference these 11 million Americans probably shouldn’t drink fluoridated water, because in doing so, they’ll receive an excessive dose of fluoride.

Kidney disease, by definition, lowers the efficiency of the kidneys, which is your main route of fluoride elimination. – So those people with kidney disease also shouldn’t drink fluoridated water. Cases are on record (Annapolis, Maryland, 1979) where kidney patients on dialysis machines died, due to fluoride overdose in the city water supply. Let’s begin at the beginning:

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany’s Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride’s supposed effect on children’s teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff." In the 1930's , Hitler and the German Nazi’s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place...

Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children’s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world...

I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years’ research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine – any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." Charles E. Perkins, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

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Quoting Einsein’s nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner ( a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952:

"It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the ‘next’ on the agenda of the water poisoners.

There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless ‘intellectual’ parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic – from within if they can, according to their plan – for their own possession. The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.

Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration...

As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don’t do it.

"Even in the small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ...Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God’s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it. Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting ‘dental health,’ fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a "health" plan? What’s behind it? That any so-called "doctors" would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity. No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin’s Last Will and Hitler’s Mein Kampf: "America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within."...

Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats...

Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity – treason!" DR. E. H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.

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Earliest available Russian fluoride evidence:

"I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member of the Communist Party and the Young Communist League, from May 2, 1936, to October 9, 1939. During this period of time, I operated under the alias of John Keats with number 18-B-2. My testimony before the Government is in Volume 9 of the Un-American Activities Report for 1939.

While a member of the Communist Party, I attended Communist training schools in New York and Wisconsin...and we were trained in the revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. Government. ...We discussed quite thoroughly the fluoridation of water supplies and how we were using it in Russia as a tranquilizer in the prison camps. The leaders of our school felt that if it could be induced into the American water supply, it would bring about a spirit of lethargy in the nation, where it could keep the general public docile during a steady encroachment of Communism. We also discussed the fact that keeping a store of deadly fluoride near the water reservoir would be advantageous during the time of the revolution, as it would give us opportunity to dump this poison into the water supply and either kill off the populace or threaten them with liquidation, so that they would surrender to obtain fresh water.

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Related Research:

The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben by Joseph Borkin (out of print book search)

Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride by Bernard Meyer Wagner

Fluoridation: The Great Dilemma by George L. Waldbott

Fluoride the Aging Factor: How to Recognize and Avoid the Devastating Effects of Fluoride by John, Dr. Yiamouyiannis

Scientific Knowledge in Controversy: The Social Dynamics of the Fluoridation Debate by Brian Martin

Medical Mafia by Guylaine Lanctot

Racketeering in Medicine by James P. Carter

The Cure for All Diseases by Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark

Censured for Curing Cancer: The American Experience of Dr. Max Gerson by S.J. Haught

And special thanks to Kraig and Shirley Carroll in the hills of SE Kentucky. http://www.thehavens.com / thehavens@highland.net 606-376-3363


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8029511 - 02/15/08 10:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Controversial fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl Fluoride).




I'm against water fluoridation as a matter of consumer choice, and unknown consequences, but the above statement is fucking ridiculous.

Floride is not a basic ingredient in either, and while fluorine is an element in those compounds, this means nothing.


Hydrogen and oxygen are also in both those compounds, oh no! These are the only "ingredients" in water!!

Lets stop adding water to water... for the children

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8029876 - 02/16/08 01:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

i am against fluoridation as well. i refuse to drink tap water.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: LeftyBurnz] * 1
    #8030170 - 02/16/08 05:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am totally against fluoridation and try to minimise my fluoride intake. However the anti-fluoridation lobby has been infiltrated by conspiracy loonies and madmen, and some of the shit they come up with provides plentiful ammunition for the pro-fluoridists
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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8030512 - 02/16/08 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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JTB22 said:
we have found one informed source who reports that fluoride in showering and bathing causes many serious health issues. We continue to research this issue, and will continue to update the website as we learn more.



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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8030535 - 02/16/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Taking showers is a health risk, according to research presented last week in a meeting of the American Chemical Society. Showers — and to a lesser extent baths — lead to a greater exposure to toxic chemicals contained in water supplies than does drinking water. The chemicals evaporate out of the water and are inhaled.

New Scientist, 18 September 1986, Ian Anderson

A Professor of Water Chemistry at the University of Pittsburgh claims that exposure to vaporized chemicals in the water supplies through showering, bathing, and inhalation is 100 times greater than through drinking the water.

The Nader Report, Troubled Waters on Tap, Center for Study of Responsive Law

[consuming water by drinking it] may not constitute the sole or even primary route of exposure.

American Journal of-Public Health, Dr. Halina Brown

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8030694 - 02/16/08 10:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: ZippoZ]
    #8032266 - 02/16/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hey guys

One more tidbit of info would be to recognize that Aluminun industries main By-product is a flouride compound or flouride itself, i dont remember which one. Meaning that it is one a by-product they either have to pay someone dispose of it which would cause a serious amount of money to outflow from their profits.

By alluminum industry, recognize that there is actually one alluminum company in Canada and USA, which owns most of the alluminum mines in the world.

I dont care much to do any research right now, but when i realize that there is profits involved, the truth about what most likely is going on, directs my logic towards distrust for the companies.


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Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #8032618 - 02/16/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i heard james arthur say that flouride is like a magnet to the human pineal gland. Anyone know the studies that may have concluded that? I would love to read it.

Im not saying its true, or trying to spread bad info, im merely stating that James Arthur did say it on an interview that you can find on you tube...maybe coast to coast am with noorey or bell.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #8032878 - 02/16/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i know that the nazis fed it to their concentration camp prisoners as a way to make them lethargic and unwilling to fight back. :shrug:


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8034799 - 02/17/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

whose awesome idea was it to make fluoride in everyone's tap water? why not give them that choice, and just give everyone some normal, natural stuff?

I mean, yeah its good for your teeth, but it isn't up to anyone what my teeth look like but me. Screw off dental association.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Drewwyann]
    #8035474 - 02/17/08 09:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Drewwyann said:
I mean, yeah its good for your teeth, but it isn't up to anyone what my teeth look like but me. Screw off dental association.




A lot of people claim it's even bad for your teeth! It's just such a gradual poison they can get away with saying anything about it and continue to poison us.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8036520 - 02/18/08 02:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ehh, no, it's good for your teeth


but putting an unnecessary substance into water isn't cool

I don't know if its really bad for you or not, but these things are always on a spectrum, who knows if the low levels are enough to effect you in ways other than your bones/teeth

it all comes down to govenrment/society knowing best, and I don't care for that even if its a pragmatic choice

at least you aren't forced to consume the water. I don't know what people who object to it do though, other than bottled water.

I'd imagine your water would suck being distilled if you went that route

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: johnm214]
    #8036523 - 02/18/08 02:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

its good in small amounts and when NOT swallowed. whoever thought it was a good idea to put it in something you drink was an idiot.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: Drewwyann]
    #8280485 - 04/14/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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whose awesome idea was it to make fluoride in everyone's tap water? why not give them that choice, and just give everyone some normal, natural stuff?

I mean, yeah its good for your teeth, but it isn't up to anyone what my teeth look like but me. Screw off dental association.




Read The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson

if you really want to know who.

two world wars and the advances in metal smelting produced huge amounts of waste fluoride.
corporations anticipated lawsuits from factory workers and farmers near factories who suffered serious effects from production and waste.
so with help from key figures in government they decided they better find a way to convince the public that toxic waste was barely harmful and in fact so good for us that we should consume it every day.

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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8280895 - 04/14/08 03:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol:

i am against fluoridation as well. i refuse to drink tap water.




And yet you're still drinking fluoridated water.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: JTB22]
    #8280925 - 04/14/08 04:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

People don't seem docile to me. They seem as violent and rebellious as ever. So i don't think fluoride is a mind control agent.

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    #8280993 - 04/14/08 05:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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People don't seem docile to me. They seem as violent and rebellious as ever. So i don't think fluoride is a mind control agent.




Drink distilled water only for a month then come back and tell me that nukka. You feel as alive and full of energy as you were as a kid.


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Re: Don't be concerned about drinking fluoridated water [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8281026 - 04/14/08 06:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ill give it a go. I saw these big tubs of water in the supermarket. They have no chemicals in them at all, not even chlorine. Its just pure water.

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