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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Veritas]
#8030787 - 02/16/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Veritas said: BTW, we do everything for "selfish" reasons.
You should change "everything" to most "most things".
If say you'd die for someone you love then that is not selfish.
I would die for my sister to live if I had to choose.
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
#8030805 - 02/16/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh god, not the same thing again. 
If you die for someone you die at the thought that they will keep on living, being happy or whatever else, and THIS thought makes you feel good. It is because of this thought that you are willing to give your life, and THIS thought feeds the self. Not that there's anything wrong with that, on the contrary it is human nature and HEALTHY.  As opposed to living with the thought that you're a martyr, which is the result of serious psychological issues.
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
#8030808 - 02/16/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Humble lurker said:
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Veritas said: BTW, we do everything for "selfish" reasons.
You should change "everything" to most "most things".
If say you'd die for someone you love then that is not selfish.
I would die for my sister to live if I had to choose.
Wrong. We do everything for selfish reason including giving up our lives for others.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
#8030851 - 02/16/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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aaah the old is there a truely an unselfish act debate 
buddhism could say that a bodhisattva is a being who is unselfish, yet the aim is for ALL to be enlightened, which includes yourself, so i dont think there really is a truely unselfish act, as we are all one, so even if your egolessly helping sumone else your still helping yourself 
as much as i dont want to admit it im with icelander on this one
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Chronic7]
#8030876 - 02/16/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's ok to be with the Ice once in awhile.
Being truly selfish is wonderful because you choose happiness and that usually means helping others. Most who are so called selfish are not really skilled at it IMO. They think serving their fear is going to bring happiness. It won't IMO but we all need to find out for ourselves even if we never learn their is a better way.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
#8030923 - 02/16/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its all about being happy, and people who are happy choose to be happy, that is so true.
This usually goes hand in hand with what you said, helping others, which is still helping yourself
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
#8031088 - 02/16/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do people want to have children?
Most people don't think about it. It is acting without consciousness. I did this, but mine have turned out as conscious adults due to late intervention on my part. They are way more aware than I was at their age. It is possible to consciously choose to procreate and do it with awareness however. Part of that awareness should be the population.
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
#8031104 - 02/16/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Being truly selfish is wonderful because you choose happiness and that usually means helping others. Most who are so called selfish are not really skilled at it IMO. They think serving their fear is going to bring happiness. It won't IMO but we all need to find out for ourselves even if we never learn their is a better way.
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
#8034917 - 02/17/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: There is ultimately no way to know for certain how a child will come out. Very,very,very few people are capable of raising emotionally/physically healthy children IMO.
All children are healthy, they've been raised by this world and since I last checked, this world is a good thing. I don't deny there are no worthless parents. I'm only saying all children have potential, generally opposed by us, by lowlife scum, by this pretty world.
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Xeny]
#8035064 - 02/17/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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IMMORTALITY.
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Xeny]
#8035779 - 02/17/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Xeny said:
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Icelander said: There is ultimately no way to know for certain how a child will come out. Very,very,very few people are capable of raising emotionally/physically healthy children IMO.
All children are healthy, they've been raised by this world and since I last checked, this world is a good thing. I don't deny there are no worthless parents. I'm only saying all children have potential, generally opposed by us, by lowlife scum, by this pretty world.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
#8037807 - 02/18/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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By the way Icelander, great signature nigz
-------------------- Ik hou van je While you're still sleeping the saints are still weepin' cause things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born. -Scatman John
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