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Droz
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I want 10 boys and 10 girls, i want to build an empire!
Join me in knighthood.
I'll be the king and you be the jester!
Peace, Droz
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Droz]
#8027368 - 02/15/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I plan on having three children; one of each!
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs



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Male, female and hermaphrodite?
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Chronic7

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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: MushroomTrip]
#8027443 - 02/15/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mainly for the ego. We have a fear of no afterlife and so want to leave behind a part of us, we want so much more of us in the world because we all think we're individually special.
Thats why some people have like 10+ children, they want so much of THEM in the world.
But its also part of an evolutionary ache for liberation to what is unspeakable. We are drawn to each other to reproduce and create, and evolve to higher consciousnesses.
SO people who have children with the right intention are not selfish, they are doing it for ALL not the ego.
Right intention in my eyes could be considered to raise a selfless being who spreads unconditional love to every being it comes into contact with for the unspeakable liberation of ALL.
But still the ego will be involved as we are egotistical beings, still evolving, if we weren't egotistical we have non human traits as we have evolved thus far aprtially for the unspeakable ache for liberation but also evolved to feed our egos.
No one without the other, otherwise we would already be liberated and would not be manifested in this form.
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NiamhNyx
I'm NOT a 'he'


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
#8027482 - 02/15/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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In my critical thinking class, the professor presented us with a logically consistent argument with the conclusion that anyone that has more than two children is essentially a murderer. It was a pretty good argument. Although I might not take it quite so far, I definitly think it's unethical and greedy. Of course, having one or two is fine, and I think I may even do it at some point. One anyways. I like to believe that I would actually be a very good mother, but it ain't happening until I'm in my 30's.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8027500 - 02/15/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not necessarily. If the parents are skillful I think they can grow their children in such a manner that (even if they don't have all the means to support them for a prolonged period) the children will learn how to take care of themselves and live an aware and happy life. As well as the other side of the coin, where parents with a single child will turn him/her into a retard. All I'm saying is that it's not a rule.
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appleorange
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I want to have my own children because I think I have amazing genes, I would be doing this world a disservice by not having children.
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deranger


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: appleorange]
#8027613 - 02/15/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i want a perfect house, a perfect car, perfect kids and a perfect wife. and a perfect box filled with perfect goodies. it's the perfect dream.
which will most likely be shattered into bits
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: appleorange]
#8027641 - 02/15/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I need someone to fetch my beer.
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Veritas

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Nah, just buy a mini-fridge & plug it in next to the recliner. You'll be set!
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Veritas]
#8027667 - 02/15/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: deranger]
#8027784 - 02/15/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said: i want a perfect house, a perfect car, perfect kids and a perfect wife. and a perfect box filled with perfect goodies. it's the perfect dream.
which will most likely be shattered into bits
then your/we're having the wrong dream 
being attached to what seems like reality is where the shattered dreams come into it, as these dreams are based on an illusion, all perceived reality is a multidimensional illusion, it is a dream.
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Icelander
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Chronic7]
#8027807 - 02/15/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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chronic777 said: Mainly for the ego. We have a fear of no afterlife and so want to leave behind a part of us, we want so much more of us in the world because we all think we're individually special.
Thats why some people have like 10+ children, they want so much of THEM in the world.
But its also part of an evolutionary ache for liberation to what is unspeakable. We are drawn to each other to reproduce and create, and evolve to higher consciousnesses.
SO people who have children with the right intention are not selfish, they are doing it for ALL not the ego.
Right intention in my eyes could be considered to raise a selfless being who spreads unconditional love to every being it comes into contact with for the unspeakable liberation of ALL.
But still the ego will be involved as we are egotistical beings, still evolving, if we weren't egotistical we have non human traits as we have evolved thus far aprtially for the unspeakable ache for liberation but also evolved to feed our egos.
No one without the other, otherwise we would already be liberated and would not be manifested in this form.
Quite the cosmic post.
We are drawn to each other to reproduce and create, and evolve to higher consciousnesses.
Please explain, with some evidence, how we reproduce to evolve to higher consciousness.
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Chronic7

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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
#8027879 - 02/15/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok to understand i need to say i beleive the whole purpose of intelligent life is beings that have the ability to liberate themselves to the unspeakable, it is impossible to have proof of this and always will be, thats why faith is the cornerstone of every religeon because god/the source/tao/nirvana can never ever be explained, only understood through experience.
So then i see that evolution has alot to do with this as we have to evolve & survive to become intelligent life capable of self liberation....so if we all stopped reproducing, so then all died then there would be no human consciousness.
And its just obvious, to me anyway, that consciousness evolves along with us.
So we need to keep reproducin, to keep evolving, to higher forms consciousnes, all the while working closer and closer to unspeakable eternal liberation.
You may think damn this dudes lost it, hes on some cosmic hippy crap, but all i wish for you and all including myself is this unspeakable enlightenment as i realise that is all there is, through direct experience.
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Don't Breed!
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If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist? Would a man rather have so much sympathy with the coming generation, as to spare it the burden of existence? Or at any rate not take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood. ~Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Sufferings of the World 1851
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Icelander
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Chronic7]
#8027933 - 02/15/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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And its just obvious, to me anyway, that consciousness evolves along with us.
Really? How interesting. Would you say our consciousness has evolved since, lets say, the time of the earliest recorded human history?
By the way faith is a good reason to go on religious crusades and kill heathens. Faith doesn't have to be based on any real rationality. One can have faith in any kind of non-sense and put it forth without any real evidence at all, nothing more than the words "I believe". Somehow many folk here believe that when they say those two holy words it somehow becomes true.
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Visionary Tools



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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
#8028281 - 02/15/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Humble lurker said: our planet is over populated
Proof please! Proof that's not from a pro eugenics/genocide think tank that gets off on killing people.
And as to why people want their own children, as opposed to adoption, is that selfish desire to see your lineage spread. If you want to fight countless generations of successful genetic programming, that you wouldn't be here without, then go for it.
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Middleman

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I've had dreams about things that happened to my Dad before I was born.
Those who don't have kids are left out of the collective genetic experiential memory database.
I'm waiting till I'm over 40 though...
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Middleman]
#8028317 - 02/15/08 05:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How did you dream before you were born?
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Middleman

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Everything is 'dream' actually.
But I meant we dream things that happened to our ancestors before they reproduced.
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