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InvisibleHumble lurker
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Reasons for having children
    #8026441 - 02/15/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people want to have children?

Considering that our planet is over populated and theres plenty of children that need adopting/looking after then logically theres no good reason.

The only other reasons I can think of are
instinct (physical desire)
ego (mental desire)

Am I wrong?
Whats missing here?

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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8026446 - 02/15/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Humble lurker said:
Why do people want to have children?

Considering that our planet is over populated and theres plenty of children that need adopting/looking after then logically theres no good reason.

The only other reasons I can think of are
instinct (physical desire)
ego (mental desire)

Am I wrong?
Whats missing here?

:sun:




I think you are correct.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8026490 - 02/15/08 10:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The only other reasons I can think of are
instinct (physical desire)
ego (mental desire)





These are the reasons why humans do ANYTHING.  :lol:  If not for physical and mental desires, we would waste away to nothing, lying in our own filth.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Veritas]
    #8026524 - 02/15/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that one was pretty much a no-brainer.:lol: Even Kramer hates lying in his own filth.


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Edited by Icelander (02/15/08 10:18 AM)


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8026537 - 02/15/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Humble lurker said:

The only other reasons I can think of are
instinct (physical desire)
ego (mental desire)






Someone to help out on the farm?


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~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8026558 - 02/15/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That used to be a major reason for having children. Slaves. Other than that I think large families come from religious restrictions on birth control and the desire to live through and immortalize oneself using children. Also folk who can't think of what to do with their lives can keep pretty distracted for a long time with a large family.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8026587 - 02/15/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

True.

Another reason which is very common now, is accident. "We just had sex and didn't think about the implications."

So,
what do you think about people having children for these reasons?

If we agree here, which we seem to, then it means people are having children for selfish reasons?


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8026625 - 02/15/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

An "accident" is not a reason for having children, it is a reason for conceiving children. Once conception has occurred, it is possible to have an abortion or give the child up for adoption. Those who choose to keep children they conceived "accidentally" do so for the same basic reasons you've already mentioned.

BTW, we do everything for "selfish" reasons.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Veritas]
    #8026735 - 02/15/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

BTW, we do everything for "selfish" reasons.


:whoa: No, say it ain't true.   

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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Veritas]
    #8026740 - 02/15/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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BTW, we do everything for "selfish" reasons.







Not everyone likes shellfish. :nono:


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8026743 - 02/15/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Someone to help out on the farm?





And a new crop of warriors.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
    #8026747 - 02/15/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you're genetically elite it's only prudent behaviour to breed selectively and frequently in an effort to counteract the [to quote Harvey Danger] "stupid people breeding, the cretins cloning and feeding"


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: xdzt]
    #8026806 - 02/15/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

xdzt said:
If you're genetically elite it's only prudent behaviour to breed selectively and frequently in an effort to counteract the [to quote Harvey Danger] "stupid people breeding, the cretins cloning and feeding"




This is the lie that most people tell themselves. The best excuse for passing on a damaged ego.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (02/15/08 11:18 AM)


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
    #8026829 - 02/15/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
This is the lie that most people tell themselves. The best excuse for passing on a damaged ego.:thumbup:




Regardless, there must certainly be cases -- rare, admittedly -- where it's a valid argument for childbirth.


By the way, Jethro Tull ftw.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: xdzt]
    #8026856 - 02/15/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There is ultimately no way to know for certain how a child will come out. Very,very,very few people are capable of raising emotionally/physically healthy children IMO.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
    #8026882 - 02/15/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You raise a very valid point that I hadn't considered -- the old nature vs nurture.

I agree with you completely upon revision. To raise a child well one needs to be prepared for a near-total sacrifice of self while maintaining a healthy distance.

:thumbup: You've converted me. I'm gonna lobby the government for random mandatory vasectomy to help curb over-population.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: xdzt]
    #8026905 - 02/15/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Regardless, there must certainly be cases -- rare, admittedly -- where it's a valid argument for childbirth.





True. If one couple in 25 (I am being generous here) has it together physically, mentally, financially and emotionally, then 4% of couples have a valid argument for childbirth.

Duh!


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: xdzt]
    #8026934 - 02/15/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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To raise a child well one needs to be prepared for a near-total sacrifice of self while maintaining a healthy distance.





Self-sacrifice is not a great child-rearing method. It tends to create a resentful parent & an entitled child.


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: xdzt]
    #8026977 - 02/15/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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xdzt said:


:thumbup: You've converted me. I'm gonna lobby the government for random mandatory vasectomy to help curb over-population.




Five shrooms for you.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (02/15/08 11:48 AM)


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Re: Reasons for having children [Re: Icelander]
    #8027007 - 02/15/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'Blender sex' removed me from the gene pool long ago.


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