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    #8022802 - 02/14/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: 18 dead [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8022804 - 02/14/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's so fucked!  :frown:


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Re: 18 dead [Re: MOTH]
    #8022806 - 02/14/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

damn!


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Re: 18 dead [Re: Cubie]
    #8022818 - 02/14/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have alot of friends who go there and go there to party sometimes.

I really hope no one i know was hurt.


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Re: 18 shot, details emerging [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8022824 - 02/14/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Uh they now say "at least two people have been shot"

wtf

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html


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Re: 18 shot, details emerging [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8022827 - 02/14/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe nobody died


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Re: 18 shot, details emerging [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8022832 - 02/14/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they wanna get everyone watching and listening before the damn facts come out


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Re: 18 dead [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8022840 - 02/14/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Damn shame... what's even worse is that this is par for the fucking course anymore.


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Re: 18 dead [Re: BurningBeard]
    #8022937 - 02/14/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well no one i know died but this kid i met last time i was there was in the room that was shot up.

Its just so fucked up man WTF.


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Re: 18 dead [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8023040 - 02/14/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Damn, someone got a little too upset about not having a valentine. That was in no way meant to lessen the seriousness of the situation, but there may be a correlation. :shrug:


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Re: 18 dead [Re: JPMorgan]
    #8023067 - 02/14/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This shit happened like last week down in Louisiana as well. wtf? If you have a problem, don't drag the whole world down with you.


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Re: 18 dead [Re: cappincrunk]
    #8023171 - 02/14/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I go to NIU. I have a class in that lecture hall.:sad:

I can't really express how much things like this anger me.:mad2:


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Re: 18 dead [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023205 - 02/14/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:superkitty: to the rescue!


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Re: 18 dead [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8023206 - 02/14/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it seems like this school shooting trend is becoming more and more common... its pretty disgusting and I really have no idea how you would put an end to it...

anyway RIP if anyone died and good vibes to anyone who needs healing.. :heart:

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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8023211 - 02/14/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This sucks. :frown:

I want to see the gunman's medical history.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8023220 - 02/14/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

im glad im outta school!


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Cubie]
    #8023281 - 02/14/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yea its fucked up i was in a building literally 5 minutes away from the shooting and while i ate dinner i watched the cops go in and out and what not


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8023286 - 02/14/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh and cell phone towers are fuckin packed right now i cant make a call for shit

oh and someone who graduated from the same highschool as me is one of the people who took a bullet to the head

he's alive but in critical condition


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8023480 - 02/14/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yea its fucked up i was in a building literally 5 minutes away from the shooting and while i ate dinner i watched the cops go in and out and what not




Were you eating dinner in Neptune? Crazy stuff man, didn't know any other shroomerites went here.

I was walking between classes, not 200 feet away from Cole and everyone started freaking out.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023503 - 02/14/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

naw i was in my physics lab when it happened i went to neptune after and was talking to one of people working the grill and he said they saw the doors blow out and then people just started bookin it out the door. I was in faraday west so not to far away but not that close either.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8023517 - 02/14/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Shit man, Faraday was where I was headed to take an exam when the whole thing happened. Crazy stuff.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023557 - 02/14/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just what we need, another reason for gun control advocates to scream bloody murder in an attempt to take away our 2nd amendment rights. :rolleyes:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023609 - 02/14/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

guns r bad mmmmmkay


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023616 - 02/14/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think thats really think thats the biggest concern here...


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023644 - 02/14/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

obviously the health of the people shot is the biggest concern at the moment.

the next biggest concern is for colleges to allow law abiding CWL carriers to carry their concealed weapons on campus. many lives would have been saved by now, and public shootings would be much less prevalent.

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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023682 - 02/14/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dam and it was a geology class, 4 students dead it says
so sad...


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Coaster]
    #8023700 - 02/14/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

sucks.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023784 - 02/14/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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the next biggest concern is for colleges to allow law abiding CWL carriers to carry their concealed weapons on campus. many lives would have been saved by now, and public shootings would be much less prevalent.






I hear this all the time, but would it really? In this example, it was an extremely quick occurance, I'm not so sure anyone could have done something quick enough to stop it.

Also, giving a bunch of college kids guns isn't the best idea in my eyes. The more people that have a gun, the more spur of the moment stuff goes down. Someone gets drunk and angry (a common situation at college campuses, as you know) and next thing you know someones been shot in the face.

I just don't think allowing students to have guns on campus is the miracle cure that so many think it is.:shrug:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023825 - 02/14/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8023886 - 02/14/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

one thing this does show is how everyone can put shit behind them and come together. I have met more people today than i have all year...i have recieved phone calls from people i havent talked to in months...things like this really bring people together it just sucks that it has to happen this way with such tragedy.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023956 - 02/14/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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the next biggest concern is for colleges to allow law abiding CWL carriers to carry their concealed weapons on campus. many lives would have been saved by now, and public shootings would be much less prevalent.






I hear this all the time, but would it really? In this example, it was an extremely quick occurance, I'm not so sure anyone could have done something quick enough to stop it.

Also, giving a bunch of college kids guns isn't the best idea in my eyes. The more people that have a gun, the more spur of the moment stuff goes down. Someone gets drunk and angry (a common situation at college campuses, as you know) and next thing you know someones been shot in the face.

I just don't think allowing students to have guns on campus is the miracle cure that so many think it is.:shrug:




not all lives would be saved in all situations. but i guarantee you if you have a trained CWL holder with a concealed pistol in the room, and hes not the first hit with a bullet, there is a pretty good chance that he will return fire immediately, and if not immediately, he will position himself to where he can defend himself and his classmates. i am a licensed gun holder and i take it everywhere legal, and many places where i shouldnt(outside of federal buildings, airplanes and other places where they search you), and i can tell you with absolute certainty, that no matter where i am, no matter how badly hurt i am, if i can shoot and/or kill a gunmen, i would in a heartbeat. not just for myself, but those around me.

youre not seeing it the way it would be. it wouldnt be "giving a bunch of college kids" guns. it would be people who are enrolled in the college who already own and train with weapons and hold a valid CWL. obviously it is something that needs monitoring, the legal concealed holders would register with the campus police so that they know who has them and where they are.

it wouldnt mean more dumbasses with guns, it means the ones who know how to use them and would use them to save lives would be allowed to carry them into places where currently EVERYONE is vulnerable to crazed gunmen, such as Vtech and this school.

another option would be to allow CWL holding teachers carry their guns. i just read a story yesterday about a teacher in polk county florida(where i live), that taught at a college, who was FIRED because he kept his legal concealed weapon in his car. their reason for firing him even though he kept it in his personal private property??? because it "sets a bad example" :rolleyes:

youre also forgetting that many "students" are also adults. many of them responsible adults.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024015 - 02/14/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I envision a bunch of drunk idiots pulling them out at parties because "it's legal".


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8024045 - 02/14/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:

i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: PinballWizard]
    #8024061 - 02/14/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I envision a bunch of drunk idiots pulling them out at parties because "it's legal".




that would not be legal.

i never pull my gun out when i get drunk. even when provoked. its called responsibility. just like anything, if you abuse your rights, you lose them.

you going to ban college students from having drivers licenses and cars because they "probably" at one point will drive intoxicated??? thats just backwards logic.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: PinballWizard]
    #8024070 - 02/14/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

kind of ironic but they just said he was a student who had graduated previously with a sociology major....study of human behavior and he pulls that shit?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024072 - 02/14/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Man things like this make me think I need to get a handgun so I can carry it around.

It sounds like a joke but if a sitaution like this arises I will be prepared, and im a pretty good shot.

lefty im going to get that licence, and use it responsibly.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024087 - 02/14/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:

i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?




:thumbup:

aren't there short ranged taser guns that can be used from a distance. i see videos of police using them. i figured it would be a potentially non-lethal alternative, but on the other hand, i agree with your philosophy. saving a gunman's life is not priority. protecting the peace is.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8024103 - 02/14/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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kind of ironic but they just said he was a student who had graduated previously with a sociology major....study of human behavior and he pulls that shit?




probably couldnt get a job, cant pay student loans, bills and angry at society and whatnot.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8024118 - 02/14/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Man things like this make me think I need to get a handgun so I can carry it around.

It sounds like a joke but if a sitaution like this arises I will be prepared, and im a pretty good shot.

lefty im going to get that licence, and use it responsibly.




i emplore any of you that can to do so. carrying a gun can only help you in the future. unless youre mentally unstable :shrug:

the more of "us" there are out there, the less chance "they" have of killing people.


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    #8024145 - 02/14/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:

i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?




:thumbup:

aren't there short ranged taser guns that can be used from a distance. i see videos of police using them. i figured it would be a potentially non-lethal alternative, but on the other hand, i agree with your philosophy. saving a gunman's life is not priority. protecting the peace is.




exactly. im not going to try and preserve something that they tried to take from me and my fellow human beings.

and yes they have short range tazer guns, however, you get ONE shot. you miss, you die. hell probably go for you next since you tried to be the hero.

my pistol gives me 10 chances. of which no more than 2 will be needed.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024164 - 02/14/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That is bullshit unless you're within 15 feet. I do agree with you about the fact that college students should be allowed to carry their weapons onto public campuses if they have a carry and conceal license. What weapon do you carry, lefty? The laws in GA are pretty lax.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024165 - 02/14/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Meh only five dead and probably only one or two of those attractive blonde teenagers... this won't be in the news long.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #8024180 - 02/14/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so crazy I have a few friends that go there and went to a party a few weekends back in that area


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: robbyberto]
    #8024202 - 02/14/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That is bullshit unless you're within 15 feet. I do agree with you about the fact that college students should be allowed to carry their weapons onto public campuses if they have a carry and conceal license. What weapon do you carry, lefty? The laws in GA are pretty lax.




whats bullshit?

Kel-Tec P3AT .380 - thats what i carry in my pocket at almost all times. i also have a S&W sigma 9mm i keep in my car. how about you?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024233 - 02/14/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:


i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?





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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024248 - 02/14/08 07:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have a hard time believing that you only need two shots to take out a heavily armed attacker with a handgun at any appreciable distance. You would have to be a very good shot. EDIT: I sort of miss read your post, but it would still be rather difficult to take a guy out with one clip.
I would probably be carrying a .40 Smith and Wesson or a .45 1911, but I can only buy rifles and shotguns.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8024265 - 02/14/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think there's a risk with school shootings that goes beyond the obvious:
With mass media capitalizing on the shocking, tragic, sensational nature of these stories by replaying them constantly, people inadvertently begin to distort and exaggerate their actual significance. The result is natural, understandable, predictable, sometimes appropriate but often excessive to the point of being counter-productive (as when it reaches massive proportions): fear and anxiety.
Such events as today warrant close scrutiny from every reasonable angle so that we can place them in context, because without context the "best", most genuine meaning (that from which we can draw constructive ideas) is severely degraded or lost.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: robbyberto]
    #8024269 - 02/14/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have a hard time believing that you only need two shots to take out a heavily armed attacker with a handgun at any appreciable distance. You would have to be a very good shot. I would probably be carrying a .40 Smith and Wesson or a .45 1911, but I can only buy rifles and shotguns.




ive been going to the range regularly since i was 15 with my dad. shot his .22 until i was 17 then started shooting his 9mm until i was able to purchase my own at 21. i since then have bought my .380 and a .357 mag. i hve gone to the range every other weekend for the last 2 years. i also do bowling pin shoot every 3rd saturday.

believe me or not :shrug:. i am an awesome shot and i could put a bullet within 6 inches of the bullseye at 50 feet. i do it every other weekend. with all three guns.

edit: it wouldnt be hard at all. if hes less than 50 ft away then its easier than what i do on a regular basis. 1 bullet, two max. considering if im not having a good day :smirk:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024274 - 02/14/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That seems pretty far fetched, but I'll have to take your word for it. I'm a pretty poor shot so that may have swayed my opinion. I could only make shots like that consistently with a Ruger Mark III or another target pistol.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8024286 - 02/14/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: robbyberto]
    #8024293 - 02/14/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That seems pretty far fetched, but I'll have to take your word for it. I'm a pretty poor shot so that may have swayed my opinion. I could only make shots like that consistently with a Ruger Mark III or another target pistol.




go regularly for several years, it becomes nature, like driving. i have a ruger mark nice gun for a .22


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8027020 - 02/15/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080214_northern-illinois-university-shooter.pdf

THATS JUST PLAIN FUCKED UP THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS SHOULD BURN IN THE DEEPEST PITS OF HELL


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8027040 - 02/15/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

fuck it. these people are best left in the dust.. :shrug: move forward with love. :heart:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8027069 - 02/15/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080214_northern-illinois-university-shooter.pdf

THATS JUST PLAIN FUCKED UP THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS SHOULD BURN IN THE DEEPEST PITS OF HELL




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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8027075 - 02/15/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm getting bored of making the same post about America and guns every month when there's a school shooting.

Constitution > children's lives. No need to explain I get it


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8027173 - 02/15/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I went a lot over the last summer. I was getting decent, but I stopped shooting when school started. It's been a few months since I've gone shooting.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8027552 - 02/15/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080214_northern-illinois-university-shooter.pdf

THATS JUST PLAIN FUCKED UP THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS SHOULD BURN IN THE DEEPEST PITS OF HELL




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    #8027683 - 02/15/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm getting bored of making the same post about America and guns every month when there's a school shooting.

Constitution > children's lives.  No need to explain I get it



I hope you arnt being sarcastic.

Do you seriously think if guns were banned criminals could not get them.:rofl:  They would be the only ones with guns. And yes Constitution>childrens lives.


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    #8027858 - 02/15/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I hope you arnt being sarcastic.

Do you seriously think if guns were banned criminals could not get them.:rofl:  They would be the only ones with guns. And yes Constitution>childrens lives.




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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8028553 - 02/15/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm getting bored of making the same post about America and guns every month when there's a school shooting.

Constitution > children's lives.  No need to explain I get it



I hope you arnt being sarcastic.

Do you seriously think if guns were banned criminals could not get them.:rofl:  They would be the only ones with guns. And yes Constitution>childrens lives.




i personally know 2 people that i could get black market guns from right now. theyre all over the place. criminals will always have guns. and even if you destroyed every gun and banned guns from being made, they would still be there. with average machinist skills and probably even below average, you could make one yourself. :shrug:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8028590 - 02/15/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Very true. I could go out and get an unregistered automatic weapon right now. New laws wouldn't change that.


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    #8028639 - 02/15/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Very true. I could go out and get an unregistered automatic weapon right now. New laws wouldn't change that.




no sir they wouldnt. if two decent americans such as ourselves have access to black market weapons, just how many hardened criminals do you think can? more than our governments could dream of stopping.

sadly enough, if they ever take away our 2nd amendment rights, i will be a criminal, because there is no way i am giving up guns.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8028693 - 02/15/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Rest in peace to the fallen -

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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: robbyberto]
    #8028805 - 02/15/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Gun law debates are weird. I see positives and negatives from both sides.

If you ban/destroy guns completely:
Criminals will still have guns but they won't be able to get them as easily. Those responsible gun carriers wont be able to carry to protect themselves. Less lethal but still lethal home-made weapons will be produced for protection/criminal acts.

If responsible carriers are trusted to carry:
Those in need of being saved from a gun toting ass hole are more likely to receive help worth receiving. Criminals can grab boxes of guns off the back of trucks, off trains and use/sell them for criminal reasons.

Personally, I would go for no/destruction of guns. Unfortunately responsible carriers (including police) are afraid to give up their guns. These responsible carriers also fail to see how easy it is for a responsible carrier to become an irresponsible carrier. Whether its "This mother fucker stole twenty bucks from me", "This ass hole fucked my girlfriend", or some misunderstood words from one drunk to another a responsible gun carrier is capable of pulling that trigger in the heat of the moment for a very bad/no reason.

Those who do carry responsibly are afraid of the blood shed that might ensue from illegalization, which is feasible. But by keeping guns legal its just prolonging the steady trickle of blood that is occurring. People don't realize it may take more that one or two generations for the effects of illegalization to take effect. We should be concerned about future generations rather than the here and now. We may die by our own devices but our children's children wont. And when that crazy psychopath that wants to kill 25 people can't cause hes not capable of making a weapon to take out that many people before that many people can take him out decides against his plan to kill 25 people then the positives of illigalization will be present, but probably unnoticed.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Idiot]
    #8028839 - 02/15/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Criminalizing private gun ownership is not going to stop criminals from getting guns. It wouldn't even slow them down. People don't pull guns very often over petty things. Doing so will result in a felony charge. That argument is pretty worthless. Criminalization will only stop responsible and recreational shooters from using firearms. Seriously, if a crazy wants to get a gun, nothing is going to stop him. He could simply get on the internet, buy a disabled automatic WW2 weapon, and if he has some machining skills or knows someone who does he will have an unregistered automatic weapon. No laws will hinder that process. Taking away any freedom we still have left is a step in the wrong direction.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Idiot]
    #8028845 - 02/15/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

most illegal guns come from outside of the country. the flow wont slow until the border is airtight. which it never will be. there will always be crazy fucks willing to risk everything to run shit through the desert/forest/coast to make some money. :shrug:


and i cannot argue the fact that some responsible carriers become irresponsible carriers. good people do turn around and murder people and etc. but you cant take everyones rights away because of a few.

more people are killed because of DUI and hit and run every year than guns ever have and ever will kill. are we going to ban cars?

responsibility lies in the hands of the person, we dont need the government taking away our rights(unless rightfully so after a crime is committed) any more than they already have.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8028940 - 02/15/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

To tell you the truth, if a vote to criminalize guns were to come up, I probably wouldn't vote. I'm kind of on a teetering point on this issue.

When you talk about DUI hit & runs you're talking about unintentional killings mostly. Most shootings are premeditated; most DUI hit & runners are trying to get home not trying to kill.

I'm not saying that criminalization will bring an immediate end to firearm related crimes. It might even bring a rise in them, for a while, but as more and more guns are found and removed from circulation fewer and fewer crimes will be committed.

I'm not up to date on the latest firearms statistics in Europe but it seems that they do very well without them. Killing must be more difficult without firearms.

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Those who do carry responsibly are afraid of the blood shed that might ensue from illegalization, which is feasible. But by keeping guns legal its just prolonging the steady trickle of blood that is occurring. People don't realize it may take more that one or two generations for the effects of illegalization to take effect. We should be concerned about future generations rather than the here and now. We may die by our own devices but our children's children wont. And when that crazy psychopath that wants to kill 25 people can't cause hes not capable of making a weapon to take out that many people before that many people can take him out decides against his plan to kill 25 people then the positives of illigalization will be present, but probably unnoticed.




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    #8028958 - 02/15/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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To tell you the truth, if a vote to criminalize guns were to come up, I probably wouldn't vote. I'm kind of on a teetering point on this issue.

When you talk about DUI hit & runs you're talking about unintentional killings mostly. Most shootings are premeditated; most DUI hit & runners are trying to get home not trying to kill.

I'm not saying that criminalization will bring an immediate end to firearm related crimes. It might even bring a rise in them, for a while, but as more and more guns are found and removed from circulation fewer and fewer crimes will be committed.

I'm not up to date on the latest firearms statistics in Europe but it seems that they do very well without them. Killing must be more difficult without firearms.



Because bats, fists, knifes, brass knuckles, and various other blunt objects won't work well enough? Regular people will just kill each other differently. Different means to the same end. Criminals will still be shooting themselves.


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    #8028968 - 02/15/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

.....I'm not saying criminalization will remove the ability to kill, but it will in fact prevent one from killing 25 people in one sitting. People will always kill people, but people can't keep going around killing everyone.


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    #8028976 - 02/15/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why would it prevent that from happening? It's not difficult to acquire illegal weapons. From handguns to machine pistols to assault rifles, they can all be found illicitly fairly easily. Why would any legislation change that?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8029013 - 02/15/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i read that this was the 4th school school in one week. 

could it be the recession?  :confused:


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    #8029042 - 02/15/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: robbyberto]
    #8029066 - 02/15/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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People don't realize it may take more that one or two generations for the effects of illegalization to take effect. We should be concerned about future generations rather than the here and now. We may die by our own devices but our children's children wont.




Just like its taking more than ten years to remove the two dollar bill from circulation it will take a long time to remove guns from black markets and markets. It just needs a beginning, a first step, something to start preventing these mass killings.


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    #8029071 - 02/15/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'll say this and only this about the guns issue, because i usually am too high to give a shit about anything -

Prohibition takes guns away from everyone but the criminals. If you want to impose legislation that would eliminate all firearms from the united states period, then your living on pluto.

Everyone should have the ability to carry a firearm at all times. If all of the kids in the lecture hall had concealed pistols, the gunman would probably be the only one dead.

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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Idiot]
    #8029074 - 02/15/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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To tell you the truth, if a vote to criminalize guns were to come up, I probably wouldn't vote. I'm kind of on a teetering point on this issue.

When you talk about DUI hit & runs you're talking about unintentional killings mostly. Most shootings are premeditated; most DUI hit & runners are trying to get home not trying to kill.

I'm not saying that criminalization will bring an immediate end to firearm related crimes. It might even bring a rise in them, for a while, but as more and more guns are found and removed from circulation fewer and fewer crimes will be committed.

I'm not up to date on the latest firearms statistics in Europe but it seems that they do very well without them. Killing must be more difficult without firearms.

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Those who do carry responsibly are afraid of the blood shed that might ensue from illegalization, which is feasible. But by keeping guns legal its just prolonging the steady trickle of blood that is occurring. People don't realize it may take more that one or two generations for the effects of illegalization to take effect. We should be concerned about future generations rather than the here and now. We may die by our own devices but our children's children wont. And when that crazy psychopath that wants to kill 25 people can't cause hes not capable of making a weapon to take out that many people before that many people can take him out decides against his plan to kill 25 people then the positives of illigalization will be present, but probably unnoticed.







doesnt matter if dui and hit and run manslaughter is premeditated or not, the fact is, they made the concious decision to get into the vehicle and drive knowing they should not. might as well be premeditated, everyone knows what can and does happen when you drive drunk.

last i heard gun crime hasnt changed much since they were banned in britain. they have the same problem we do over here, the guns are being trafficked in under the radar from other countries. its like digging a hole at the beach, you can pull as much sand out as you want, but more is just going to fill the void.

i simply cannot agree with the argument that illegalization will fix the problem, because once again, it all boils back down to the individual. if a man or woman has their intentions set on murdering someone it doesnt matter what they have to do it, they will do it. take away their guns, theyll use knives, take away their knives theyll use sticks, take away those and theyll resort to rocks. there are thousands upon thousands of day to day items that can be used for murder. are we going to start banning them all?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Idiot]
    #8029079 - 02/15/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you only support freedoms that you approve of? You will never stop the black market. It's too profitable. Making guns illegal will only make the them more valuable on the black market. This same concept applies to illegal drugs.


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    #8029091 - 02/15/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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.....I'm not saying criminalization will remove the ability to kill, but it will in fact prevent one from killing 25 people in one sitting. People will always kill people, but people can't keep going around killing everyone.




i could rig up an air powered nail gun right now to the point that the nails would fire more rapidly and with 3-4 times the original power, hook that to a tank in a backpack and you can do close to the damage these people have done.

it is also not hard to make simple yet powerful pipe bombs.

a vehicle could take out a number of people.

there are numerous ways one could still kill many.


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    #8029097 - 02/15/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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People don't realize it may take more that one or two generations for the effects of illegalization to take effect. We should be concerned about future generations rather than the here and now. We may die by our own devices but our children's children wont.




Just like its taking more than ten years to remove the two dollar bill from circulation it will take a long time to remove guns from black markets and markets.  It just needs a beginning, a first step, something to start preventing these mass killings.




noone else in the world prints $2 american bills.

many many other people manufacture weapons in many other countries.

the drug war has worked quite well wouldnt you say?? noone does drugs anymore right? :nonono:


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    #8029098 - 02/15/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Everyone should have the ability to carry a firearm at all times. If all of the kids in the lecture hall had concealed pistols, the gunman would probably be the only one dead.




no, he would have most likely killed at least one person and probley would have wounded another. but yes, the scene wouldn't have been so bad and we wouldn't end up with someone eating our tax money in prison.

as far as guns go...wasn't there a country that outlawed guns and then the government start killing the people and the people had no way to fight back?


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    #8029112 - 02/15/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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as far as guns go...wasn't there a country that outlawed guns and then the government start killing the people and the people had no way to fight back?





hmmm........ nope cant think of any. :smirk:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8029118 - 02/15/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Like I said, killing will always happen, but mass murder in minuets shouldn't happen. This shooter didn't know everyone he shot, he just hated anything that had a beating heart. So he came up with a way to kill as many people as he could as fast as possible. These kids aren't killing out of frustration anymore, there going for the high score. We need to make it hard to even hypothesize an event like this.

Humor teaches a lot. Maybe this is the answer;
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To tell you the truth, if a vote to criminalize guns were to come up, I probably wouldn't vote. I'm kind of on a teetering point on this issue.


I'm just trying to give the other side of this debate a fighting chance.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LayYouIn]
    #8029169 - 02/15/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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as far as guns go...wasn't there a country that outlawed guns and then the government start killing the people and the people had no way to fight back?




Could be the US in a few years. Fuck the feds !!!!!


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    #8029180 - 02/15/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol ive seen that skit, funny stuff.


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    #8029186 - 02/15/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Fuck the feds !!!!!




what exactly are the feds?  fbi?  i keep hearing that the feds are saying things about the recession...:confused:


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    #8029206 - 02/15/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Feds as in any government official.

Fuck em all !


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    #8029208 - 02/15/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Feds as in any government official.

Fuck em all !


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