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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8023517 - 02/14/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Shit man, Faraday was where I was headed to take an exam when the whole thing happened. Crazy stuff.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023557 - 02/14/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just what we need, another reason for gun control advocates to scream bloody murder in an attempt to take away our 2nd amendment rights. :rolleyes:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023609 - 02/14/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

guns r bad mmmmmkay


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023616 - 02/14/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think thats really think thats the biggest concern here...


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023644 - 02/14/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

obviously the health of the people shot is the biggest concern at the moment.

the next biggest concern is for colleges to allow law abiding CWL carriers to carry their concealed weapons on campus. many lives would have been saved by now, and public shootings would be much less prevalent.

absence of protection allows killers to succeed.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023682 - 02/14/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dam and it was a geology class, 4 students dead it says
so sad...


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: Coaster]
    #8023700 - 02/14/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

sucks.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8023784 - 02/14/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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the next biggest concern is for colleges to allow law abiding CWL carriers to carry their concealed weapons on campus. many lives would have been saved by now, and public shootings would be much less prevalent.






I hear this all the time, but would it really? In this example, it was an extremely quick occurance, I'm not so sure anyone could have done something quick enough to stop it.

Also, giving a bunch of college kids guns isn't the best idea in my eyes. The more people that have a gun, the more spur of the moment stuff goes down. Someone gets drunk and angry (a common situation at college campuses, as you know) and next thing you know someones been shot in the face.

I just don't think allowing students to have guns on campus is the miracle cure that so many think it is.:shrug:


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023825 - 02/14/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8023886 - 02/14/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

one thing this does show is how everyone can put shit behind them and come together. I have met more people today than i have all year...i have recieved phone calls from people i havent talked to in months...things like this really bring people together it just sucks that it has to happen this way with such tragedy.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: wildchild68]
    #8023956 - 02/14/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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wildchild68 said:
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leftysurprise said:

the next biggest concern is for colleges to allow law abiding CWL carriers to carry their concealed weapons on campus. many lives would have been saved by now, and public shootings would be much less prevalent.






I hear this all the time, but would it really? In this example, it was an extremely quick occurance, I'm not so sure anyone could have done something quick enough to stop it.

Also, giving a bunch of college kids guns isn't the best idea in my eyes. The more people that have a gun, the more spur of the moment stuff goes down. Someone gets drunk and angry (a common situation at college campuses, as you know) and next thing you know someones been shot in the face.

I just don't think allowing students to have guns on campus is the miracle cure that so many think it is.:shrug:




not all lives would be saved in all situations. but i guarantee you if you have a trained CWL holder with a concealed pistol in the room, and hes not the first hit with a bullet, there is a pretty good chance that he will return fire immediately, and if not immediately, he will position himself to where he can defend himself and his classmates. i am a licensed gun holder and i take it everywhere legal, and many places where i shouldnt(outside of federal buildings, airplanes and other places where they search you), and i can tell you with absolute certainty, that no matter where i am, no matter how badly hurt i am, if i can shoot and/or kill a gunmen, i would in a heartbeat. not just for myself, but those around me.

youre not seeing it the way it would be. it wouldnt be "giving a bunch of college kids" guns. it would be people who are enrolled in the college who already own and train with weapons and hold a valid CWL. obviously it is something that needs monitoring, the legal concealed holders would register with the campus police so that they know who has them and where they are.

it wouldnt mean more dumbasses with guns, it means the ones who know how to use them and would use them to save lives would be allowed to carry them into places where currently EVERYONE is vulnerable to crazed gunmen, such as Vtech and this school.

another option would be to allow CWL holding teachers carry their guns. i just read a story yesterday about a teacher in polk county florida(where i live), that taught at a college, who was FIRED because he kept his legal concealed weapon in his car. their reason for firing him even though he kept it in his personal private property??? because it "sets a bad example" :rolleyes:

youre also forgetting that many "students" are also adults. many of them responsible adults.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024015 - 02/14/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I envision a bunch of drunk idiots pulling them out at parties because "it's legal".


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8024045 - 02/14/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:

i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: PinballWizard]
    #8024061 - 02/14/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I envision a bunch of drunk idiots pulling them out at parties because "it's legal".




that would not be legal.

i never pull my gun out when i get drunk. even when provoked. its called responsibility. just like anything, if you abuse your rights, you lose them.

you going to ban college students from having drivers licenses and cars because they "probably" at one point will drive intoxicated??? thats just backwards logic.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: PinballWizard]
    #8024070 - 02/14/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

kind of ironic but they just said he was a student who had graduated previously with a sociology major....study of human behavior and he pulls that shit?


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024072 - 02/14/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Man things like this make me think I need to get a handgun so I can carry it around.

It sounds like a joke but if a sitaution like this arises I will be prepared, and im a pretty good shot.

lefty im going to get that licence, and use it responsibly.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8024087 - 02/14/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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AlteredAgain said:
i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:

i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?




:thumbup:

aren't there short ranged taser guns that can be used from a distance. i see videos of police using them. i figured it would be a potentially non-lethal alternative, but on the other hand, i agree with your philosophy. saving a gunman's life is not priority. protecting the peace is.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: heartofalion]
    #8024103 - 02/14/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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kind of ironic but they just said he was a student who had graduated previously with a sociology major....study of human behavior and he pulls that shit?




probably couldnt get a job, cant pay student loans, bills and angry at society and whatnot.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8024118 - 02/14/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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awesomebastard said:
Man things like this make me think I need to get a handgun so I can carry it around.

It sounds like a joke but if a sitaution like this arises I will be prepared, and im a pretty good shot.

lefty im going to get that licence, and use it responsibly.




i emplore any of you that can to do so. carrying a gun can only help you in the future. unless youre mentally unstable :shrug:

the more of "us" there are out there, the less chance "they" have of killing people.


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Re: Several shot, details emerging [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8024145 - 02/14/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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AlteredAgain said:
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leftysurprise said:
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AlteredAgain said:
i agree. guns don't belong in schools. but i think taser guns should be allowed to be carried by anybody for their own protection.




how are you going to tase a gunman? :shrug:

i dont see why so many people cant understand that law abiding people, the ones who take the time to go about getting a gun, and training with it, then getting their CWL, are NOT the people who are going to abuse their right. they(myself included) only want to protect themselves and the people around them.

make the laws concerning getting the weapons and the licenses harder, im all for that. but dont tell responsible people that they have to go into a public place and worry about being shot to death because other people are scared of guns.

limiting responsible peoples rights concerning guns will not stop violent crime. illegal guns are all around us, and always will be. you can ban guns and they will still be there. arm the good citizens and the criminals will be less enticed to commit the same crimes. think about it, if you were a maniac with a gun, and you know of two highly populated schools in your area, one of which allowed responsible, law abiding students to carry their concealed  weapons, and the other forbid it.... which do you think you would choose to attack?




:thumbup:

aren't there short ranged taser guns that can be used from a distance. i see videos of police using them. i figured it would be a potentially non-lethal alternative, but on the other hand, i agree with your philosophy. saving a gunman's life is not priority. protecting the peace is.




exactly. im not going to try and preserve something that they tried to take from me and my fellow human beings.

and yes they have short range tazer guns, however, you get ONE shot. you miss, you die. hell probably go for you next since you tried to be the hero.

my pistol gives me 10 chances. of which no more than 2 will be needed.


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