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miracle grow spangum peat moss?
#8022680 - 02/14/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey farmers has anyone every used miracle grow spangum peat moss for casing material with success. I know that it has a bit of extras in it for plants ie fertilizer. Ive never used it before always 50/50 with verm and unfertilized spangum. will this be damaging to the myc and give a bad grow or contams. dont want to ruin my sweet ass poo boys. haven't been able to find organic peat. im thinking about using Organic potting soil instead any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: uba]
#8022722 - 02/14/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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On my first casing I used 1 part shangum peat moss to 3 parts potting soil (oops) 
It's really takin' offnow though, man. I got a pretty decent pinset and yesterday the mushrooms grew about 2 inches!!!
So, the miracle grow peat moss will work even with potting soil. I kinda think that the potting soil is giving up alot of nutrients to the myc. Good luck
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: uba]
#8022723 - 02/14/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You Don't Want NUTRITION in your casing layer....its a breeding ground for contams as contaminants/bacteria need nutrition to grow from.
And people who use MGMC=Miracle Grow Moisture Control are freaking idiots...it's the same thing as Peat Moss and Vermiculite with non needed addatives.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: uba]
#8022787 - 02/14/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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uba said: Hey farmers has anyone every used miracle grow spangum peat moss for casing material with success.
Yes. It works fine. I mix it 50/50 with verm and a little lime and crushed oyster shells.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
#8022811 - 02/14/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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more things than you know would work as a casing layer....
just not nearly as optimal as the 50/50+ tek.
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Hey, I'm just saying I made a mistake. I understand that the casing layer is for moisture, but I spray it enough as it is. So far I'm havng good results and the fruitbodies look way better than they did off cakes.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
#8022877 - 02/14/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i used it once but it has to many sticks and chunks in it for my liking.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: blood4blood]
#8022924 - 02/14/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You Don't Want NUTRITION in your casing layer....
Have you seen the results from some of the 100% coir casings? amazing pinset/fruit bodys.
My buddy still swears to coir over peat. I dont blame him, you should see his results
i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.
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So, the miracle grow peat moss will work even with potting soil. I kinda think that the potting soil is giving up alot of nutrients to the myc.
Now this statement is some bs. Peat w/o additives is much more recommended... the miracle grow stuff WILL work, if in a bind.
Lets see some pics, dill.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8022980 - 02/14/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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not to mention the price but, an 8 quart miracle grow bag is as much as a 2x2 cubic ft. bale of 100% canadian.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8023217 - 02/14/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You want to see pics... how do you upload pics?
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8023240 - 02/14/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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My buddy still swears to coir over peat. I dont blame him, you should see his results i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.
That's just moisture based and coco coir does not hold a lot of moisture as much as peat would...Peat/Verm pins better....you CAN use coco coir but in very small amounts like 50/40/10 peat/verm/coco coir but it's not advised...Here i'll show you why straight coco coir casings suck balls.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2480695/an/0/page/2
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8023251 - 02/14/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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large_dose said:
Have you seen the results from some of the 100% coir casings? amazing pinset/fruit bodys.
My buddy still swears to coir over peat. I dont blame him, you should see his results
i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.
I agree with this statement
-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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dumbfounded1600 said: That's just moisture based and coco coir does not hold a lot of moisture as much as peat would
Actually, coir holds WAY more water than peat. Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
#8023550 - 02/14/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dill705 said:
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Have you seen the results from some of the 100% coir casings? amazing pinset/fruit bodys.
My buddy still swears to coir over peat. I dont blame him, you should see his results
i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.
I agree with this statement
Ditto here. Coir as a bulk sub uncased works beautifully as well.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
#8023553 - 02/14/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dumbfounded1600 said: That's just moisture based and coco coir does not hold a lot of moisture as much as peat would
Actually, coir holds WAY more water than peat. Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?
-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
#8023675 - 02/14/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?
All methods can be great on this site, you have to learn your own way of working with them.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8023723 - 02/14/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edited by large_dose (02/14/08 06:17 PM)
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8023765 - 02/14/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the miracle grow will be fine. It does have fertilizers but these are not the nutrients that you should keep away from. Plants fertilizers have things like nitrogen in them. This isnt the stuff that the mushrooms are feeding on.
AS for coir as a casing material, using this basically turns your casing into a cake. Cubes do not need casing this is why it works.
Has anyone tried coir in their casings when growing pans or agaricus?
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8023929 - 02/14/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?
All methods can be great on this site, you have to learn your own way of working with them.
Agreed. I just find it hilarious when people make recommendations on a subject or product they have little to no experience with themselves.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
#8023949 - 02/14/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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exactly.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8024090 - 02/14/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like tahoe says...it turns into a cake...bigger mushrooms don't mean jack shit...its just moisture based...and yes I've tried it and i don't like it....why I don't like it? The Way It Pins...the way it consolidates the entire casing layer because of its nutrients...The way you can easily contaminate if your not careful...
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so say im using 100% coir casing, should i sterilzie the coir or just water it up from the brick and add spawn and incubate it
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: wocka]
#8024557 - 02/14/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Got this from a post made by a guy named Sammy, it's simple and works great:(sorry I'm lousy at giving links)
Using 5 cups of jiffy mix (already ph balanced right out of the bag)
Take 4 1/2 cups and get fully hydrated. After draining well add the other 1/2 cup mix well. Now you are at 90% hydration.
You can pasteurize however you want. Microwave works well at this point in the game.
It's easy and works!
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8024946 - 02/14/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lets see some pics, dill.
47 pins in the larger cluster

Other side

3 days later

Biggest shroom so far

Other side

What do ya think? I'm pretty happy with my results after doing cakes once. This is just 3 PF cakes crumbled and cased with 1/3 peat moss to potting soil;)
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
#8025148 - 02/14/08 11:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why 100% Coir Casing Stinks IMHO 1. It Overlays Easily. 2. It Turns Into A Huge Cake. 3. Too Many Nutrients. 4. The Problems Initiating Pinning. 5. The Texture. 6. Less Yield Then Peat/Vermiculite/Lime/Gypsum. 7. Uneven Pinning. 8. Dries Out Fast. 9. The Cost! 10. OVERLAY!!
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they do have their pros and cons.
lol.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8025351 - 02/14/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about the pics large_dose?
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
#8025370 - 02/14/08 11:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your pics look wonderful man... absolutely wonderful.
if this is your first time casing... right on 
youll learn to tweak it to what works perfect for you in time.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8025409 - 02/15/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks, that's pretty much what I was hoping to hear. After using the wrong mix, I put it into the FC a little too soon.
Then I had a nice little weekend in jail to do for MJ poss.
When I came back my GF hadn't given any FAE and all my cakes were covered in thick mycelium. 
But I'm pleased with the results and am moving onto a monotub after I get isolates from some PF tek EQ's and TC's
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
#8025423 - 02/15/08 12:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then I had a nice little weekend in jail to do for MJ poss.
ouch, no good man. dont get too many of those or you'll have a po walkin through your house regularly.
no more growin mush mush.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8025575 - 02/15/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No worries, I just moved to another county for college and haven't changed my legal address. I probably won't until my license is unrestricted, then I don't have to pay the fine early.
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dumbfounded1600 said: Why 100% Coir Casing Stinks IMHO 1. It Overlays Easily. 2. It Turns Into A Huge Cake. 3. Too Many Nutrients. 4. The Problems Initiating Pinning. 5. The Texture. 6. Less Yield Then Peat/Vermiculite/Lime/Gypsum. 7. Uneven Pinning. 8. Dries Out Fast. 9. The Cost! 10. OVERLAY!!
You've already covered what you've read about coir casings and you've already seen that people can have success with them. Stop beating a dead horse.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
#8025950 - 02/15/08 05:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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does anyone know if coir will contaminate after i add my spawn to it and incubate it for the mycelium to get to the top for a good pinset? do i need to sterilize it before that like any other substrate? doesnt coir have nutrients in it? do any of u just get the water content right and mix it together
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
#8026332 - 02/15/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dumbfounded1600 said: Why 100% Coir Casing Stinks IMHO 1. It Overlays Easily. 2. It Turns Into A Huge Cake. 3. Too Many Nutrients. 4. The Problems Initiating Pinning. 5. The Texture. 6. Less Yield Then Peat/Vermiculite/Lime/Gypsum. 7. Uneven Pinning. 8. Dries Out Fast. 9. The Cost! 10. OVERLAY!!
You've already covered what you've read about coir casings and you've already seen that people can have success with them. Stop beating a dead horse.
It's not a casing it's a substrate at this point
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: wocka]
#8026358 - 02/15/08 09:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wocka said: does anyone know if coir will contaminate after i add my spawn to it and incubate it for the mycelium to get to the top for a good pinset? do i need to sterilize it before that like any other substrate? doesnt coir have nutrients in it? do any of u just get the water content right and mix it together
it needs to be pasteurized. i have read some people just getting the water content right and using it, but i wouldnt. you run a huge chance of it contaminating.
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: blood4blood]
#8026459 - 02/15/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It won't contam if you use Low Magnesium NON-Dolomite Hydrated Lime
teaspoon per cup of coir
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in other words just... hydrated lime. lol
hi yield brand works great
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
#8028600 - 02/15/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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is that the same thing as concentrated lime juice in those yellow fake limes.. i got some in my fridge. just mix it up with coir or peatmoss? like with half verm
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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: wocka]
#8028607 - 02/15/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wocka said: is that the same thing as concentrated lime juice in those yellow fake limes.. i got some in my fridge. just mix it up with coir or peatmoss? like with half verm
No. Search "hydrated lime" using the search feature.
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