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miracle grow spangum peat moss?
    #8022680 - 02/14/08 04:36 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Hey farmers has anyone every used miracle grow spangum peat moss for casing material with success. I know that it has a bit of extras in it for plants ie fertilizer. Ive never used it before always 50/50 with verm and unfertilized spangum. will this be damaging to the myc and give a bad grow or contams. dont want to ruin my sweet ass poo boys. haven't been able to find organic peat. im thinking about using Organic potting soil instead any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks:rastamon:


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: uba]
    #8022722 - 02/14/08 04:52 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

On my first casing I used 1 part shangum peat moss to 3 parts potting soil (oops) :tongue2:

It's really takin' offnow though, man. I got a pretty decent pinset and yesterday the mushrooms grew about 2 inches!!!

So, the miracle grow peat moss will work even with potting soil. I kinda think that the potting soil is giving up alot of nutrients to the myc. Good luck:thumbup:


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: uba]
    #8022723 - 02/14/08 04:52 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

You Don't Want NUTRITION in your casing layer....its a breeding ground for contams as contaminants/bacteria need nutrition to grow from.

And people who use MGMC=Miracle Grow Moisture Control are freaking idiots...it's the same thing as Peat Moss and Vermiculite with non needed addatives.

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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: uba]
    #8022787 - 02/14/08 05:11 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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uba said:
Hey farmers has anyone every used miracle grow spangum peat moss for casing material with success.




Yes. It works fine. I mix it 50/50 with verm and a little lime and crushed oyster shells.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
    #8022811 - 02/14/08 05:18 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

more things than you know would work as a casing layer....

just not nearly as optimal as the 50/50+ tek.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8022849 - 02/14/08 05:26 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Hey, I'm just saying I made a mistake. I understand that the casing layer is for moisture, but I spray it enough as it is. So far I'm havng good results and the fruitbodies look way better than they did off cakes.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
    #8022877 - 02/14/08 05:34 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

i used it once but it has to many sticks and chunks in it for my liking.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: blood4blood]
    #8022924 - 02/14/08 05:45 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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You Don't Want NUTRITION in your casing layer....



Have you seen the results from some of the 100% coir casings?
amazing pinset/fruit bodys.

My buddy still swears to coir over peat.
I dont blame him, you should see his results

i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.

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So, the miracle grow peat moss will work even with potting soil. I kinda think that the potting soil is giving up alot of nutrients to the myc.



Now this statement is some bs.
Peat w/o additives is much more recommended...
the miracle grow stuff WILL work, if in a bind.

Lets see some pics, dill.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8022980 - 02/14/08 05:58 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

not to mention the price but, an 8 quart miracle grow bag is as much as a 2x2 cubic ft. bale of 100% canadian.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8023217 - 02/14/08 06:50 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

You want to see pics... how do you upload pics?


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8023240 - 02/14/08 06:56 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

My buddy still swears to coir over peat.
I dont blame him, you should see his results
i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.





That's just moisture based and coco coir does not hold a lot of moisture as much as peat would...Peat/Verm pins better....you CAN use coco coir but in very small amounts like 50/40/10 peat/verm/coco coir but it's not advised...Here i'll show you why straight coco coir casings suck balls.

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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8023251 - 02/14/08 06:58 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

large_dose said:

Have you seen the results from some of the 100% coir casings?
amazing pinset/fruit bodys.

My buddy still swears to coir over peat.
I dont blame him, you should see his results

i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.




I agree with this statement:thumbup:


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8023539 - 02/14/08 07:46 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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That's just moisture based and coco coir does not hold a lot of moisture as much as peat would





Actually, coir holds WAY more water than peat. Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
    #8023550 - 02/14/08 07:47 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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Have you seen the results from some of the 100% coir casings?
amazing pinset/fruit bodys.

My buddy still swears to coir over peat.
I dont blame him, you should see his results

i still buy the 100% canadian by the bale though.




I agree with this statement:thumbup:




Ditto here. Coir as a bulk sub uncased works beautifully as well.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
    #8023553 - 02/14/08 07:48 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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Quote:

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That's just moisture based and coco coir does not hold a lot of moisture as much as peat would





Actually, coir holds WAY more water than peat. Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?




:dielaughing:


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: dill705]
    #8023675 - 02/14/08 08:09 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?




All methods can be great on this site,
you have to learn your own way of working with them.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8023723 - 02/14/08 08:17 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)



Edited by large_dose (02/14/08 08:17 PM)


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8023765 - 02/14/08 08:24 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

the miracle grow will be fine. It does have fertilizers but these are not the nutrients that you should keep away from. Plants fertilizers have things like nitrogen in them. This isnt the stuff that the mushrooms are feeding on.

AS for coir as a casing material, using this basically turns your casing into a cake. Cubes do not need casing this is why it works.

Has anyone tried coir in their casings when growing pans or agaricus?


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: large_dose]
    #8023929 - 02/14/08 08:56 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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Do you have any of your OWN experience using coir or miracle grow peat as a casing, or are you living vicariously through the people whose links you keep posting up?




All methods can be great on this site,
you have to learn your own way of working with them.




Agreed. I just find it hilarious when people make recommendations on a subject or product they have little to no experience with themselves.


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Re: miracle grow spangum peat moss? [Re: FooMan]
    #8023949 - 02/14/08 08:59 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

exactly.


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