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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: creekfreek]
    #8022455 - 02/14/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

DO* family, especially DOM and DOB. I believe there are some very potent 2C's like 2C-T-7 or 2C-TFM that would fit onto a blotter, but finding them in blotter form is probably extremely rare or unheard of.

I've seen 5-Meo-Dmt in geltab form so theoretically it would fall into the category of being able to fit onto a blotter. Good stuff.

Also, I doubt it was PCP, but there is a possibility. The visuals you get from PCP are not at all anything like psychedelics, more like a high dose of DXM if you've been there. Lots of periferal movement, animals walking in the distance, auditory. It sucks.

That bromo-dragonfly stuff, I think they also call it Bromo-mescaline would be DOB. To me, the visuals are very similar to LSD, it's just the body load and duration that are different.


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: creekfreek]
    #8022478 - 02/14/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I could be wrong but I think you get a kind of metallic visuals from PCP.
If I am wrong about this please forgive me.




I took a couple puffs off of a "mummy" at a party that I didn't know was a mummy (what they call a joint dipped in PCP around here) and started getting these disturbing visuals, very much like DXM and Ketamine. Seems like all the dissociatives have the same sort of visual effect on me. I saw ducks walking around that looked very undefined and almost ghost-like, tattoos on peoples faces, plad patterns on plain walls, that was about it, but the "buzz" was horrible. No more pcp for me.


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8022692 - 02/14/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That bromo-dragonfly stuff, I think they also call it Bromo-mescaline would be DOB. To me, the visuals are very similar to LSD, it's just the body load and duration that are different.




Not true.

Bromodragonfly is a benzodifuran, specifically 1-(8-bromobenzo[1,2-b;4,5-b']difuran-4-yl) -2-aminopropane.

DOB is an amphetamine, 4-Bromo-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine. If someone called a thing "bromo-mescaline", my first thought would be that it was 2C-B, though I'm sure the name gets applied to DOB too.




I've heard of 2C-B-FLY, though I don't know if that's 2C-B or the dragonfly stuff.

I know I was thinking of something else concerning -the Bromo-Dragofly, and it's not DOB, but Bromo-mescaline is most certainly a street name for DOB, along with "STP". Bear in mind, DOB is a susbtituted amphetamine, but it IS a phenethylamine, which I am sure is what the "bromo-mescaline" is in reference to.


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: enesi]
    #8022769 - 02/14/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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there are lsd analoges that would fit on a blotter, such as pro lad




Yes, but wouldn't those be extremely similar in effect and duration to LSD? Not necessarily identical, but similar to the point where most people would not be able to differentiate?


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8023509 - 02/14/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I've heard of 2C-B-FLY, though I don't know if that's 2C-B or the dragonfly stuff.




2C-B-FLY refers to bromo-dragonfly.  I suppose I was overstressing the difference between it and DOB. It is a phenethylamine while DOX is an amphetamine.  They are both brominated at the 4 position and have alkyl oxygens at the same positions on the ring.  The difference is that 2CB-FLY has an extra carbon hooking each alkyl oxygen back to the benzene, forming a furan ring on either side.

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I know I was thinking of something else concerning -the Bromo-Dragofly, and it's not DOB, but Bromo-mescaline is most certainly a street name for DOB, along with "STP". Bear in mind, DOB is a susbtituted amphetamine, but it IS a phenethylamine, which I am sure is what the "bromo-mescaline" is in reference to.




I don't doubt that people may be selling DOX these days calling it STP, but STP has traditionally referred to DOM.  Shulgin relates the story in PiHKAL when he found out that one of his creations was being sold on the psychedelic black market when he'd only ever mentioned it at one random lecture.  His theory was someone in the audience followed up on the lead.  I think someone may have snuck a peek in his notebook. :shrug:

I am aware that amphetamines are phenethylamines substituated with a methyl group at the alpha position.  And while I mentally classify them in the same family based on similar structure, I use the term amphetamine exclusively to refer to phenylisopropylamines, and I use the term phenethylamines exclusively to refer to phenethylamines which do not have a methyl group at the alpha carbon.  I find this a helpful nomenclature, since practically all amphetamines share a certain degree of edginess or body load that not all phenethylamines have. I'm not saying phenethylamines can't have a body load, but it's nice that people can accurately associate amphetamine = body load.




What exactly constitutes as a body load? MDA has quite the opposite of a "body buzz" than say methamphetamine, sometimes none at all.

I understand where you're coming from though, the nomenclature can be confusing at time, especially since phenethylamines are all over the map.

What I really don't like is when people call DXM or Ketamine a psychedelic, if in my vicinity, they are promptly corrected.


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: doitagain]
    #8023535 - 02/14/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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a friend of mine sold me a blotter of what was supposed to be LSD, a few days after we both dropped the blotters and had a pretty awesome time my friend called me back and said that the guy who sold to him called him and said that what he actually sold him was 2c-i. I can't really compare it to LSD because thats the only thing i've tried that was supposedly lsd.

I wouldn't think that 2c-i could be blotterable but my friend told me when he later scored some real lsd that the 2c-i blotters were much thicker than the lsd blotters so who knows.

After trying 2c-b i wouldn't be surprised if this was a related chemical because the CEVs i experienced with both were very similar.




To a novice, most of the 2C compounds would be indistinguishable from LSD. For me, the main difference is that 2C's tend to induce more euphoria and a body buzz, and back when I smoked, I would often smoke while on 2C's but I could NEVER smoke on real LSD, it was almost impossible.

Now I find it easier with my experience to distinguish LSD visuals and duration etc. with the more common 2C's, the best way to describe the difference for me would be that LSD's OEV's are more intricate and detail oriented, at least that has been my experience.


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