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Entropymancer


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
#8022576 - 02/14/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seraph in Blue said: That bromo-dragonfly stuff, I think they also call it Bromo-mescaline would be DOB. To me, the visuals are very similar to LSD, it's just the body load and duration that are different.
Not true.
Bromodragonfly is a benzodifuran, specifically 1-(8-bromobenzo[1,2-b;4,5-b']difuran-4-yl) -2-aminopropane.
DOB is an amphetamine, 4-Bromo-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine. If someone called a thing "bromo-mescaline", my first thought would be that it was 2C-B, though I'm sure the name gets applied to DOB too.
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Entropymancer


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
#8022908 - 02/14/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seraph in Blue said: I've heard of 2C-B-FLY, though I don't know if that's 2C-B or the dragonfly stuff.
2C-B-FLY refers to bromo-dragonfly. I suppose I was overstressing the difference between it and DOB. It is a phenethylamine while DOX is an amphetamine. They are both brominated at the 4 position and have alkyl oxygens at the same positions on the ring. The difference is that 2CB-FLY has an extra carbon hooking each alkyl oxygen back to the benzene, forming a furan ring on either side.
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Seraph in Blue said: I know I was thinking of something else concerning -the Bromo-Dragofly, and it's not DOB, but Bromo-mescaline is most certainly a street name for DOB, along with "STP". Bear in mind, DOB is a susbtituted amphetamine, but it IS a phenethylamine, which I am sure is what the "bromo-mescaline" is in reference to.
I don't doubt that people may be selling DOX these days calling it STP, but STP has traditionally referred to DOM. Shulgin relates the story in PiHKAL when he found out that one of his creations was being sold on the psychedelic black market when he'd only ever mentioned it at one random lecture. His theory was someone in the audience followed up on the lead. I think someone may have snuck a peek in his notebook. 
I am aware that amphetamines are phenethylamines substituated with a methyl group at the alpha position. And while I mentally classify them in the same family based on similar structure, I use the term amphetamine exclusively to refer to phenylisopropylamines, and I use the term phenethylamines exclusively to refer to phenethylamines which do not have a methyl group at the alpha carbon. I find this a helpful nomenclature, since practically all amphetamines share a certain degree of edginess or body load that not all phenethylamines have. I'm not saying phenethylamines can't have a body load, but it's nice that people can accurately associate amphetamine = body load.
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Entropymancer


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Re: What chemicals can fit on a blotter? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8023038 - 02/14/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oops.
Turns out 2C-B-FLY and bromo-dragonfly are different compounds.
Bromo-dragonfly is the amphetamine, 2C-B-FLY is the phenethylamine.
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