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Offlineanthony034
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To coffee or not to coffee
    #8021889 - 02/14/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i'm starting to spawn some monotubs today. i'm using coir as a substrate, and i'm more interested in this crops dry weight than it's potency.

will the added nitrogen affect the fruiting characteristics of my spawn at all? or only the potency of my yield? i intend to use some hydrated lime, and hopefully gypsum in my sub. if the coffee is going to complicate things alot, and it wont help the weight, i would rather not use it. advice please?

also the gypsum i have found is putty form in the drywall section at home depot, if i dry this out can i powder and use?


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: anthony034]
    #8021951 - 02/14/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

coffee won't complicate things, just make sure they're spent and dried.
skip the hydrated lime, use it for your casing layer
i'm not sure about the putty gypsum, but you should be able to find some garden gypsum pellets in a local nursery, and it works wonders.

also, potency is related more to genetics than to nutrients


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: fish42]
    #8022753 - 02/14/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: hazey]
    #8022807 - 02/14/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Heck yes MAN !

It's like, ......... "I'm going to feed the baby some carrots ..... should I feed her some peas too ???"

Spent coffee grounds .... heck yes ..... you might throw in some vermiculite .... say 5 to 10% for texture and moisture retention ..... some compost .... some aged manure ..... balance that diet !


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: uncle_rico]
    #8022865 - 02/14/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i add 1 filters worth per 1/2 brick of coir. i just spawned some rye to that ratio 4 days ago and the mycelium is ripping through it. id post a pic but i dont like opening my tubs till i have to and the plexiglass is all fogged over.


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: blood4blood]
    #8023031 - 02/14/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Coir/coffee grounds work just as good as straw/hpoo in my opinion.


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: HybridprX]
    #8024351 - 02/14/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i ended up using 1 1/2 cups of coffee, about a cup of dehydrated lime, some gypsum, a brick of coir, and 7 qts of koh sumi. now incubating. thanks for the help.


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: anthony034]
    #8024527 - 02/14/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thats alot of spawn vs. sub ratio


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: blood4blood]
    #8024715 - 02/14/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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thats alot of spawn vs. sub ratio




still enough to give a slight boost. though i do think thats a waste of spawn..


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: hazey]
    #8025371 - 02/14/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the bricks are about 9 qts a piece. not the 12qt bricks. i figured with the coffe it was about a 1:3 ratio (my spawn is all g2g transfers full nearly to the top)

i will be spawning 6 qts of an isolated strand of puerto rican which flushes out amazingly tomorrow, idealy how much coir/coffee/lime should i use with that?

and the day after tomorrow, i will spawn 13 qts of puerto rican from MSI
i was going to go 13 quarts of spawn, 9 quarts coir 2 quarts coffee, any reccomendations?


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: anthony034]
    #8025425 - 02/15/08 12:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would go 13 quarts coir and 5-9 quarts spawn


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #8025900 - 02/15/08 04:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I would go 13 quarts coir and 5-9 quarts spawn




thats still around a 1:2 ratio. you dontthink thats a waste of spawn?


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: blood4blood]
    #8026286 - 02/15/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i can't really knock it cause i never tried it... but i mean common why use coffee? its kind of expensive and couldn't you just buy a 50lb bag of poo for like 5 dollars versus 2 lbs coffee for 5 dollars


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8026331 - 02/15/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nobody buys coffee for substrate. You either get it free from starbucks, Dennys, IHOP, etc., or you use your own leftover grounds.

Don't lime substrates, and if you used a whole cup of hydrated lime in that small substrate, you'll be lucky if it ever colonizes. Why would you use lime in a substrate? Mushroom mycelium prefers acidic conditions of around 6 to 6.5 pH. Your pH is going to be up around 10 now with all that lime.
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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8026371 - 02/15/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

can you do a bulk with it?... i guess im a newb when it comes to coffee....


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8026554 - 02/15/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i followed MM bulk tek for the most part. in that tek he reccomends adding some lime/gypsum to the substrate. i tested the ph of the substrate, it was in the low 8's.


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: anthony034]
    #8026723 - 02/15/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

any links? searched but couldn't find any success stories


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8026733 - 02/15/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok nevermind found it


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8026757 - 02/15/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

is a ph of 8 acceptable for the substrate i'm really hoping i didnt totally fuck up, i figured with the coffee grounds the substrate would become much more acidic than it's original 6.0ph so i added a little extra lime to buffer a bit. i ended up with a ph around 8.5 before pasturizing.

i use jiffy mix as a casing layer, is there anything i need to do to it aside from pasturizing, before casing?


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: anthony034]
    #8026895 - 02/15/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

maybe u should think of some different procedures next time. is this like an experiment or are you actually expecting to get shrooms off of this? not flaming you but this is not the way u should go about doing this.....


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: anthony034]
    #8026901 - 02/15/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

a ph of 8 is perfect.


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: blood4blood]
    #8030778 - 02/16/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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I would go 13 quarts coir and 5-9 quarts spawn




thats still around a 1:2 ratio. you dontthink thats a waste of spawn?





kinda i use a 1:5 ratio but if you have more why not?

it's awesome when it colonizes completely in 5 days lol.


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Re: To coffee or not to coffee [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #8032317 - 02/16/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

this isn't an experiment, just a very rushed first time bulk. i thought i did the proper research, but i definitely made a few mistakes. the good news however is that all of my tubs appear to be colonizing with amazing speed. now 3 days from the initial spawn.

next time will be better.

who can tell me the proper way to case these? i use jiffy mix, should i still add a bit of lime, and pasteurize? i was going to just get the casing to the correct moisture content and just pressure cook it for about 30 minutes.


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~Coffee Question~ [Re: fish42]
    #8083263 - 02/28/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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coffee won't complicate things, just make sure they're spent and dried.




~I don't think I've read about having them dried....If I am picking up a big bag of the spent grounds down at the coffee shop do I need to DRY this before it is pc'ed? Am I missing something here? ~Pixie~


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