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InvisibleVisualLearner
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Does life have significance?
    #8021863 - 02/14/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Simple, Does life have significance? If you answered 'yes' please explain howso. I don't believe so, espessically now since my father is dead and I got this STD....no past, no future...for me at least. Anyways your thoughts and you get 5:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2: from me!

Definition of significance:
Noun
Singular
significance
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significances


significance (plural significances)

the extent to which something matters; importance
As a juror your opinion is of great significance for the outcome trial.
meaning

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Extent to which something matters;):thumbup:
Does life have significance?
You may choose only one


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8021876 - 02/14/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. :frown:

Life has whatever significance you are willing to find in it. I hope that you will find something to care about.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8021879 - 02/14/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think human life has the same significance as any life. No more or no less.

I think your life matters and has significance to you and that's enough don't you think?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Icelander]
    #8021883 - 02/14/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe but I dont think there is any type of after life so why even worrie about the here and now as ram dass would put it. Anyway I dont wanna miss what everyone else has to say so I would rather not debate on it right away:sad:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8021949 - 02/14/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there is nothing to worry about the here and now. it's already here, it's already now. :mushroom2:

i think the significance of life is always relative to what you are observing. for example i find very little significance in myself compared to the astronomical reaches of space, but feel a deep meaning and importance when i look at myself here and now as a human being, interacting with other beings who look just like me.

so it depends where you're standing and how far you choose to look at the horizon. i believe that we create our own significance in life. it's not an exclusive thing that can be determined apart from the experience.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8022009 - 02/14/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No not really...

"Time does not exist; merely the illusion of memories exist" _Seeichi Kirima(sp)


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Raven0us]
    #8022059 - 02/14/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes. What about our advances? Besides the fact that we a destroying earth right now, we have created a technology, and I want to think that we're on our way to a collective consciousness. Think about what we are doing right now; the internet and this forum; all of this information is floating about in hyper space or whatever... we created this alternative reality that is just a pool of knowledge.. you never know, it could be analogous to our minds. so i do think we have some importance in this universe. but hey, maybe it's just me being naive?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022188 - 02/14/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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VisualLearner said:
Maybe but I dont think there is any type of after life so why even worrie about the here and now as ram dass would put it. Anyway I dont wanna miss what everyone else has to say so I would rather not debate on it right away:sad:




Who said anything about worry? That's no way to enjoy your limited time here. Try and have a laugh or two, that's all. Enjoy the temporariness of it. And so we die; that's a really really good thing IMO.

What you are dealing with here IMO is death anxiety.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Icelander]
    #8022234 - 02/14/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:rimshot:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022339 - 02/14/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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VisualLearner said:
Maybe but I dont think there is any type of after life so why even worrie about the here and now as ram dass would put it. Anyway I dont wanna miss what everyone else has to say so I would rather not debate on it right away:sad:




Ok, so let's suppose for a second that there is an after life.
And let's say that you live your life because you know you will have an after life, and then the after life becomes the purpose of this life.
Fast forward a few years or decades and you die and... there you are, in the after life. Now what? :lol: Will you live your after life better and happier than you live this life?
I've learned that as long as I am unable to enjoy the current reality, everything else is illusion and never happens. Let's say I am now unhappy but I live at the thought that in the future I will have some things happen to me that will make me happy. And I keep waiting and waiting and here's how time goes by and I am still miserable. :lol:
What you (and anyone else) could do instead of that is to actually start acknowledging what you have in the present moment, all the opportunities to grow and experience life at it's fullest, no matter the circumstance. Any experience is just as valuable as the other, what differs is the interpretations we give them. And we can always change them in a way that serves us best. :yesnod:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8022388 - 02/14/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Any experience is just as valuable as the other, what differs is the interpretations we give them. And we can always change them in a way that serves us best.
So how should I start to interpretate things? I mean I cant have sex cause of what I caught, so no kids, and my dad is gone so how do I interpretate these type of things, i guess is my real question?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022405 - 02/14/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022408 - 02/14/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You can have sex with yourself. You don't need kids to be happy, that's for sure. Every door that closes on your life opens another one if you will just become unaddicted to having life go any certain way. Each and every person must face this to some degree. The doors that open can become far better than the ones that close. And since we die in the end not any of it matters as far as we know, so you can even become detached from anything working out like you planned and just go with the flow, that's the warriors way.

"Every path is only a path. They lead into the bush and out of the bush. And in the end all the paths meet, and the only thing of any importance was, did this path have a heart." -Don Juan


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Icelander]
    #8022414 - 02/14/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:mad2:Just not satisfying enough IMO


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022424 - 02/14/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Then you will reap the rewards of that belief. Life doesn't care if you don't like the way it works.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022484 - 02/14/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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VisualLearner said:
Any experience is just as valuable as the other, what differs is the interpretations we give them. And we can always change them in a way that serves us best.
So how should I start to interpretate things? I mean I cant have sex cause of what I caught, so no kids, and my dad is gone so how do I interpretate these type of things, i guess is my real question?




You stop taking them personal.
I think that's the first real and important step that you could take.
As soon as you realize that you're not the only one in this situation and that live goes on.
It might seem unimportant, but as long as you don't become aware of its deepest meaning, you will consider yourself a victim. And as long as you do that you will also behave like one.
Now tell me, did ever see a happy victim? :strokebeard:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8022495 - 02/14/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:smirk:no


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Icelander]
    #8022509 - 02/14/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

my opinion is it ultimately has no significance. on a superficial lever though it does, its fun at times, intense, horrifying, beautiful, ect. these experiences mean something to me now on some level, but only because i give them meaning, they are insignificant ultimately.

the other side of the coin would be if life never were, that would have no significance, and so i fail to see how life could be significant. there may be two sides of a coin, but there's only one coin. either life is, or it isn't. it matters not. if life were to end tomarrow, then life today would be entirely insignificant today, as well as tomarrow. if it continues forever, it is also of no consequence. it just is as it is.

follow? i feel its getting harder and harder for me to accurately communicate my understandings and ideas. how about instead of continuing to try to explain i'll just vote no, life is insignificant


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8022550 - 02/14/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i feel its getting harder and harder for me to accurately communicate my understandings and ideas.




This could be because you're confusing your thoughts with someone else's thoughts in my opinion.
Life is meaningless in the end (BTW which of them?) for some and full of meaning for others.
For instance you can throw the atomic bomb and this action will make a difference not only for many of the living creatures inhabiting this planet, but for the planet itself... even though it might not matter for this universe and its immensity. Not even for out solar system.
But the sun dying would make a difference for the entire solar system.
So from whose perspective are you talking?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8022555 - 02/14/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The fact that you asked this question is proof of life having significance.

It must mean something if you are gonna acknowledge and think about it. :rasta:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022627 - 02/14/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was at a point once where it didn't.
I was so disappointed with the things that I was learning about what I thought was truth that I became infatuated with ego death and the death/rebirth experience.
Anything to erase what I thought was the problem.
Me.
Or this ego.
Or this mind.
I was after the void.
Something beyond my own learned behavior.
And something learned that would bring me closer to understanding this new reality that I was uncovering.
Ego death feels like you are dying.
It gives us in this lifetime a chance to really play with this threshold.
What else in life could be of such interest??
Death.  Raaaaa.:box:

Those experiences have since brought me closer to a state that is easily amazed by this experience of now.

I think the significance is that it what it is.  That its even happening.

I think the development of the range of human emotion is very significant.  It gives rise to a wide range of human experience, again somewhat significant however seemingly simplistic.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: appleorange]
    #8022647 - 02/14/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I answered "some"

The main significance i see is that life is designed only to survive and reproduce. We neglect this significance of survival much these days by abusing our bodies, over hunting/fishing, polluting.

But i am, of course, a hypocrite. I smoke about 3-4 packs a week, eat fish and red meat, and pollute like everyone else. Nihilism is a disease, and the disease's catalyst is life being rather easy. We've got people killing themselves in developed countries, and impoverished and war-torn people doing all the can against the odds to survive in less fortunate countries.

"Why survive then?" you may ask. Because it seems the only thing worth doing, extinction seems less significant.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8022861 - 02/14/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

In and of itself, no. Nothing in the world has any meaning.

Meaning is what we find or create for ourselves. Meaning cannot be imposed from outside. What you find meaningful others will find meaningless, and vice versa. And none of us is wrong in that belief.

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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: appleorange]
    #8023474 - 02/14/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well the answers to me came quite simply. first off no one can guarantee an afterlife of any kind.our lives only have signifigance while we are alive. now some people can be convinced otherwise probably related to a paranormal expierience or just by looking at all the syncronicities in life as cause to believe in whatever afterlife that person chooses. these people we call believers have it easy.if you are a true believer then what do you really have to worry about? pain? suffering? these things would fade away if I was guaranteed an afterlife of my choosing.

now that would be nice but not everyone is so fortunate. you obviously havent been convinced. and neither have I. not yet anyways. now that is called hope. you can have hope and still not believe. then again mayube we should pitty people who think they have it figured out. what would you have to be uncertain of? how far could your imagination go. things here would seem less beautiful if we knew for sure what happens in death. maybe we were never meant to know.

all I know is that to be happy you have to stand up and make it happen. you take that shit that you have holding you back from being fullfilled in life and you crush it. you have to be fiercely dedicated to enjoy this life sometimes.

so knowing only for certain that we have what we have while we have it then one can conclude what to do and how to make choices and proceed. the question is do you want to be miserable while you are alive or do you want to do something about it?

postscript - it helps me to be greatful by thinking of how so many people have it so much worse than I do. yet they still carry on. it is quite inspiring. actually now that i wrote that down its bullshit. people mainly carry on because they are afraid of there being no afterlife. FUCK. we are living in constant fear of the unknown. i think the outlining of what i said is still in tact though. do you want to be happy or not? if so than you can be. you have to admit that it is at least possible right?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: appleorange]
    #8023615 - 02/14/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't understand the "No, this is a dream" options.

Who's to say that dreams have no significance?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #8023648 - 02/14/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ToxicMan said:Meaning is what we find or create for ourselves.




indeed, we are the creators of significance.

if you want to satisfy yourself and bring positive meaning to your life, put yourself in places open for new opportunity to rise... and who knows, anything could happen. sometimes the things we are surrounded with in our current situation pose as barriers for positive change and growth to occur. it would be hard to deal with an std and death of a father, but you can move through it if you try hard enough and practise realizing the many layers of acceptance. letting yourself drown in negative thought loops will just make it harder for positive change in the long run. it takes a decision now. good luck!


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: deranger]
    #8024529 - 02/14/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's subjective therefore there is no real answer just each individual's perception. There fore I would say no, and give no reason whatsoever, but still post about it anyway so that others know my views.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8024545 - 02/14/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Often I have felt so good and happy that I said out loud to myself "I could die right now with no regrets"... so yes.. life has a gigantic significance to me because I'm lucky that I get to feel this untangible thing called love.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8025026 - 02/14/08 10:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i feel its getting harder and harder for me to accurately communicate my understandings and ideas.




This could be because you're confusing your thoughts with someone else's thoughts in my opinion.
Life is meaningless in the end (BTW which of them?) for some and full of meaning for others.
For instance you can throw the atomic bomb and this action will make a difference not only for many of the living creatures inhabiting this planet, but for the planet itself... even though it might not matter for this universe and its immensity. Not even for out solar system.
But the sun dying would make a difference for the entire solar system.
So from whose perspective are you talking?


to be honest i think it has more to do with indifference than anything else. im feeling less and less motivated to even atempt communication. its rare that i feel there is something worth saying. even in my personal life this is so. im watching my personality melt. my freinds probably think im losing it. truth is iv lost it. im more empty than ever, but more calm and centered.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8026451 - 02/15/08 09:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

sounds like a good thing


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8027076 - 02/15/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Archemetis said:to be honest i think it has more to do with indifference than anything else. im feeling less and less motivated to even atempt communication. its rare that i feel there is something worth saying. even in my personal life this is so. im watching my personality melt. my freinds probably think im losing it. truth is iv lost it. im more empty than ever, but more calm and centered.




damn, you sound just like me... it's a strange thing, but it sure as hell feels good at times.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: chodamunky]
    #8027144 - 02/15/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Often I have felt so good and happy that I said out loud to myself "I could die right now with no regrets"...




One day about 13 years ago, I was with my Dad on the east coast of Florida in a little town called Vero Beach. It was early November and 90 degrees - unseasonably warm even for Florida!

The sky was clear and the sun was sparkling and the beach was littered with bikini babes.

My dad and I were body-surfing and as we came out of one particularly nice ride, I was so high on the perfect day that I turned to him and said, "This would be as good a day as any to die."

A short while later, I stepped on a sharp object and my toe started to bleed. I was walking back to our blanket when waves of pain like I have never felt swept over me. Apparently, I had stepped on a sting-ray spike. My body went into severe muscular contractions along with an agony I never knew possible for over six hours. My head swelled up like Jerry Lewis. ARRRGGGGGGGHHHHH! I could not help screaming.

Naturally, I survived, but have never said that again. :nono:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8027158 - 02/15/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why didn't your father take you to the ER?


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Veritas]
    #8027192 - 02/15/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Why didn't your father take you to the ER?




Because his stu_ _ _ son thought it was a good day to die and dad wanted to honor his wish.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Veritas]
    #8027201 - 02/15/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We checked in with the lifeguards. They see people that get stung all summer. They said there was nothing to be done unless I went into anaphylactic shock. My reaction was extraordinary.


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    #8027206 - 02/15/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My reaction was extraordinary.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Icelander]
    #8027260 - 02/15/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Everything about me is extraordinary. :yesnod:


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8027283 - 02/15/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So I've heard.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Icelander]
    #8027305 - 02/15/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't say 'fab-u-loussss'.


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    #8027334 - 02/15/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know if life has significance or not, but if you consider the very fact that we exist, and that all life naturaly pushes away death and exhibits many a survival tactic, the evidence would weigh in favor of "life having significance".

We aren't in a position to declare whether life has significance or not in objective terms, but we may speculate as we so please. But do consider the evidence for significance, and that includes emotions (that curve our existance). I think this is why we have to always create a better tomorrow, so that some ass-hats don't destroy us all and deprive us of the true essence of life. We might not know what it is, but that musn't block us off from our imagination and the very fact that we have come to this point in reality. That is enough reason for me to believe that there is significance, and that we should care and embrace all.

I think it's simple; The significance of life is to create your own significance.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8028682 - 02/15/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think some of you people may be falling into a negative nhilistic pithole. Now I consider myself a nhilist, after all It's the gurilla ideology always on the attack while you have no ideology to defend, but the reality is that I still hold faith in the common good and acting for the good of the commons. This holds my actions to some sort of standard and keeps me from harming others and myself a lot of the time. The fact is that this is a part of my self concept and holds coheasion to the structure of my life, without it I would have no way to distract myself from negative thoughts that could lead to harming others or myself. When you can stop and ask yourself "where does this lead?" or "what does this get me?" you can hold yourself to those things you would like to achieve.

You know I don't have much money or many college/university qualifications, but I am a smart self educated man, and when I do take one of these courses I hold myself to a higher standard than the rest of the class. Doing this required myself to apply the above logic to achieve what I wanted to, I was not soft on myself I held myself hard to practice what I preached and ask hard questions of myself.

Though while doing this I went through a phase of ego death it sounds like you people are experiencing, but I used it to my advantage and came out of it destroying my compulsion I had built up to control my self through obligation of guilt and now I act by obligation of constructive desire.

Though my drunken alter ego may have suffered for it, I think it may be that I just don't stop when I should anymore.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8028810 - 02/15/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I think some of you people may be falling into a negative nhilistic pithole. Now I consider myself a nhilist, after all It's the gurilla ideology always on the attack while you have no ideology to defend, but the reality is that I still hold faith in the common good and acting for the good of the commons. This holds my actions to some sort of standard and keeps me from harming others and myself a lot of the time. The fact is that this is a part of my self concept and holds coheasion to the structure of my life, without it I would have no way to distract myself from negative thoughts that could lead to harming others or myself. When you can stop and ask yourself "where does this lead?" or "what does this get me?" you can hold yourself to those things you would like to achieve.

You know I don't have much money or many college/university qualifications, but I am a smart self educated man, and when I do take one of these courses I hold myself to a higher standard than the rest of the class. Doing this required myself to apply the above logic to achieve what I wanted to, I was not soft on myself I held myself hard to practice what I preached and ask hard questions of myself.

Though while doing this I went through a phase of ego death it sounds like you people are experiencing, but I used it to my advantage and came out of it destroying my compulsion I had built up to control my self through obligation of guilt and now I act by obligation of constructive desire.

Though my drunken alter ego may have suffered for it, I think it may be that I just don't stop when I should anymore.


these are good thoughts. in the end i still find myself trusting in the purity of the flow, and acting for the common good as well. i couldnt imagine existance if it were any other way.


we're learning....we'll get there.


the void can be our savior in so far as it is the slayer of illusions, though its a double edged sword, for our dreams also disapear. and this is the way of the mystic....the dreamless dreamer, who carries the passionless passion on the pathless path. but i still dont know why.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8028908 - 02/15/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's not a half hearted thing I am speaking of. Make your goal to forge your constitution from Iron. Come to terms with the fact that you are just one person, all the world is a stage and we may play many parts but we are still just one actor. If you are experiencing an Ego death depression caused from malnutrition is commonly a cause. Ironically mushrooms carry the usual candidate (vitamin b12) in spades. Make sure you eat the non-hallucinogenic kind more often and boil them to soften their fibrous tissue that your stomach acids will not otherwise penetrate.

Now that I think about it Grinding your mushies up and consuming them in a mildly heated hot chocolate or coffee is likely the best way to get the psyllocibin and ect out and thus a higher high. Funny the things you can stumble upon while contemplating life.


Btw my emo-gauge says I'm drunk but I'm just buzzing.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8028924 - 02/15/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Btw my emo-gauge says I'm drunk but I'm just buzzing.


aye, aye as well


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: Archemetis]
    #8029238 - 02/15/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

anyone have the problem that they are going to change their emotion on the forum, but can't find one that they feel fits their emotional state?

the real philosophical question is do our emoticons have any significance?


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8030642 - 02/16/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think some of you people may be falling into a negative nhilistic pithole. Now I consider myself a nhilist, after all It's the gurilla ideology always on the attack while you have no ideology to defend, but the reality is that I still hold faith in the common good and acting for the good of the commons. This holds my actions to some sort of standard and keeps me from harming others and myself a lot of the time. The fact is that this is a part of my self concept and holds coheasion to the structure of my life, without it I would have no way to distract myself from negative thoughts that could lead to harming others or myself. When you can stop and ask yourself "where does this lead?" or "what does this get me?" you can hold yourself to those things you would like to achieve.

You know I don't have much money or many college/university qualifications, but I am a smart self educated man, and when I do take one of these courses I hold myself to a higher standard than the rest of the class. Doing this required myself to apply the above logic to achieve what I wanted to, I was not soft on myself I held myself hard to practice what I preached and ask hard questions of myself.

Though while doing this I went through a phase of ego death it sounds like you people are experiencing, but I used it to my advantage and came out of it destroying my compulsion I had built up to control my self through obligation of guilt and now I act by obligation of constructive desire.

Though my drunken alter ego may have suffered for it, I think it may be that I just don't stop when I should anymore.




Right on:thumbup: Nihilism rocks.


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Re: Does life have significance? [Re: VisualLearner]
    #8033641 - 02/17/08 03:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As I see, everything existing has significance and meaning.


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