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OfflineRainman420
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Everything is harmony
    #8020509 - 02/13/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have come to the conclusion that life and existence is sprung from an underlying harmony in the cosmos. Everything in the universe is harmonic in the way we look at it. For example, Music is a harmonic structure, each note is harmonically used in context with each other note. If you take this basic Idea and look at the spectrum of light, it is the same idea, Each color is harmonic with each other color, it is how you use the colors together though that makes the beauty of it. And beauty is just a human experience. So based on this theory one can say that the universe is harmonic in its structure. The stars, planets, galaxies, everything. Is this profound? Or is this an obvious perception? What do you guys think?


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The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Rainman420]
    #8020535 - 02/14/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

everything has to be in harmony for us to exist the way we do...


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Rainman420]
    #8020675 - 02/14/08 12:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lambda Lambda Lambda....


>^;;^<


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8020869 - 02/14/08 01:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Duh!


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Rainman420]
    #8021113 - 02/14/08 05:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What is the difference between ultimate harmony and ultimate chaos?


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8021162 - 02/14/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Interpretation :hehehe:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8021208 - 02/14/08 07:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My point exactly.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8021301 - 02/14/08 07:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Chaos.


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8021690 - 02/14/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
What is the difference between ultimate harmony and ultimate chaos?




Not all music is harmonious. No difference then.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8022554 - 02/14/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Harmony is where patterns arise, where sense is grown.
Chaos is where patterns break and sense is lost.


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8022643 - 02/14/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Chaos is where patterns begin.
The atom is mostly random chaos and very little actual 'matter'.
There is a sea of buzzing energy intersecting everything all in between the real material of the universe.
This is chaos, no??


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8022666 - 02/14/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree completely.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8023950 - 02/14/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

backfromthedead said:
Chaos is where patterns begin.




Then in effect, chaos itself is self-organizing....    :strokebeard:


>^;;^<


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8024391 - 02/14/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've seen and heard from the big bang (main scientific explanation of the creation of the universe) that the universe was created by a net imbalance of particles that existed in the beginning and a great explosion was said to occur. For a long time the universe was too dense to see light, until one day finally this was not so and a great wave went resounding through the cosmos. I cannot remember the figure (it was a fraction of some sort like 1/3 or something), but an amount of this wave is still existing and resonating in radio and tv static. Eventually everything that still exists will be spread so thinly across the cosmos that the very existence of it will become irrelevant in the eventuality, though that is a subjective judgment after all one would be forced to ask, "irrelevant to what?". It is not a force of chaos or order (you were referring to harmony as a pattern the definition of order). It is not harmonious or erratic. It just is, that is to say it is existence, like a drop of water that ripples on a pond until one no longer sees it's effect it's force has changed the water and therefore it exists forever even though all observers will think otherwise.


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8026817 - 02/15/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Haha, maybe in chaos, there were more patterns found, but then those patterns are fluid and merely recognized purely from our brain, where they originally arose.
'More' doesn't describe the quality I meant.
Perhaps I thought of arising stableness..


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8026823 - 02/15/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's the idea.
Like it, itself is conscious or something.
Who knows??


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8026876 - 02/15/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good points ! So maybe a well balanced play of chaos and order makes out harmony..


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8027405 - 02/15/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like to see it that "chaos" on such a huge destructive scale as that which is within the universe, can only lead to harmonious creative life.

There can be no one without the other. They are both a balance/karma, what destroys, creates. Action/reaction. Opposites of the same pole.

The purpose of this destructive "chaos" is to create "harmonious" life which then can liberate itself to what is the unspeakable Tao/Nirvana/Heaven/AUM, as that is ALL THERE IS.

We are never ever separated from this, yet what appears to be our multidimensional reality keeps us from realisation & actualisation of this.

Thats what i think anyway :smile:

So yes everything is harmony, even chaos. Theres no difference.


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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: Chronic7]
    #8028735 - 02/15/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Have you ever considered that the whole way we understand everything is through using words and language. Many animals use body language, can you imagine having to understand everything people meant from their body language? So if harmony is just a word and it's definition just a collection of other words what is it that they describe? Do they describe the entirety of the Universe? Have you encapsulated everything ever that has happened or will in a small collection, or even an individual, word or words? The answer is absolutely unequivocally and even enthusiastically HELL NO! And you'd be naive to try.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Everything is harmony [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8030240 - 02/16/08 06:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That means every being who uses language is naive, as the only reason we started using language is to describe what we can never describe, like even the word water, its just a label we put on something so we know what it is, so even indescribable things like Nirvana Tao Heaven AUM etc...we will always try and describe them its just our nature, we try and pass on what we recognize through experience to others through language.


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