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appleorange
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Jazz...?
#8020462 - 02/13/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it me or does all Jazz sound exactly the same? My co-worker was playin me some jazz albums and while I liked them, I honestly could not say that one song or artist sounded any different from the next.
Maybe Jazz was made for smart people. I'm gonna go listen to Daft Punk now because that shit makes sense to me.
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im_on_a_boat
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if you think about it,
all music sounds the same.
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appleorange
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that's not true.
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im_on_a_boat
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http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1216915 this explains your quandary with more tact than i ever could.
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appleorange
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ok. i'm gonna smoke a jay and hit this thread up in the morning and see what goods it brought.
right now my conclusions are that jazz < appleorange
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Thelonious Sphere Monk FTW
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Re: Jazz...? *DELETED* [Re: appleorange]
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Re: Jazz...? [Re: Chubba]
#8020548 - 02/14/08 12:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jazz is difficult to appreciate if your not a musician. Much like classical music, jazz is extremely complex harmonically. Because of it's complexity and your average listener's lack of ear training, it is often difficult to distinguish between different aspects of the music. Take a jazz or general music appreciation/history course at your local community college.
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jazz is usually pretty intellectual music for the most part. playing jazz well involves a great deal of understanding in music theory and all that crap so it is kind of the 'musicians music' whether you like it or not does not change that.
and not all of it sounds the same. maybe all the shit your co-worker played sounded the same, but in the world of jazz there are many sub-genres and styles. i prefer some of the more simple jazz with a good solid rhythm going on. slow tempo jazz is some of my favorite as well. it's very beautiful music sometimes. the really fast, somewhat dissonant jazz with all the crazy chord progressions and more free form style is cool in small doses but after awhile it is too much and does start to sound the same imo. at the same time though i respect it and it can be fun to try and wrap your head around it.
seriously though, saying all "jazz" sounds the same is like saying all rock sounds the same whether it's the grateful dead or slayer. it's a broad generalization to say the least.
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man listen to some coltrane or davis and tell me that doesn't blow your mind....
the stuff they do is ridiculous, i can't comprehend how anyone can play like that... it seems like they breath the right notes effortlessly through the instrument...
anyway happy hunting! i'm not the biggest jazz fan but i can appreciate it when its playing
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razmablues said: man listen to some coltrane or davis and tell me that doesn't blow your mind....
Same with Thelonious Monk. That dude be craaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.
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im_on_a_boat
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listen to between the buried and me.
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drkrobotnik said: listen to between the buried and me.
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Jazz is a very broad type of music. Some types do have similar patterns and rhythms but each type is unique. Even if you think all jazz sounds similar it is a catalyst for many types of popular music and should be appreciates either way.
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yeah
you really have no idea what your tlaking about
thats likes ome one saying daft punk sounds exactly like astral projection. or any other electronic music
d and b is diff from say your happy harcorez. but you couldent tell me that.
they do sound the same
but no
they are not the same
and yes
music is all the same
you only have so much vibrations to work with.
ever heard the expression "the song remains the same"
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its funny to think... everything is off 12 notes...
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Listen to Ascension by Coltrane. Man, wow. WOW. WOOOOOOW. It's so ridiculous.
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I think free jazz and Dixieland sound quite different.
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razmablues said: its funny to think... everything is off 12 notes...
That's a purely modern western notion. For example, in the middle ages, pitches were slightly lower than they are now, and the sitar in Indian music uses all kinds of different pitches.
Although it's not my favorite style, electronica utilizes just about any frequency out there, complete with all manner of inflections.
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Re: Jazz...? [Re: Ferris]
#8021204 - 02/14/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jazz is the shit. You should look up any one that came out on "Blue Note Records" Any one that was on blue note is the shit. Thelonious monk.....arloniousmonk hehe
Jimmy Smith, Wes Montgomery, Mandrill, The 9th creation, Marlen Shaw, Gental Giant, Ronnie Laws, Melven van Peebles, Alain Goraguer... Theres plenty more that I could name.... I love jazz my man.
MADLIB and MF DOOM!!
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Irradiated_Feces said: awwwww yea
I heard "Bolero" in there, one of my favorite classical songs. Makes me want to pick up on some sophisticated latinas.
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Re: Jazz...? [Re: Ferris]
#8021596 - 02/14/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferris said:
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razmablues said: its funny to think... everything is off 12 notes...
That's a purely modern western notion. For example, in the middle ages, pitches were slightly lower than they are now, and the sitar in Indian music uses all kinds of different pitches.
Although it's not my favorite style, electronica utilizes just about any frequency out there, complete with all manner of inflections.
indeed. western music is only 12 scales of 12
but eastern music uses all sorts of sud tones and modal stuff
but still
its all part of the spectrum of vibrations your ears can capture
you can always keep sub dividing it.
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notapillow
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also dont get me wrong
daft punk makes perfect sense to me too
but counting to 4 gets old after a while
se my thread in otd about teaching kids to count with daft punk
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You think all jazz sounds the same, but Daft Punk doesn't? I mean, I like Daft Punk and all, but they don't even come close to jazz, and Daft Punk can get pretty repetitive.
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Re: Jazz...? [Re: jewunit]
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razmablues
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se my thread in otd about teaching kids to count with daft punk
that's great
my friends a huge fan but dance music just bores the hell out of me alot times... justice is another one that's getting huge
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Re: Jazz...? [Re: Ferris]
#8024820 - 02/14/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Truth, there are tons of quarter tones for each note. Although lots of music follows the same pattern of an overpowering melody, but even that statement can be proved wrong.
Edited by Headii Nugz (02/14/08 10:05 PM)
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notapillow said:
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Ferris said:
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razmablues said: its funny to think... everything is off 12 notes...
That's a purely modern western notion. For example, in the middle ages, pitches were slightly lower than they are now, and the sitar in Indian music uses all kinds of different pitches.
Although it's not my favorite style, electronica utilizes just about any frequency out there, complete with all manner of inflections.
indeed. western music is only 12 scales of 12
but eastern music uses all sorts of sud tones and modal stuff
but still
its all part of the spectrum of vibrations your ears can capture
you can always keep sub dividing it.
to infinity!
wow...you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about do you? quit trying to sound knowledgeable about this subject. i feel embarrassed for you...
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well i have studied music a lot.
miles davis "bitches brew" might be the deepest album i have ever heard. the guy had something weird going on with that album. i studied music theory in depth for a long time, but something about that album is way over my head.
i am not too much in to jazz anymore.
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JonnyOnTheSpot said:
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notapillow said:
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Ferris said:
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razmablues said: its funny to think... everything is off 12 notes...
That's a purely modern western notion. For example, in the middle ages, pitches were slightly lower than they are now, and the sitar in Indian music uses all kinds of different pitches.
Although it's not my favorite style, electronica utilizes just about any frequency out there, complete with all manner of inflections.
indeed. western music is only 12 scales of 12
but eastern music uses all sorts of sud tones and modal stuff
but still
its all part of the spectrum of vibrations your ears can capture
you can always keep sub dividing it.
to infinity!
wow...you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about do you? quit trying to sound knowledgeable about this subject. i feel embarrassed for you...
how so?
also no need to feel embarassed...ever
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GGreatOne234 said: well i have studied music a lot.
miles davis "bitches brew" might be the deepest album i have ever heard. the guy had something weird going on with that album. i studied music theory in depth for a long time, but something about that album is way over my head.
i am not too much in to jazz anymore.
i def get that
that album puts you in aplace where your just kinda like "wow....wait...huh...oh"
i dunno
its a fav tho 
tho i like kind of blue more personaly...its more cooooooooooooooool man
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miles davis "bitches brew" might be the deepest album i have ever heard. the guy had something weird going on with that album. i studied music theory in depth for a long time, but something about that album is way over my head.
Goddamn you beat me to it. I was going to use bitches brew as a perfect example as all jazz not sounding the same. Jazz purists and many of davis's fans HATE bitches brew, my dad who has met 90% of the major jazz musicians and who's jazz vinyl collection is so immense it takes up 1/2 a room, just shakes his head and says "i dont get it" in reference to that album.
But even at the basics you have so many different forms of jazz it's not even funny, to say that "take the A train" sounds like "satin doll" or "jeeps blues" is ridiculous and they're all from the same artist. Even more so saying the music benny goodman produces sounds like the music jaco pastorius produces is equally as crazy.
I've always had a passion for the music tho, i was first chair sax and lead alto in my "orchestra" and jazz band up until high school. Made districts and state music bands many years in a row, something about the music just speaks to me, its like i can see and feel what the artist was when they played that solo or wrote that tune.
So maybe my opinion is highly biased, but still, I <3 me some jazz.
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