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OfflineChemy
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State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] *DELETED*
    #8020132 - 02/13/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Chemy]
    #8020172 - 02/13/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i hate this shit people freaking out over shit they have no idea about and Crist is a douche bag


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: kupa trooper]
    #8020210 - 02/13/08 10:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

reminds me to start stocking up on salvia it wont be too long till its banned


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: kintos]
    #8020257 - 02/13/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Last year, a teenager in Delaware commited suicide after he started smoking Salvia. He left a note when he died, asking, "How can I go on living after I've learned the secrets of life?" His mother insists, "That's not him talking, that's Salvia."




Seeing as how Salvia isn't a little devil whispering into your childs ear, I'm pretty sure he knew everything, Salvia just enlightened him on the finer points of it all.

I hate it when people demonize psychedelics by blaming it on the substance.

Vehicular homocide is still just that, under the influence of something or not, but I don't see people getting off the hook becuase "the alcohol made them do it." Same with any other crime, that was just the first that came to mind.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Konryou]
    #8020294 - 02/13/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"And that's coming from the federal government"

The federal government said it so it must be true. Be good little puppets...this country is in a bad state


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: itsthedank]
    #8020743 - 02/14/08 12:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

propaganda strikes again!


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: nk pakelika]
    #8020993 - 02/14/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LSD style trip? Hah, they wish it was. If it was anything like it then I would actually still be buying Salvia.

How, in this day and age will the words "LSD style trip" still send anyone into a panic?

Oh, and I actually can't wait until they decide to schedule it and they REALLY start to see an "epidemic". The stuff will be everywhere, and affordable. I was just down in the Florida Keys and they were selling a gram of 10x for $45. :thumbdown:


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Chemy]
    #8021140 - 02/14/08 06:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hate it when these articles say that salvia's effects are exactly like LSD's. The two are hardly comparable :shake:


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Robo]
    #8021209 - 02/14/08 07:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Flood that motherfucker with calls of protest... "(813) 975-6658"
Let him know the facts, about how non-harmful salvia really is.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #8021232 - 02/14/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sadly Salvia can in fact be harmful. Any psychoactive substance can be abused and yield harmful and/or disastrous effects (hence the argument of the prohibitionists), but it can also be used safely and responsibly.

The problem is, keeping in mind that both statements are just as true as one another, is that those in power (Unfortunately for us and the rest of the free thinking world) and a vast majority of society take the position of the former statement perhaps in ignorance or fear (either/or). But hey, what are you gonna do about it, honestly? :shrug:

The only way to cure ignorance is through teaching, and sadly those said ignorant individuals (most of modern society) don't want to listen. You can't learn if you don't listen, and who's going to listen to what some "drug using hipster"(What I feel is the general image evoked in the minds of the non-psychoactive savvy culture, i.e. government) has to say about Salvia anyway?


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Robo]
    #8021236 - 02/14/08 07:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

...and the propaganda flood flows on.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Robo]
    #8021360 - 02/14/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

His bill to move salvia to schedule 1 in FL died fortunately.

I will however place a phone call to discuss whether there have been any further efforts by Senator Crist to pass legislation in regards to Salvia.

If he is intent on using the "tough on drugs" ticket to win support from his constituency perhaps he should do something about the availability of cocaine Tampa.
If you can't score some blow in Tampa... :grin:


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OfflineChemy
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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] *DELETED* [Re: MrKite1]
    #8021378 - 02/14/08 08:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Chemy]
    #8021398 - 02/14/08 08:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What they also never mention about that kid, who killed himself, is that he was diagnosed as mentally ill and depressed BEFORE he started using salvia.
Salvia didn't drive this kid over the edge, he wanted to die, and one day just decided to do it, and it sounds like he chose to rationalize it by spinning something about learning the secrets of life through salvia use.
Also, the coronor didn't attribute his death to salvia until over a year after his death after repeatedly being badgered by the dead kids mom.
I feel bad for the lady, but maybe she should be thinking about how she should have gotten some mental health care for her child instead of blaming a plant.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Chemy]
    #8021464 - 02/14/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, cocaine will always be available.
It at least is recognized and generally accepted as a problem. Most people have never heard of salvia but then that is why it works to such a sensationalistic end I suppose.

I've never spent much time in Miami but FL definitely has some good cocaine about.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: DragonChaser]
    #8021480 - 02/14/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

DragonChaser:

That kid was also on prescription meds that are associated with dramatically increased risk of suicide.

It's just a sad case of distraught parents needing a villian to blame, and salvia is the whipping boy.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: pokermush]
    #8022230 - 02/14/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Still, those shops don't actually sell drugs, right? Wrong.




Yup. They also sell cigars (Nicotine) and sex pills, therefore they do sell drugs (by the government's standards).


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: MrKite1]
    #8022407 - 02/14/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MrKite1 said:
Yeah, cocaine will always be available.
It at least is recognized and generally accepted as a problem. Most people have never heard of salvia but then that is why it works to such a sensationalistic end I suppose.

I've never spent much time in Miami but FL definitely has some good cocaine about.




I think pretty much all of South Florida is frosted with the stuff. I wish it were as easy to find Salvia.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Chemy]
    #8022600 - 02/14/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The DEA says users often confuse realities, distort objects, laugh uncontrollably and feel a sense of deep understanding.





Come on, people, do we really want our children to feel a sense of deep understanding?

:whatever:


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8022629 - 02/14/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, and I actually can't wait until they decide to schedule it and they REALLY start to see an "epidemic".




Great point!

When has prohibition ever made drugs harder to get or used less.  If history has shown anything it's that the price of drugs will go down, availability will increase, and the profit that could be had will mostly go to gangs and cartels (among others...).  Not to mention ignorance on the subject increases (though the internet is putting an end to that assuming the govt. doesn't screw that up too :mad2:).


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: RottenFruit]
    #8022953 - 02/14/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

time to stock pile salvia seeds and get ready for another prohibition


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: psycho.reactive]
    #8023500 - 02/14/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is exactly why America is falling apart. We agree with anyone who appears to be an authority. This fantastic piece of sensationalist crap is no exception. I see this and it makes me sick to think how many people bought every word of it.

Walgreens sells bottles of caffeine pills, which, if consumed in mass quantities, can result in a meth-like high!

Ugh.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: Hashishin]
    #8032426 - 02/16/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, the good Senator never bothered to return my phone calls as they promised. So I'm afraid that I have no first hand information on any continuing effort by Crist to pass legislation regarding salvia.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: RottenFruit]
    #8032926 - 02/16/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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When has prohibition ever made drugs harder to get or used less.




"American LSD usage fell sharply circa 2000, following a single major DEA operation. Because of the huge drop in LSD availability"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD#United_States

I think this is the only case where prohibition kinda worked. LSD is hard to make (if not chemically, then precursors are hard to obtain), so when someone who has the materials and know-how to kick out kilos goes down, it hurts everyone. Bad.

I have JUST been able to start finding Cid again, it goes for $10 - $25 a hit and if I want it I have to drive 45 min to get it. :nonono:

EDIT: The $10 stuff sucks too.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: HighHat]
    #8127567 - 03/10/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

That's a good point.

But if you look at the overall cycle it will reappear. But ya, due to the chemical skills required to produce it and greed taking hold it is not able to be produced as readily as something like weed, and it is cut so many times on the way to its user that it is much weaker. I unfortunately never had a chance to try the real stuff, I have had fun with the current LSD, but certainly its cause I don't have any platform of comparison other than other drugs.

I guess when it first became big it was so abundant (being produced for research in actual lab facilities) that it was not cut much and was cheap. Also that people like Leary wanted everyone to try it strong and get effected by it like he was.


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: RottenFruit]
    #8140475 - 03/13/08 07:17 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think it may be time to for me to give senator Crist another phone call.
In addition to his continued efforts to illegalize possession of salvia he is now pushing a bill which will make it unlawful to allow a public restroom to run out of toilet paper and soap.

He's bugging me almost as much as the MO senator who was pushing to regulate baking soda sales in an effort to curtail crack cocaine manufacture. :crankey:


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Re: State Senator Victor Crist wants to ride the short bus, Salvia propaganda, [FL] [Re: MrKite1]
    #8142618 - 03/13/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Fucking bullshit... fucking pretentious douchebag politicians at it again... gayyyy


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