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OfflineChubbSubb
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What do you think of this comment....
    #801833 - 08/07/02 08:51 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Everything you do is triggered by an emotion of either desire or fear.

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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #801880 - 08/07/02 09:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

i dunno about that... there are many actions you take that are acted upon by pure spontenaeity, by your instinct.
but for your support, that is basically the 'fight or flight' idea, right?

"We go through the motions of gathering the necessary information [to make a decision] in a rational way, and then, just because of a hunch, or because we are tired of thinking, or because the time has come to decide, we act." -Alan Watts

interesting.... so is the desire for beneficial results and the fear of consequences also in that comment? then it would also include the decision based on right or wrong. yeah, i do like that comment.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #801889 - 08/07/02 09:23 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Everything you do is triggered by an emotion of either desire or fear.

I think this applies to many, but not all.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #801890 - 08/07/02 09:23 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say that's a pretty fair statement for conscious actions. Granted it doesn't cover things like sleepwalking or being born.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: Hef]
    #801936 - 08/07/02 09:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me. I know that there are so many human emotions that it is hard to clump all actions in to only two catagories. I do feel that desire and fear are the two most universal emotions.
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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: Blastrid]
    #801939 - 08/07/02 09:48 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

so is the desire for beneficial results and the fear of consequences also in that comment?

Yes


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802014 - 08/07/02 10:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Not all. I believe everything you do is triggered by need.

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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: MAIA]
    #802020 - 08/07/02 10:41 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Not all. I believe everything you do is triggered by need.

I think that would fall under the desire category. You desire things that you need. Just like I desire food when I'm hungry.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802193 - 08/07/02 11:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Everything you do is triggered by an emotion of either desire or fear.

No way, Jose!



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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802194 - 08/07/02 11:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Please define "desire" and "fear".


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802290 - 08/07/02 12:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with that.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #802380 - 08/07/02 01:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

No way, Jose!

What would you change about the comment?


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802462 - 08/07/02 02:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I had a mentor that once told me, "you only know two ways to deal with your environment, fear and anger!" I of course added, "you forgot loathing!" and he smacked me on the forehead.
Point is that these emotions are in fact the way we attempt to control our world. Just watch babies when they are unhappy or trying to get attention. The paths we take as a result of knowing higher realms of conscienceness can utilize much different methods and indicates maturity in ourselves or others. I have always been impressed with people who don't get mad when something makes them angry. (Me, I just prefer blowing shit/people up.......in my mind people!) But when I get mad, I get angry and I can't think and it makes me madder, like an amplifier, it goes on and on.
I seperate "angry" from ":mad" because "mad" implies the intellectual process of interperting data into the state of being "angry" which begins with the decision to act on the decision to be mad.
Those that impress me seem to be able to cut the tie between the way they think and the way they feel, which I think is way cool. I usually end up hurting myself more than the original act or item of my discontent instead of making some type of achievement as a result or just letting go of the whole yarn.
BTW - don't think I'm yearning toward passifiism because nothing could be further from the truth. I still think some good comes from this basic instintual response but there are other ways that don't tax US as much in the process.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... *DELETED* [Re: GRTUD]
    #802492 - 08/07/02 02:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: Draig]
    #802508 - 08/07/02 02:29 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Very, very good points you made Draig. I would say i agree.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: Draig]
    #802545 - 08/07/02 02:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I would say that fear was the opposite of confidence and vice versa. Desire implies an intense "wanting" of some kind, a "longing" for something specific. Desire is a verb associated mostly with sexual contextes. FYI


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: GRTUD]
    #802649 - 08/07/02 03:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Everything you do is triggered by an emotion of either desire or fear.
I believe this statement is wrong in two ways. Desire? Some things we do we do for what we want very badly, but sometimes you could also be looking out for your well being. I think the same way with fear.
Hell, some might even be semi-controlled, how do you know?


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ]
    #802700 - 08/07/02 04:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes you could also be looking out for your well being.

Is this not a desire for well being?


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802809 - 08/07/02 05:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

if i trip over a rock and injure myself, did i desire to trip on that rock? or did i have a fear of standing?


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802837 - 08/07/02 05:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Is this not a desire for well being?
Yes it is, but what if you had to do something you didn't wan't to do but had to anyways.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #802855 - 08/07/02 05:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I will go you one further with my opinion...all actions are triggered by desire and desire only. Is fear not the desire to be safe?


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: deep_umbra]
    #802861 - 08/07/02 05:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

if i trip over a rock and injure myself, did i desire to trip on that rock? or did i have a fear of standing?

Perhaps you were walking by that rock because you desired something, and your desire lead you to not notice the rock as you were fixated on something else.

So in essence desire caused you to trip IMO.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ]
    #802893 - 08/07/02 05:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it is, but what if you had to do something you didn't wan't to do but had to anyways.

If you did not want to do something, but had to, would it be a product of fear?


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: Hef]
    #802903 - 08/07/02 05:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

if i trip over a rock and injure myself, did i desire to trip on that rock? or did i have a fear of standing?

I think this is beside the point. I am talking about conscious actions mainly.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #803430 - 08/07/02 10:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What would you change about the comment?

Well, basically I would change it from "Everything you do is triggered by an emotion of either desire or fear," to "Not everything you do is triggered by an emotion of either desire or fear."

For example, I smoke cigarettes. I in NO WAY desire to smoke cigarettes. It is the one thing I would change about myself if I could. But I smoke anyway because I am addicted.

There's TONS of other little things that are not done out of fear or desire as well. I just peeled an orange and put the peel pieces on the desk in front of me. I didn't desire to put them there; I just did. Right now I am bopping my head to some music I'm listening to. I had no conscious desire to bop my head; I just did!

Not saying it's a stupid quote or anything at all... It does fit for most things. I'm just saying it's not completely and utterly correct.


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Re: What do you think of this comment.... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #803590 - 08/08/02 12:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"You desire things that you need"

What about you need things that you desire ?
This is one of those questions that has to do with dialethics. If you look into evolutionist theories, you'll see that every stage of evolution of man (and other living things) is triggered by need, like the need for survival expressed by the dialethics feet-hands-brain: man stood in two feet because he had the need to run faster, the thumb oposed to the hand because of the need to grab things like tools and weapons, the brain developed linguistics because of the need to comunicate, live and hunt in a group, all of this because of the need man have to eat or survive, man evolves needing to adapt to the enviroment. Even if you desire something or fear something, there's no need to take any action, the action is taken if you have the need to change that state of desire or fear, thus it's subjective, it depends if you are impulsive and try to supress the desire rigth away: i'm hungry, i desire food because my body needs food to keep functioning, i'm i going to eat now ? Possibly(subjective) but i need food anyway. I'm affraid of the sandman, what then ? Do i need to take action because i'm affraid ? Do i need to be affraid ?
The cigar example is more than clear, body has a need for nicotine, that need is translated into the desire to smoke but first is the need.

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