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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8019896 - 02/13/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No one has ever asked me for id when paying with my credit card.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8019910 - 02/13/08 09:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used a similar argument to convince my friend that it was worth his time to pick up pennies found on the ground.
Now when I am with him and he picks up a penny he curses me because he doesn't want to do it, but knows that its the logical things to do.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8020013 - 02/13/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok. just for shits and giggles. i'll play Mister Boca Vista Chairman Of The Board for a moment.
Diploid, your logic is flawed, your viewing time as something that can be dissected and distributed as however one pleases.
These asian dry-cleaner people work shifts, a block of 8 hours. she is getting paid for her time being there whether she taps a pencil, fucks the mailman, or double checks a credit card.
you are approaching this as if someone is somehow losing money because of what she is doing. how the hell is she or someone losing money? If I am paying someone 2cents a second to work for me, I much rather them check a credit card than not.
If people would only devote this much attention to chaos theory and black holes we would be building hiltons on Mars by now. But nope, we gotta obsess over how helpless little asian woman can't use an adding machine or properly improve their FICO score.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: appleorange]
#8020093 - 02/13/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another point is that the woman is probably not jumping back and forth between the till and the actual cleaning work, so the time she 'saved' by not checking id would not be redirected into cleaning things more efficiently. If she's going to be on till anyways, it makes no difference. She may get through the line up faster, but this would just create a faster accumulation of backlogged clothes the other worker(s) to clean.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8020602 - 02/14/08 12:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are right, but the world doesn't always bend to logic, nor consistency.... You have to add in the politics, management, insurance liabilities, credit card liabilities, rules rules rules, etc.... Maybe McDonald's did a study like you are saying, and the logic that you have brought up was found to be sound, so that was the decision that best suited their business, for them.... 
This will all be an obsolete topic of discussion once we are all forced to get our I.D. microchips installed.... 
I have a different "lack of critical thinking" scenario.... I woke up to freezing/frozen rain on my car this morning.... I went out started my car, took the key off of the keyring, and locked the car door as I ran inside to do the morning work prep routine/ritual.... Knowing full well the whole time that I would be using my key-chain remote electronic pushbutton gizmo to unlock my car when I was to leave.... Got all set, grabbed my stuff and headed out the door.... Car was nice and toasty, as I noticed that the ice was melted off the windows as I approached it.... I pushed the button to unlock my car.... Pushed it again..... Pushed harder.... Nothing....  Car just kept humming away, me starting to get wet in the rain, and really getting that soaking feeling of reality, as it sunk in a little deeper.... I was stuck there in the "here and now", and, well, didn't have a spare KEY to get into the "there and now"....
As I found out from the Ford dealer later when I called them, the remote key-chain unlocker's signals are "unheard" by the car when the car is running.... And it is always a perfect time to get little tid bits of information like that, especially after the damage is already done.... 
Logic would say that there would be a warning on the backside of the remote.... A simple note: "This will not unlock the car when the car is running...." (even if you really really REALLY want it to) 
But hey, the 2.5 hour holdup from going to work, it could have saved my life from a different time-line of driving on the slick roads and getting into an accident.... So, I kinda~ might have won a small little lottery, and didn't even know it.... 
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8021130 - 02/14/08 06:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The real problem here is that you say in the title that it will save her money but it actually only saves time.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8021205 - 02/14/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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At what point did the cashier actually lose any money? All those hours you say she wasted she was still getting paid an hourly wage.
Or are you saying the establishment lost money? I'll bet that the 30 years of sporadic instances of ID checking has really cost them a pretty penny 
I kind of doubt you did all of this math while you were standing at the desk, and I think it's flawed.. in my experience, ID checking takes no more than 3-4 seconds.
I mean sure it's a bit frivolous but who really gives a fuck? You should have used critical thinking to conclude that hanging up your clothes where your cat couldn't sleep on them would help you to avoid spending money, thus actually enforcing the title of your thread.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: elbisivni]
#8021290 - 02/14/08 07:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't believe there was this much debate on the subject either... but I just want to say that I feel it's at least responsible to check for id. And even if they did pay thousands of dollars in wages over the years just for that simple act, that's how it is everywhere pretty much. I'm sure it's not killing the business, especially if they're busy and been around for 30 years... sounds like they know what they're doing.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8021697 - 02/14/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Guys, you're all missing my point.
Oh you had a point. If we got your fucking point then we couldn't debate now could we.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8022599 - 02/14/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahaha... in addition to my point which you guys are missing, most of you are missing that the Asian lady is the owner of the business.
Precision of formulation is v-e-r-y important to me. That's why I write very precisely. Nothing in the OP is arbitrary. That's why in the opening paragraph I made it clear that I'm talking about the owner of the business for over 30 years, not a low-wage hourly employee as some of you seem to think. But then chronic lack of careful reading is a tradition in this forum and makes for many heated debates among people who agree but don't realise it.
But alright, if you guys can't even file away the facts I'm presenting to use in weighing the opinion I'm following up with, it's no wonder you don't agree. You're not even on the same playing field I'm on.
That alone has made this thread worthwhile to me, though, and it made me smile this afternoon when I got up and read the overnight replies. Thanks for that at least; my day starts off with a grin. Yeah, I'm a lazy fuck today and slept in after too much partying last night. It's 4pm... time for BREAKFAST! I'll be back to argue some more later.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8022613 - 02/14/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha, diploid.
there's a reason why everyone in this thread disagrees with you. it's because your logic doesn't follow through.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: appleorange]
#8022631 - 02/14/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It might also have something to do with the fact that if many of you didn't even know I was talking about the owner of the business, you probably didn't read carefully enough to know what my logic is in the first place. 
OK, really.. now I'm going to find some FOOD!
I wonder if they'll ask for ID when I pay at the restaurant?
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8022713 - 02/14/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gotta love the Diploid.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8022755 - 02/14/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks diploid. i couldve spent the 10 minutes that i spent reading your thread working and making $3, as opposed to wasting my time reading this thread about somebody else wasting less time per day than we spent reading this thread.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8023033 - 02/14/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If she is the owner, how exactly are you coming up with the 5$/hour? Does it not make sense then, that she can stay however long she wants? She probably has a set amount of work she plans on accomplishing during that day, and closes up when that amount is completed. So why does it cost her more money to stay 300 seconds later in her store?
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8024463 - 02/14/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have read this thread and I agree with Diploid, you are right man. And big up to you for your patience, I would have resorted to swearing and foaming at the mouth by the 3rd time I had to repost the same shit to explain my point of view.
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: chodamunky]
#8024636 - 02/14/08 09:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: How Lack Of Critical Thinking Can Cost You Money [Re: Diploid]
#8026041 - 02/15/08 07:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Diploid said: Ahaha... in addition to my point which you guys are missing, most of you are missing that the Asian lady is the owner of the business.
Precision of formulation is v-e-r-y important to me. That's why I write very precisely. Nothing in the OP is arbitrary. That's why in the opening paragraph I made it clear that I'm talking about the owner of the business for over 30 years, not a low-wage hourly employee as some of you seem to think. But then chronic lack of careful reading is a tradition in this forum and makes for many heated debates among people who agree but don't realise it.
But alright, if you guys can't even file away the facts I'm presenting to use in weighing the opinion I'm following up with, it's no wonder you don't agree. You're not even on the same playing field I'm on.
That alone has made this thread worthwhile to me, though, and it made me smile this afternoon when I got up and read the overnight replies. Thanks for that at least; my day starts off with a grin. Yeah, I'm a lazy fuck today and slept in after too much partying last night. It's 4pm... time for BREAKFAST! I'll be back to argue some more later.
Get over it, you think people actually had enough interest in your inane rant to read it so concisely? Had your entire post presented some percentage of worth, perhaps people would have read it in it's entirety, but how often do you read in their entirety posts that are longer than a few paragraphs and clearly headed in a pointless direction?
Now you're trying to defend your ego by calling people out on one bit of info, which you deem the argument breaker.. and now it's everyone else's fault - easy fix! Your post was every bit as self-righteous and vain as a recent post of mine, which didn't receive nearly as many replies, probably because I didn't try to support my claims with such an outrageous example. Just deal with it, you kind of made a dumb post, no big deal!
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