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Oral Dose of DMT Freebase (Trip Report Included)
    #8018089 - 02/13/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well about 4 weeks ago I did an extraction on 1lb of MHRB resulting in approximately 2 grams of white colored spice. I have been trying to smoke it, since I have made it, without much success. It seems the smoke is just ungodly harsh. I will try to hit it and it will be so harsh that it almost feels like I am going to puke from it. I have tried different ways of smoking it and I don't really care for any of the methods.

So I have decided to try the DMT orally. I think that I would rather have a long trip instead of a short 5 minute trip anyways.

I am planning to do this Saturday night with the aide of an MAOI. I have 4 oz of syrian rue sitting at the house so I will use that. I plan on boiling about 3 grams of powdered seeds in vinegar water the straining and boiling down the liquid from 3 extractions to about a shots worth. I have tried this method while ingesting mushrooms before and it has worked quite well.

For the dmt I am planning on capping it into a gel cap and swallowing the pill about 30 minutes after the MAOI ingestion.

I haven't really decided on a dose yet. I want a strong dose so I was thinking somewhere between the range of 100-150mg. From what I have read that should give me a very strong experience, but do you think it would be too much.

I am quite experienced with mushrooms. I have probably tripped on mushrooms 50+ times with and without an MAOI. I have also tried salvia and some weak LSD a couple times but that pretty much wraps up my psychedelic repertoire. I would like to try others but DMT caught my attention the most so that is what I would choose. I would choose acid over DMT but unfortunately it isn't available in my area.

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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: kungpow]
    #8018105 - 02/13/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: kungpow]
    #8021016 - 02/14/08 03:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: kungpow]
    #8021723 - 02/14/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's possible the amount of time between ingesting the two can affect the intensity ~ taking both together may be stronger than taking them separately.

I find the experience is similar to mushrooms but with a big helping of lucidity mixed into it.  I think the range you picked seems to be consistent with that of others, and would not suggest going over 150mg for the first go.  Enjoy.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: schmutzen]
    #8021858 - 02/14/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It never even occurred to me that freebase would work orally since you can't smoke the salt form.

So 100-150mg is all that is needed, without any extra steps to transform the spice into HCL or anything?


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #8022520 - 02/14/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

IIRC the conversion from freebase to salt happens in your stomach.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: stazen4]
    #8022595 - 02/14/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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IIRC the conversion from freebase to salt happens in your stomach.




This is true, though I think the fact that your stamoche has to salt all of the DMT to solubilize it decreases the bioavailability slightly. My concern would be that, unless the MAOI knocked out 100% of the MAO activity in your stomache, then some (maybe not much) of the DMT in your stomache could be destroyed in first-pass metabolism.

Basically, I have little doubt eating DMT freebase would work, but there are a variety of factors that could make it less effective than the salt. If you're comfortable with the chemistry, I'd salt it up before consuming to be on the safe side.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8022727 - 02/14/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

doing it just how you have described is just fine, and will work.

now keep in mind, the smoking experience differs quite a bit from oral dosing. Smoking it is MUCH more intense.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: enesi]
    #8023148 - 02/14/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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doing it just how you have described is just fine, and will work.

now keep in mind, the smoking experience differs quite a bit from oral dosing. Smoking it is MUCH more intense.




what if you smoked while on an MAOI would that extend your trip?


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: doitagain]
    #8023156 - 02/14/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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enesi said:
doing it just how you have described is just fine, and will work.

now keep in mind, the smoking experience differs quite a bit from oral dosing. Smoking it is MUCH more intense.




what if you smoked while on an MAOI would that extend your trip?


I haven't done it, but have known those who have. And it won't "extend it" so much as intensify it. Taking an maoi, then smoking 20-30mg can really blow you away.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: enesi]
    #8023198 - 02/14/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

cool, good to know.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8028307 - 02/15/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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IIRC the conversion from freebase to salt happens in your stomach.




This is true, though I think the fact that your stamoche has to salt all of the DMT to solubilize it decreases the bioavailability slightly. My concern would be that, unless the MAOI knocked out 100% of the MAO activity in your stomache, then some (maybe not much) of the DMT in your stomache could be destroyed in first-pass metabolism.

Basically, I have little doubt eating DMT freebase would work, but there are a variety of factors that could make it less effective than the salt. If you're comfortable with the chemistry, I'd salt it up before consuming to be on the safe side.




If you had to guess, how much do you think would be lost? I only ask because I don't want to steer people away from trying this method as a base to salt conversion might be reason for hesitation when it really isn't that necessary IMO.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: schmutzen]
    #8028435 - 02/15/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My guess is that is really isn't going to be that big a loss. Once it gets into your stomache, it ought to form the hydrochloride salt and solubilize pretty rapidly.

Basically, if you've got some DMT freebase and MAOI, I'd bet that you can just eat that and be good to go... I might take ~20% more than usual of both compounds, to make sure you knock your MAO out good and to compensate for any minor bioavailability issues with the freebase.

If you're comfortable with the chemistry, salting it up would be worthwhile only if you're going to be eating DMT a lot.

Otherwise, a good option to avoid the whole conundrum would be to mix your DMT into water acidified with citric acid (probably use 3 parts citric acid to 1 part DMT), and stir until everything's dissolved. Now you've got a foodsafe beverage containing DMT in the (orally preferred) salt form. Just to clarify, you'd do this to prepare a dose immediately before consuming it, it doesn't seem necessary to make a large batch and let that sit for god knows how long.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8028892 - 02/15/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I think I'm gonna give it a shot sometime in the next week or so.

I will post back here with results.

I'll use a gram scale set to zero. I'll slowly dump spice on it until it reads .1 grams, then gel cap it.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #8029233 - 02/15/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well tomorrow is the day. i am on my maoi diet right now. I probably won't dose until 11 or 12 tomorrow night. I was going to try smoking some more dmt yesterday but I got busy with other things. I think I am going to try and make "The Machine" that was mentioned up above.

I will be dosing 150 mg of dmt freebase stuffed in a gel cap with a tea made from 3 grams of syrian rue. I will make sure to post a report on sunday.

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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: kungpow]
    #8029417 - 02/15/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I guess I don't get how when using "The Machine" your DMT just doesn't fall out of the bowl when you tip it upside down.

Do you have to melt the crystals prior to flipping/inhaling off of the bottom of the bottle?


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: SaintDunsmere]
    #8029455 - 02/15/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, hold the light just over the DMT until the crystals melt into the steel. Then hold the light far enough away from the steel so that you can pull in just enough heat to vaporize the DMT.

For oral DMT I do a manske extraction on syrian rue and eat 150mg. A half hour later I eat another 150mg harmaline then 150mg DMT freebase. Perfect:sun:


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: muistrue]
    #8029916 - 02/16/08 01:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i cant understand why anyone would go through the trouble of extracting dmt so they can get an ayahausca experience... just make ayahausca


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: SurReality]
    #8030813 - 02/16/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ayahuasca is too unpredictable and nausea causing for me, I like to have a good idea what I'm getting into beforehand.


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Re: Oral Dose of DMT Freebase [Re: schmutzen]
    #8034187 - 02/17/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well I would have to say that the experiment was a success. At about 12AM last night I drank a tea consisting of 3 grams of syrian rue. Then at 12:20 I took somewhere between 150-250mg. I am guessing it was more in the 200 range. All I have is a .1g accuracy scale and I thought that I would just put some dmt on the scale until it went to .1 then do it again and split it in half for my 150 mg. But that didn't work out. I guess my scale doesn't work that great, because I would put a bunch of dmt on the scale and it would read 0. So I ended up just taking some dmt and throwing it in a cap. When I put the capsule on the scale it read 0.2g.

I will do my best to describe the experience but most of it is gone. It was the most terrifying and most beautiful thing I have ever been through.

I took the dmt at 12:20 and I thought I would put on some shpongle and play some geometry wars. Every once in a while I would pause the game and close my eyes to see if there were any effects, but there was nothing. At about 12:45 I started feeling something but it was a much different feeling than with mushrooms. There were no visuals or anything yet just this weird feeling.

As I was laying there I thought to myself that if I don't start tripping my 1 AM than I am going to take some mushrooms because I was determined to trip. Well lets just say that I am glad that i didn't. As 1AM came around I could feel a little more but I still didn't classify it as tripping. So I decided to stop playing the game and just lay with my eyes closed. I remember seeing an old wizard and it seemed that he wanted me to go somewhere.

Before I knew it my environment was transformed into a living hell. The room was not as it was before i closed my eyes. With my eyes open I would have tracers so bad that I could hardly focus on anything. I was getting images of people killing other people with blood everywhere. It was very disgusting and I wasn't liking it at this point. I just watched the alien series last week and the alien was here in my house.

I really felt like i needed to puke. I tried walking to the bathroom but I couldn't walk so I crawled. When I got into the bathroom I pulled myself up so that way I could go to the bathroom. I thought I was going to fall over. After the blood and guts it was like I with some kind of other beings, but they were studying me. It was like I was strapped to a table of some sorts and couldn't get away, while they used their strange tools on me.

I open my eyes again and can't believe what is happening. I thought maybe the shpongle was causing the alien feeling so I changed it to Incubus. Here is where things start turning around. It was like someone flicked a switch and all of a sudden everything was wonderful. It was so wonderful I couldn't believe it.

I went through the death and rebirth experience and it was amazing. It is definitely what I have been waiting for. The room was pulsating all different kinds of neon colors dancing with the music. I still had my tracers so I would move my hand aroundn in front of my face. Now that I was feeling so good I thought it would be a good idea to listen to Dark Side of the Moon. OH My god!!!!!! It was so wonderful I moved down in the floor and I was squirming with orgasmic feeling.

So much more happened but I can't really explain it. I don't even think I can explain it I am totally left without words for the experience. I remember that my dog was acting really weird and I ended up having to put here somewhere else in here cage because it was really bothering me.

About 3:30 I had the idea to watch planet earth on HD DVD and I am so glad that i did. It was amazing. I was in complete awe watching it. I ended up watching 3 episodes each one being very exciting in its own way.

I really learned a lot last night with my DMT experience. I would never wish the hell part on anyone, but then again the good part was so good that i would do it again. I was taught how important love is to the human experience and that you need to cherish all of the love that you can get. There were parts where I was really longing for my fiance but i didn't want to wake her. I had visions of my daughter fully grown and I learned that she is what it is all about. Lately I have really been just doing my own thing not caring about what anyone else thinks. but I believe that i have learned differently.

Watching Planet Earth taught me how fragile our planet is and we need to take care of it. It is amazing that the planet works the way it does. The whole time watching Planet earth I just couldn't believe what I was watching.

DMT is not for the faint of heart. Please take caution with this stuff as it is very powerful and will set you in your place. It was the most spiritual experience I have ever had. Please leave any comments. I am sorry for any mistakes but I have been writing this for a while and I don't really feel like reading through it and fixing any mistakes.

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