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ApJunkie
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
#8022808 - 02/14/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Zappa, you can't call bullshit without proper sources.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Minstrel]
#8022853 - 02/14/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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partys dont mean shit anymore its a matter of who you elect and how much power you give them. and i could told you all that shit with out research lol
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Cubie]
#8023536 - 02/14/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can tell me whatever you want without research, doesn't mean you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Maybe you should research how to spell before you post?
Saying 'partys don't mean shit anymore' is about the stupidest thing I've heard on this forum in a while. It all matters on who you elect huh? And how the fuck are you going to even get into the running without the support from a major party?
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
#8023596 - 02/14/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ron Paul did pretty well without any major party support
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: johnm214]
#8023668 - 02/14/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, why is he running as a Republican?
I assume he knows more about this than either of us.
And with all due respect johnm214, when has an Independent Party actually had a President in the White House?
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: ApJunkie]
#8023860 - 02/14/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: Zappa, you can't call bullshit without proper sources.
I supplied exactly as many sources as he did. If he comes up with one I will consider putting some effort in refuting them. As it stands right now he is just blowing bullshit out of his own, and only his own, ass.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
#8024411 - 02/14/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, he supplied two links int he first post. you've so far posted none countering him.
So yeah, 0 and 2 are practically the same number
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: ApJunkie]
#8025800 - 02/15/08 02:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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 Senility's a bitch.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
#8025897 - 02/15/08 04:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Everyone knows that Democrats are big-government, pork-barrelin' ass'd, reckless spenders that run us neck deep into debt. And that Republicans are the fiscally conservative, small-government types. Right?
Wrong. This is the line the two party system feeds to the mindless sheep to help convince them that there is a difference between the two parties.
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You are conflating Conservatives with Republican politicians. They are not the same thing.
Correct. They are very different.
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And yer splittin' hairs.
No, he isn't. He cut right through all the fat directly to the heart of the matter. The original statement is no more correct than me claiming "All Democrats are Liberal politicians."
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partys dont mean shit anymore its a matter of who you elect and how much power you give them.
Correct. Same coin, opposite sides. Political parties are being used to keep the sheep busy (and feeling important) while the real work/damage is done out of sight. There are a few individuals in both parties that are decent and have not given into to greed and power, but they are far and few between. Anybody that thinks one party is somehow magically better than the other is sorely mistaken.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Seuss]
#8026010 - 02/15/08 06:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's strange that someone named Seuss would be so unperceptive. As I've said before, I was hoping these stereotypical portraits of Democrats and Republicans would get people to question common preconceived views.
Re-read the thread! And remember, hurling as many quotes as possible into your response doesn't mean you're 'informed'.

You were right about one thing. He wasn't splittin' hairs. I used the wrong colloquialism. He was confusing the issue.
I'm very aware that the conservative values of small government and small government spending aren't represented by many or any actual Republican Presidents.
That's NOT the issue here.
This thread is about the fact that...
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Republicans, whatever you want to call the philosophy they follow...have been worse for the economy than the Democrats the last 30 years while steadfastly maintaining that they are much better...
Everything else is red herring!
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
#8026195 - 02/15/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sigh. The budget is voted on by Congress, not established by decree by the Executive Branch. So the question of which political party the president belonged to is meaningless in budgetary terms. The question to be asked is which party held a majority in Congress?
From 1994 to 2006 the Republicans held the strings. From 1978 to 1994 it was the Democrats who held it.
So if you want to compare deficits and national debt and stuff from those two time frames, knock yourself out.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Phred]
#8026402 - 02/15/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahh, but it's kinda like right now when he Dems tried to stall funding to war to force a withdrawl...
Within hours the White House held a press conference asking congress to "support the Troops".
It's the same way with budgets, they get modified to a point, but you must remember, they don't change the whole thing. The people did elect the President to run the federal government. Often these people talk about small government, only to promote the social changes they campaigned to make with a new bureaucracy.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: ApJunkie]
#8026590 - 02/15/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: well, he supplied two links int he first post. you've so far posted none countering him.
So yeah, 0 and 2 are practically the same number
The links he supplied do not prove at all what he stated. Congress drives the budget, not the President. In the second link in the period from 1994 to 2000, a period of sustained a continuous national debt decreases, Republicans held Congress. National debt isn't that important, but in the two links the first shows a decrease under Carter and the second shows an increase under Carter.
Further, policies do not work like light switches, they take years to have effect. Thus there are three things I can base my claim on:
1. The President doesn't drive the budget 2. Conflicting links 3. Policy lag
There are also exigent circumstances. Such as the fact that BJ Clinton's entire term of office was essentially a free ride on Republicans and he failed miserably in what he was actually supposed to be doing, i.e. securing the people. Bush got left holding that bag because of Clinton's failure. So, I say bullshit.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
#8027217 - 02/15/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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failed miserably in what he was actually supposed to be doing, i.e. securing the people.
yeah I really felt insecure then but now with DW Bush I feel so fucking secure it's not funny. Great observation.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Phred]
#8027271 - 02/15/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: Sigh. The budget is voted on by Congress, not established by decree by the Executive Branch. So the question of which political party the president belonged to is meaningless in budgetary terms. The question to be asked is which party held a majority in Congress?
From 1994 to 2006 the Republicans held the strings. From 1978 to 1994 it was the Democrats who held it.
Ok, the next time a conservative tries to tell me that it is President Clinton's policies that have lead to the current budget deficit, I will tell them to come talk to you and you can straighten them out and explain that the blame should be placed on the Republican Congress.
If only I could go back in time to the 90s when conservatives were saying that the economic boom was not a result of the Clinton administration, but were actually just the long term effects of Reagan's policies. To which I could point to the Democratic congress of the 80s.
I jest. It is more complicated than all of that, of course. But I'm feeling bitchy today.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: gluke bastid]
#8027411 - 02/15/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, the next time a conservative tries to tell me that it is President Clinton's policies that have lead to the current budget deficit, I will tell them to come talk to you and you can straighten them out and explain that the blame should be placed on the Republican Congress.
I will gladly do so.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Icelander]
#8027553 - 02/15/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: failed miserably in what he was actually supposed to be doing, i.e. securing the people.
yeah I really felt insecure then but now with DW Bush I feel so fucking secure it's not funny. Great observation.
Your feelings about your security are utterly unrelated to what your actual security is. It is not a bad thing to realize that there are assholes out there and, ya know, actually take steps to stop them. It's better than putting your head up your ass and ignoring them, like Clinton did.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
#8027888 - 02/15/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Or even better pretending we have enemies here and there so we can get out there and take control of some resources and support the ol war economy.
It seems evident to me thats what has happened here. Unless you want to admit that Bush is a complete incompetent retard instead of just dishonest.
Not only are the assholes "out there", there's plenty of them "in here" too. There the really scary ones because they have all the access to the morons who support them.
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Edited by Icelander (02/15/08 03:54 PM)
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Icelander]
#8028217 - 02/15/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yep there's assholes here too. Ignoring or feeling like there are none won't do anything to stop them.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
#8028403 - 02/15/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Average Federal Debt Increase Democratic Pres......4.2% Republican Pres.....36.4%
That's NINE TIMES what the democrats averaged! Sorry but if you can't see that nine times over 30 years is more than just chance, you're in some kind of narcotic haze! There's definitely a pattern here.
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