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Republicans (The Big Lie)
    #8017486 - 02/13/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Everyone knows that Democrats are big-government, pork-barrelin'

ass'd, reckless spenders that run us neck deep into debt. And that

Republicans are the fiscally conservative, small-government types.

Right?

Well, check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

From 1978-2005
Average Increase in Federal Spending
Democrats....... 9.9%
Republicans.....12.1%

Average Federal Debt Increase
Democrats......4.2%
Republicans...36.4%

Average Gross Domestic Product Increase
Democrats.....12.6%
Republicans...10.7%


Republicans have *time and again* outdone Democrats

...in increasing our National Debt!
...in increasing Federal Spending!

So how come these people are considered financially conservative?
Why does everyone in America think the Republicans are good for our economy?

Here's another chart:
http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html



I honestly don't understand this.
Are the numbers wrong?


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
    #8017507 - 02/13/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, it's because human nature is to think you're better than everyone else.
The problem with conservatives is they're manipulative enough to convince everyone else of that, despite it being false.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: ApJunkie]
    #8017536 - 02/13/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:

Or the people who get convinced are just retarded...


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: dill705]
    #8017623 - 02/13/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It is a matter of which one sucks worse. I think one of them sucks way more than the other and won't give even the pretense of listening to me.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8017863 - 02/13/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It is a matter of which one sucks worse. I think one of them sucks way more than the other and won't give even the pretense of listening to me.




Why should a political party listen to you???


It's just *interesting* to me that every person I talk to is totally convinced that conservatives are financially responsible.
They're not.
It's the fucking opposite.

So what's the big pull for conservatives once we learn this?
That they're going to get us into horrible religious wars, tap our phone lines and legislate your sex life?

The only thing the Republicans have besides small-government, fiscal responsibility is Christianity and a Large Military.

Cuz obviously that tricked down bullshit ain't workin'.
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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
    #8017897 - 02/13/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You are conflating Conservatives with Republican politicians. They are not the same thing.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8017922 - 02/13/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And yer splittin' hairs.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
    #8017975 - 02/13/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not by a long shot.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8018070 - 02/13/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Not by a long shot.




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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8018430 - 02/13/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
You are conflating Conservatives with Republican politicians. They are not the same thing.




You are not a conservative. It's further worsened by the fact that you play into this false dichotomy of libs vs cons.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: Minstrel]
    #8018465 - 02/13/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And I'm sure you can't tell the difference between a line of coke and a line of heroin.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8018519 - 02/13/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
And I'm sure you can't tell the difference between a line of coke and a line of heroin.




That's right! I do neither.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8018541 - 02/13/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
You are conflating Conservatives with Republican politicians. They are not the same thing.




I agree with you that they're different, but the major party leaders for both parties would argue that Republicans ARE conservatives, and vice versa. They're not supposed to be, but the claims are there.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: ApJunkie]
    #8018585 - 02/13/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They're politicians.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8018612 - 02/13/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yes webster, thanks for clarifying :smirk:


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8020431 - 02/13/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
You are conflating Conservatives with Republican politicians. They are not the same thing.




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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: johnm214]
    #8020631 - 02/14/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you're talking to me with that quote you're really fucking clueless.


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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: ApJunkie]
    #8020883 - 02/14/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If anyone here doesn't think that Republicans associate themselves with the conservative movement every chance they get ...then I just don't know what to say.

But let's just deal with the facts.

Republicans, whatever you want to call the philosophy they follow...have been worse for the economy than the Democrats the last 30 years while steadfastly maintaining that they are much better than the Democrats.

And many American people (apparently about fifty-one percent!) believe this lie they tell!

And that was the whole point I was trying to make.
Re-read the original post.
It's a call to re-examine the stereotypes people have for the two dominant parties.

Quote:

"Everyone knows that Democrats are big-government, pork-barrelin'
ass'd, reckless spenders that run us neck deep into debt. And that

Republicans are the fiscally conservative, small-government types.

Right?






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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
    #8022646 - 02/14/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Republicans (The Big Lie) [Re: blackegg]
    #8022684 - 02/14/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blackegg said:
If anyone here doesn't think that Republicans associate themselves with the conservative movement every chance they get ...then I just don't know what to say.




They try to. It doesn't make it true though.
Quote:



But let's just deal with the facts.

Republicans, whatever you want to call the philosophy they follow...have been worse for the economy than the Democrats the last 30 years while steadfastly maintaining that they are much better than the Democrats.

And many American people (apparently about fifty-one percent!) believe this lie they tell!




Why bother calling this nonsense as a fact. It's frankly utter bullshit.
Quote:



And that was the whole point I was trying to make.
Re-read the original post.
It's a call to re-examine the stereotypes people have for the two dominant parties.

Quote:

"Everyone knows that Democrats are big-government, pork-barrelin'
ass'd, reckless spenders that run us neck deep into debt. And that

Republicans are the fiscally conservative, small-government types.

Right?







Which was probably what cost them the Congress in 2006.


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