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Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard?
#8017475 - 02/13/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You'll often hear fascis...I mean, Republicans both here and elsewhere screeching about how there is a huge MSM conspiracy to promote liberal politicians and to ignore their faults while taking every possible shot they can at conservative pols and dragging their names through the muck. They will often tell you that this is horribly wrong and is indicative of the double-standard that the liberal/jew/fag/pinko media holds.
Well, fucking *duh*.
Is this not justified? The Republican party, for at least the last 20 years has never missed an opportunity to trumpet their wholesomeness. They love to tell you how fags are dirty and they would never even think of giving civil rights to a gay person, much less touch one. So then should it really NOT be news when someone is getting a hand-job under the door of an airport bathroom stall?
Republicans cannot have it both ways. If you want to claim the moral high-ground, you had damn well better be ready for the intense scrutiny that comes with that. You know why its not a big deal when a lib politician gets caught in some shit like this? Because we haven't been telling everyone for 20 years that we are better than them, holier than them, and absolutely morally without fault.
So yes, there is absolutely and 100% without a doubt a media bias towards pointing out the moral and personal shortcomings of conservative politicians.
But it is just as absolutely justified.
Deal with it, or get off your high horse.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8017537 - 02/13/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are correct that sanctimonious cunts need to have their phony feet held to the fire. What politician, though, left or right, is not a sanctimonious cunt? As one who is what I consider a true Conservative, i.e. gummint out of both my wallet and my bedroom (and opium den), I hate being associated with the anti abortion, godbothering retards etc. Word to retards, god hates you because you make him look stupid.
Aside from all that, the Dems deserve EQUAL space at the pillory. They are just as sanctimonious as the Reps, just in a different way. If you make the case that Reps should be held to a higher standard when they tap toes in a restroom then Dems should be held to a higher standard when they embezzle and steal money from "All the Po' Peoples." For an illustration, see William Jefferson. There are lots more. Same shit, different petard.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8017551 - 02/13/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8017581 - 02/13/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I did think that was one of my best.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8017629 - 02/13/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This "argument" is hilarious -- Dem politicians shouldn't be reported on for their moral failures because they cheerfully admit they're liars, thieves, perverts, traitors. "Hey... why you wanna report on the bad things we do, bro? We're freaking scum. Y'all have known that from the get-go."
There is a MSM habit so common no one even comments on it anymore -- whenever a politician is caught doing something wrong, if it's a Republican, his party affiliation is trumpeted in the headline of the article. If not in the headline, then in the very first sentence of the piece. If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.
This isn't just a sometimes thing, mind you, it is like nine times out of ten. I guarantee you if you ever come across a story about a politician caught doing something bad and you aren't told his/her party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph, he's a Dem. That's a sure bet.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8017639 - 02/13/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You Better Eat Your Wheaties because its really gonna heat up in here when the General Election starts.:)
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8017667 - 02/13/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I been training and I feels STRONG. Them commies best get their steroid shots right now because in a few months it will be too late to matter.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8017699 - 02/13/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything." The Dems are the poster children for what you can get away with when there are diminished expectations. "Come on lady, you knew I was a snake when you picked me up." Some people find that refreshingly honest. I find it cowardly.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8017731 - 02/13/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you guys don't get it do you? all of the government that we elect is corrupted by the lobbyists. it has nothing to do with partisanship at all.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: SlashOZ]
#8017822 - 02/13/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lobbyists are people too. I'd rather shut you up than them.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8018437 - 02/13/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is this not justified? The Republican party, for at least the last 20 years has never missed an opportunity to trumpet their wholesomeness. They love to tell you how fags are dirty and they would never even think of giving civil rights to a gay person, much less touch one. So then should it really NOT be news when someone is getting a hand-job under the door of an airport bathroom stall?
(*As a caveat: ANY politician who fucks up should be exposed to the American public regardless of their politics.)
However...
Agreed. For some reason it always seems like (in general) Republicans are the ones caught in the most deviant sexual or moral activities. The Dems have had a few clunkers but I think it resonates more when Republicans get caught since they claim they're the more moralistic party and that the Democrats would let "them damn fags ruin America." I wouldn't hold this that much against them save for the fact that they're also a bunch of preachy, moralistic fucks and it's truly wonderful when one of them gets caught not practicing what he preaches in a male restroom 
Every time you hear about some Republican politician who hates gays in public yet blows men in private or a Republican White House that invites a gay prostitute to lob softball questions at the president during their press conference an angel gets its wings. Oh sweet Irony, you're such a lovely mistress.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8018650 - 02/13/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: You'll often hear fascis...I mean, Republicans both here and elsewhere screeching about how there is a huge MSM conspiracy to promote liberal politicians and to ignore their faults while taking every possible shot they can at conservative pols and dragging their names through the muck. They will often tell you that this is horribly wrong and is indicative of the double-standard that the liberal/jew/fag/pinko media holds.
Well, fucking *duh*.
Is this not justified? The Republican party, for at least the last 20 years has never missed an opportunity to trumpet their wholesomeness. They love to tell you how fags are dirty and they would never even think of giving civil rights to a gay person, much less touch one. So then should it really NOT be news when someone is getting a hand-job under the door of an airport bathroom stall?
Republicans cannot have it both ways. If you want to claim the moral high-ground, you had damn well better be ready for the intense scrutiny that comes with that. You know why its not a big deal when a lib politician gets caught in some shit like this? Because we haven't been telling everyone for 20 years that we are better than them, holier than them, and absolutely morally without fault.
So yes, there is absolutely and 100% without a doubt a media bias towards pointing out the moral and personal shortcomings of conservative politicians.
But it is just as absolutely justified.
Deal with it, or get off your high horse.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Syle]
#8020003 - 02/13/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you fucking kidding?
What in that long post you quoted would make you think that?
Did you read what I fucking wrote? It's an indictment *of* the Republicans, not *by* the Republicans.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8020251 - 02/13/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Are you fucking kidding?
What in that long post you quoted would make you think that?
Did you read what I fucking wrote? It's an indictment *of* the Republicans, not *by* the Republicans.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8020465 - 02/13/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah because we all know the many benefits that the tobacco industry provides. big oil, military contractors, big pharm, etc. yeah we need more of their influence in Washington zappa. its not like they haven't played a huge part in running America into the ground over the last 50 or so years. i also can see how my posts on this forum have led to the massive debt we face, terrible perception abroad, a weak dollar, 48 million uninsured, millions in prison for non violent crimes related to the war on drugs, financing corrupt governments abroad now and in the past. yeah i'm a real leach upon this country zappa. thank god we have career politicians running this ship, right into rocks Valdez style. heaven forbid anyone express differing viewpoints, on an internet forum no less. shame on me once again.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: SlashOZ]
#8020532 - 02/14/08 12:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You are correct that sanctimonious cunts need to have their phony feet held to the fire. What politician, though, left or right, is not a sanctimonious cunt? As one who is what I consider a true Conservative, i.e. gummint out of both my wallet and my bedroom (and opium den), I hate being associated with the anti abortion, godbothering retards etc. Word to retards, god hates you because you make him look stupid.
Aside from all that, the Dems deserve EQUAL space at the pillory. They are just as sanctimonious as the Reps, just in a different way. If you make the case that Reps should be held to a higher standard when they tap toes in a restroom then Dems should be held to a higher standard when they embezzle and steal money from "All the Po' Peoples." For an illustration, see William Jefferson. There are lots more. Same shit, different petard.
See zap, this is why I love you! 
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Lobbyists are people too. I'd rather shut you up than them.
But then you go and piss me off again.
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SlashOz said: yeah because we all know the many benefits that the tobacco industry provides. big oil, military contractors, big pharm, etc. yeah we need more of their influence in Washington zappa. its not like they haven't played a huge part in running America into the ground over the last 50 or so years. i also can see how my posts on this forum have led to the massive debt we face, terrible perception abroad, a weak dollar, 48 million uninsured, millions in prison for non violent crimes related to the war on drugs, financing corrupt governments abroad now and in the past. yeah i'm a real leach upon this country zappa. thank god we have career politicians running this ship, right into rocks Valdez style. heaven forbid anyone express differing viewpoints, on an internet forum no less. shame on me once again.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8020672 - 02/14/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: This "argument" is hilarious -- Dem politicians shouldn't be reported on for their moral failures because they cheerfully admit they're liars, thieves, perverts, traitors. "Hey... why you wanna report on the bad things we do, bro? We're freaking scum. Y'all have known that from the get-go."
As usual, you cheerfully and blatantly disregard the actual meaning of my words to twist them into some type of admission of guilt. They are nothing of the sort.
What I meant, and I think you understand this, is not that the Democrats are somehow not responsible for their actions. It is only that as the party of the so called "Moral Majority", you should be accountable to a higher standard. *YOU* are the party that claims the moral high ground. You are the ones standing up for families, and values, and all of that sentimental bullshit. Protecting the country against whatever liberal boogeyman is coming to corrupt your children on that particular day.
Nobody from either party is perfect. They're all fucking human. But if the Republicans want to claim that they're morally superior, they should take the flak that comes with revealing the basic untruth of that position.
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There is a MSM habit so common no one even comments on it anymore -- whenever a politician is caught doing something wrong, if it's a Republican, his party affiliation is trumpeted in the headline of the article. If not in the headline, then in the very first sentence of the piece. If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.
This isn't just a sometimes thing, mind you, it is like nine times out of ten. I guarantee you if you ever come across a story about a politician caught doing something bad and you aren't told his/her party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph, he's a Dem. That's a sure bet.
You know full well that is absolute rubbish.
Prove it.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8021047 - 02/14/08 03:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is a MSM habit so common no one even comments on it anymore -- whenever a politician is caught doing something wrong, if it's a Republican, his party affiliation is trumpeted in the headline of the article. If not in the headline, then in the very first sentence of the piece. If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.
Yeah, on a hunch I quickly called bullshit on that in my mind and a cursory Google search has once again proved you wrong...
Your words: "...often never mentioned at all... or if it is, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article."
Let's look into the scandal of James McGreevy, the Democratic governor of New Jersey... In the words of those godless, commie, pinko-liberal fags over at CNN: (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/)
Holy shit! Do my eyes deceive me or do they mention the word Democrat three times in the first six paragraphs? And this is coming from a source that is often accused of having a left-wing bias!
Look, people would take you more seriously if you made arguments that were backed up by facts...
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Gotta love the Republican vs. Democrat mentality.
They are all politicians, and the party they affiliate with has more to do with how each party will play to their own interests and the special interests they represent. It means nothing for politicians to change who they caucus with, for the most part. There are, of course, ideaological differences, but this probably is a natural tendency of which special represents each party traditionally represents.
Right in the middle is where the most money is, and this is why you have politicans like Hillary Clinton, John McCain, and George W. Bush have so much success. The most powerful interests play both sides, and its easiest to get the most money and power by being right in the middle for it.
The thing that inspires me the most about Obama is that he hasn't become entangled in the interests game to nearly any extent as politicians like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. People are quick to say he is the most left-winged politican there is right now, which is probably because he hasn't been sucked into the middle with all of that money and power. No one yet has proposed exactly what is so negative about him. Ron Paul, as well, represents this coming from the right, but there is simply more interest in the left-side of it all right now nationally, and someone like Obama is far more capable of gaining the attention of the public and the media than someone like Ron Paul is.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: SlashOZ]
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Held to a higher standard....... Or hung?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Holy shit! Do my eyes deceive me or do they mention the word Democrat three times in the first six paragraphs?
Thanks for proving my point. What part of --
"I guarantee you if you ever come across a story about a politician caught doing something bad and you aren't told his/her party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph, he's a Dem. That's a sure bet."
did I fail to make clear? Your example doesn't mention his political affiliation in the headline (as it probably would have if he'd been a Republican) nor does it mention it in the first paragraph. Nor in the second paragraph. Nor in the third paragraph.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Probably this part...
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If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.
That statement's a big ol' steaming pile of bullshit. In my example, Mr. McGreevey's party affiliation was brought up four paragraphs into the article and mentioned frequently throughout the article... but anyway, how about the other side of your argument:
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I guarantee you if you ever come across a story about a politician caught doing something bad and you aren't told his/her party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph, he's a Dem. That's a sure bet.
Really? Let's look into the scandal of REPUBLICAN Mark Foley...
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS/609300536
Okay. Here his party affiliation is neither mentioned in the headline nor the first paragraph but at the very end of the second... as opposed to the fourth paragraph with Mr. McGreevey. Oh horrid, evil bias, you rear your hideous head once again! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/10/05/national/w071357D24.DTL
I'll be damned if there is no mention of him being Republican until TEN paragraphs into the article.
Where is this liberal media bias you Republicans keep whining about?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Virus writes:
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Really? Let's look into the scandal of REPUBLICAN Mark Foley...
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS/609300536
Okay. Here his party affiliation is neither mentioned in the headline nor the first paragraph but at the very end of the second... as opposed to the fourth paragraph with Mr. McGreevey. Oh horrid, evil bias, you rear your hideous head once again!
Yep. That is one instance in one newspaper where his political affiliation isn't mentioned in either the headline or the first paragraph, though it is mentioned in the photo caption which accompanies the article. But is a photo a headline or a paragraph? Nope. So you got me.... once.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/10/05/national/w071357D24.DTL
I'll be damned if there is no mention of him being Republican until TEN paragraphs into the article.
Well, duh! That article wasn't a breaking article, but a followup. By the time the sfgate article appeared there were fewer newswatchers left in the US who hadn't been repeatedly informed Foley was a Republican than there were newswatchers in the US who didn't know John Kerry is a Democrat.
Despite your find of one news article, my bet is a moneymaker in the long run. For every bet lost, you'll win fifteen or twenty by betting "Democrat" if you haven't been told the party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph.
Here's some recent ones --
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329747,00.html
An AP story where it's never mentioned anywhere that the miscreant is a Democrat. But he is. Forget the sixth paragraph or the seventeenth or whatever -- no mention at all.
Or this one -- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/02/national/main3668368.shtml
Twenty three paragraphs long. Tons of detail, except one -- Democrat or Republican? Not noted anywhere in the article, therefore it is a cast-iron certainty this public figure is in fact a Democrat. Sure enough, he is.
“Ex-councilwoman gets 12-24 months in kickback scheme.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854664-100.stm
We discover her political affiliation in paragraph 15.
“Ex-Rep. LaGrotta pleads guilty in ghost employee case.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854668-100.stm
A bit better -- political affiliation just 12 paragraphs in.
A story about ballot fraud -- http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/763753,eapencharge012808.article#
No mention of party affiliation anywhere in the entire article, therefore we can safely deduce the miscreant is a Dem. Lo and behold, he is in fact a Democrat! (read second last paragraph and use some common sense).
Over 2000 words about the trial and the writer couldn't find any room to identify the political party of the two public figures named in the headline. -- http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/NEWS05/801240414&theme=KILPATRICK082007
You know what that means, folks. Since the political affiliation remains a mystery for the entire lengthy article, we don't have to guess it, we know it -- Dems, the both of them.
State Auditor and Inspector Jeff McMahan and his wife Lori McMahan have been indicted. http://newsok.com/article/3194419/ and http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080118_1__MUSKO86622
No mention anywhere in either article of their political affiliation. Anyone care to place a bet on which party these two belong to? Don't bother. They're both (of course) Dems.
You will note these are just examples from this year. If I were to go back to 2007 I'd be at this for months.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329747,00.html
An AP story where it's never mentioned anywhere that the miscreant is a Democrat. But he is. Forget the sixth paragraph or the seventeenth or whatever -- no mention at all.
The man in question, Carl Stanley McGee, was an AIDE to a politician, not a politician like we are discussing. Please read the title of the thread: "Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard?"
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An AP story where it's never mentioned anywhere that the miscreant is a Democrat. But he is. Forget the sixth paragraph or the seventeenth or whatever -- no mention at all.
Or this one -- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/02/national/main3668368.shtml
Again, we're talking about politicians here. He was a judge, not a politician. Case dismissed...
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“Ex-Rep. LaGrotta pleads guilty in ghost employee case.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854668-100.stm
A bit better -- political affiliation just 12 paragraphs in.
Well that's interesting. I found this Associated Press article where Frank Lagrotta's political affiliation is mentioned in the FIRST paragraph: http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-11142007-1441033.html
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A story about ballot fraud -- http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/763753,eapencharge012808.article#
You're talking about Anish Eapan, a ward superintendent and essentially a bureaucrat. It says he's an employee of the Department of Streets and Sanitation! NOT a politician!
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State Auditor and Inspector Jeff McMahan and his wife Lori McMahan have been indicted. http://newsok.com/article/3194419/ and http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080118_1__MUSKO86622
"State Auditor and Inspector." I can't help but notice that we've been through this before...
I mean, as "evidence" I suppose I could cite an example of a school administrator (who happened to be a Democrat) accused of molesting kids and bemoan the fact that the article doesn't mention his Democratic affiliations anywhere and swear to the heavens that he were Republican it would be plastered all over the article but both you (I hope!) and I know that wouldn't be true. That is essentially what you've done here... gave me a bunch of people who aren't politicians and asked me why the media didn't lambast them for being Democrats. If they did this, then truly the media WOULD be biased... but not against Republicans as you would like to believe.
The only valid example you've given me is Mayor Kilpatrick. So basically I've given you one example that proves my point and you've given me an example where his party affiliation should have been mentioned. This is hardly ample evidence to prove a trend.
The fact of the matter is that your argument bears quite a hefty burden of proof and it's a much more difficult position from which to argue. Don't get me wrong, you're an excellent debater but you seem to be holding an indefensible position. Unless you can find substantive proof or a figure that proves that Republican politicians are more discriminated against than Democrats when embroiled in political scandals your position can only be interpreted as opinion and hearsay. It is futile to discuss this point any further unless you can show otherwise.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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The man in question, Carl Stanley McGee, was an AIDE to a politician, not a politician like we are discussing.
Oh, please. Quibble much? The guy in question, Carl Stanley McGee, was the assistant secretary for policy and planning. That's a political position. That isn't a car salesman or an aircraft mechanic we're talking about, it's a professional political flunky rewarded for his loyalty by being given a cushy political post. Was he elected by the people? Nope. But he wouldn't hold the job if his buddy hadn't been elected by the people.
Claiming this guy isn't a politician is like claiming Donald Rumsfeld isn't a politician.
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Again, we're talking about politicians here. He was a judge, not a politician.
Do you live in America? Explain to the audience how judges become judges. Have you never seen a campaign add for a judge? When I lived in Canada and I had a TV, I saw campaign ads for judges on the US TV channels all the time. In the US a judgeship is as political a position as it is possible to get. Judgeships aren't awarded on the basis of how well one knows the law -- they are decided purely on popularity (i.e., decided through political methods). Hell, to sit on the Supreme Court one needn't even have a law degree! You just need to be appointed by a politician and confirmed by enough other politicians.
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You're talking about Anish Eapan, a ward superintendent and essentially a bureaucrat.
What is a ward superintendent? Is it someone who calibrates microscopes or delivers parcels? No, a ward superintendent is a political hack who handles party politics in a certain sector of a city. The fact that this guy wasn't elected makes his function no less political. And again, if this guy was a Republican, would his party affiliation have been concealed? No way.
But let's place the blame where it really lies -- on the ones who appointed this guy, knowing he would help them rig the vote. They too were Dem politicians (councilmen), though their party affiliation is a mystery if all you have to go on is the article. This vote-rigging scandal was a Dem criminal act from top to bottom, but none of the perpetrators have their party affiliation listed.
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"State Auditor and Inspector." I can't help but notice that we've been through this before...
Are you from England or Canada or what? Is your claim that State Auditors are not politicians? State Auditors are politicians. Hence the note in the article that "The nine-count indictment alleges Jeff and Lori McMahan received jewelry, trips and excessive contributions to Jeff McMahan's first campaign in 2002."
Campaign, Virus. As in political campaign run with the intent of winning a seat in the State Legislature. As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_McMahan_%28politician%29
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That is essentially what you've done here... gave me a bunch of people who aren't politicians and asked me why the media didn't lambast them for being Democrats.
But that's the thing. These folks are politicians. I wouldn't have listed the articles if they weren't politicians.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Here's another example of the MSM protecting their own. I realize the player in question is not a politician, but the principle illustrated is exactly the same. From San Francisco's KGO-TV: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=5956230
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The ABC7 I-Team has the inside story of what lead up to the arrest of popular talk-radio host, Bernie Ward, on federal child pornography charges. . . . Bernie Ward got indicted in December and got fired from his job at KGO Radio, effective at the end of last year. Now, police reports just obtained by the I-Team tell us who blew the whistle on Ward, and how he came to send the woman child porn, by his own admission.
Are any of you wondering if Ward has any particular political leanings? You can't tell from the KGO story.
When Rush Limbaugh ran into trouble with the law a couple of years back, news stories on the subject routinely described him as conservative. Since the article never mentions Ward's political leanings, we can safely conclude Bernie Ward must be a liberal talk show host. And sure enough, he is. Quelle surprise!
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Is KGO TV really a member of the dreaded MSM?
Is that really the "mainstream"?
I would consider "mainstream" to be something like the national ABC news.
But I can see why you wouldn't want to post their take on the story, since the second line refutes your entire contrived argument.
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Talk Radio Host Indicted on Child Porn Charges Liberal Host, Former Priest's Lawyer Says He Was Only Researching a Book
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3980105&page=1
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I have no doubt one or two articles called him a liberal talk show host. The point is, if he had been a conservative talk show host, all articles would have. The Rush business went on for weeks and weeks -- long past the time when every newswatcher in the country knew Rush was a conservative. Yet without fail each succeeding update would start of something like "Conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh appeared in court today... blah blah blah" or "The files of the physicians who prescribed Oxycontin to conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh were subpoenaed today ..."
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8027891 - 02/15/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am absolutely unable to locate one article where he is not referred to quite clearly as a liberal talk radio guy. This assertion is usually in the first paragraph.
Again, I don't buy your pet theory at all
It is patently false.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I am absolutely unable to locate one article where he is not referred to quite clearly as a liberal talk radio guy.
Yeah, because you looked so damned hard. I typed Bernie Ward into Google, and found these just as fast as I could load them onto my screen and read them:
Here, from the San Francisco Chronicle --
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/23/BAJDUK49R.DTL
is this guy a conservative or a liberal? Gee.... it's a mystery.
From the San Francisco Examiner --
http://www.examiner.com/a-1179422~Indicted_talk_show_host_plans_to_challenge_porn_laws.html
Well... we find out he's a former priest and he runs a show called Godtalk, but we aren't told if he's a member of the dreaded rightwing moral majority Jeebus worshippers or if he's a Libbie.
Another article from the Examiner -- still no mention that this guy is a Libbie:
http://www.examiner.com/a-1222642~Police_report_points_to_woman_who_turned_in_Ward.html
How about the San Francisco Sentinel? No mention of Ward's political bent here, either. Are we starting to sense a pattern?
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=7769
Over to NBC. Here we findout he hosted a political talk show, but we are left to guess what his politics are.
http://www.nbc11.com/news/15305360/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news
Here's the national version of the same story, on MSNBC --
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23174471/
So did I find any MSM articles where we are told he's a Lib? A couple, but we really have to dig to get the goods:
In this CBS/AP piece we wait till fifteen paragraphs into the story before he's identified as a liberal -- http://cbs5.com/local/bernie.ward.porn.2.604445.html
Here, we learn his political affiliation in the very last line of the piece --
http://www.nbc11.com/news/14793696/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news
So is this just a little bit different from the way Rush Limbaugh was treated? Any fair individual reviewing the evidence would have to admit... fuck yeah.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Yeah... your total dearth of evidence has not advanced your argument at all. For every example you have given of a mainstream media source mentioning a scandalous conservative politician's political alignment early in the article I've found the same thing for a liberal (see my response to your previous post). I have also come across several examples of a Democrat's political party being mentioned much later in the article or not at all. Frankly your argument holds almost no water.
You are chasing your tail here. You've already arrived at the conclusion you want to believe and are not allowing evidence or the lack thereof to dissuade you.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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A democrat writes to Dear Abby
Dear Abby,
I just got engaged after being paroled from prison for mass murder, my fiancee's brother helped me escape by robbing a bank to get the money to bribe some of the guards. My fiancee was a madam at a house of ill repute and managed to save a lot of money, also my cousin is a Republican. The thing I wanted to ask you is this, should I or shouldn't I tell my fiancee that my cousin is a Republican?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Yeah... your total dearth of evidence has not advanced your argument at all.
Dearth of evidence? What forum are you reading?
I've given almost a dozen examples of Libbie malefactors getting either a completely free pass (their party affiliation never being mentioned at all) or having their bona fides mentioned so deep into an article it might as well not be mentioned at all. So far you've provided ONE Republican example of the same... Mark Foley... where his name is mentioned in the SECOND paragraph of the article rather than the first. And this is supposed to prove your point?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8031823 - 02/16/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes... dearth of evidence. One thing about the examples you've given to support your point- the offenders are all in relatively low-ranking political positions. Party affiliation is not emphasised as much at this level and this holds true for both parties. When one of these people screw up their political party is seldom mentioned in the article, even if they are Republican.
Check this out. Article about Republican Mayor of Providence, Buddy Cianci who was convicted of racketeering conspiracy. His party affiliation is NEVER mentioned in the article and this is coming from the New York Times. You can't get more liberal than that! If you saw any liberal media bias SURELY you'd see it here. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0DD103EF934A3575AC0A9649C8B63
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I've given almost a dozen examples of Libbie malefactors getting either a completely free pass...or having their bona fides mentioned so deep into an article it might as well not be mentioned at all.
Right and I've shown you examples of Liberal perpetrators having their party affiliation mentioned very early in the article. For your benefit I shall list a bunch of examples of politicians (as opposed to judges and petty bureaucrats) that were not given free passes and hopefully this should put this ridiculous discussion to rest:
For your example of Frank Lagrotta, I've already posted an article of his party affiliation being mentioned in the first paragraph. How convenient that you don't mention this...
Here's another example... when Don Perata (D-CA) called San Diegan conservatives "crackers." Note that his party affiliation is mentioned in the SECOND SENTENCE: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060804-9999-7m4perata.html
Here's former Mayor of Orlando, Dem Buddy Dyer indicted for violating state election law: In this one his membership in the Democratic party is mentioned in the SUBTITLE: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/12/State/Orlando_Mayor_Dyer_is.shtml
Here's one of Maryland state Senator Thomas Bromwell (D-MD) being nailed for making racist remarks. Party affiliation mentioned in FIRST SENTENCE: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-te.md.bromwell22mar22,0,4485493.story
Is that enough for you? Clearly you've based your assumption on faulty/no data and the evidence does not support it. I hardly expect you to acknowledge this or to admit that you have erred in judgment.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Check this out. Article about Republican Mayor of Providence, Buddy Cianci who was convicted of racketeering conspiracy. His party affiliation is NEVER mentioned in the article and this is coming from the New York Times. You can't get more liberal than that! If you saw any liberal media bias SURELY you'd see it here. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0DD103EF934A3575AC0A9649C8B63
His party affiliation probably wasn't mentioned because he didn't have one. From your link:
"Voters will chose a successor for Mr. Cianci, who was elected as an independent"
From his wiki:
"After this loss, Cianci drifted away from the Republican Party and by 1982 he had become an Independent."
20 years before his conviction.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8032189 - 02/16/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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My mistake, I was in a rush . The point still stands though and you still have yet to prove your liberal media bias theory, especially in light of the articles I've provided that prominently display Democrat party affiliation with scandal-embroiled politicians.
To compensate for my fuckup in the last post, here's some better examples of Republican politicians having their parties omitted or mentioned late in the article. This is from the DC Madam scandal. David Vitter, Republican senator from Louisiana, exposed for visiting a hooker. Party never mentioned in article: http://www.wdsu.com/news/13657113/detail.html
Another guy from the DC madam scandal. The best part about this guy is that when he was head of USAID, he required recipients of US aid to submit a legal document denouncing prostitution. One year later he's wrung up for fucking prostitutes in his spare time Goddamn I love these Republicans. No mention of the word Republican in this one: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/27/dc.madam/index.html
Jim West, Republican Mayor of Spokane connected to several gay scandals. His membership as a Republican only mentioned deep into the article... http://www.spokesmanreview.com/jimwest/story.asp?ID=050505_westmain
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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The Vitter article, which is in a local NO media, does indeed not mention Vitter's party. Perhaps because an article the previous day started off like this:
"WASHINGTON -- Sen. David Vitter is apologizing for what he called "a very serious sin" in his past.
The Louisiana Republican said his telephone number..."
and presumably the locals know his party.
In regard to the second guy, Randal Tobias, his wiki doesn't mention any party affiliation either, perhaps because he wasn't a politician. He had zero public service until he was appointed AIDS czar, which was the complete total of his public service.
Finally there's an article about Jim West, Mayor of Spokane in a local Spokane newspaper. Once again, one might assume that the readers of the local Spokane newspaper would already be well aware of their mayors party affiliation. The NY Times, on the other hand, announced it thusly:
"SPOKANE, Wash., Dec. 7 - Seven months after a newspaper reported that Mayor Jim West, one of this state's most prominent conservative Republicans, was a closeted gay man..." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/national/08west.html?scp=2&sq=spokane+mayor+jim+west&st=nyt
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Neither of you guys is going to prove anything by dredging up random articles.
Exactly. We're getting bogged down in details and losing the main point. The original assertion by Phred was in 2 parts, i) Quote:
whenever a politician is caught doing something wrong, if it's a Republican, his party affiliation is trumpeted in the headline of the article. If not in the headline, then in the very first sentence of the piece.
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If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.
Point ii is easily dealt with by citing several articles that show scumbag Democrat politicians having their party affiliation being prominently touted early on in the articles. This has been done already.
That leaves point i, which is much harder to prove and is very wide in scope. In order to really get a good, unbiased answer for that one you'd have to have a study where someone's examined a cross-section of hundreds of articles pertaining to corrupt politicians and see if their party affiliation is discussed. The burden of proof is on Phred for that one since he made the claim. I've listed articles where that's not the case and I'm sure he could show me some where it is. We could sit here linking articles all day long that seem to prove our side is correct but in the end it's all speculation unless someone gathers and analyses a bunch of raw data proving or disproving the existence of a liberal media bias.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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The entire idea of a Main-Stream Media Bias is a Rush Limbaugh invention.
It is absolutely w/out any truth or merit.
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"I admit it- the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures." William Kristol, as reported by the New Yorker, 5/22/95
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If that is a correct quote one might note an interesting thing. The date. It's May of 1995, right after the Republicans took control of Congress for the first time in DECADES. He might have been a bit giddy and the liberals in the media may have forgotten that they actually had anything to worry about. They're back now, though.
Liberal bias in the MSM is no myth. They self-report their political affiliations as overwhelmingly liberal, they overwhelmingly donate to Dems and there is no way this can't creep in. Now we need to define just what the MSM is. It is not the Spokane Times Picayune. The MSM consists of these elements.
Liberal (very): NY Times Washington Post LA Times
Conservative (mostly but often utterly apolitical): Wall Street Journal
Liberal: ABC NBC CBS CNN MSNBC
Conservative: Fox
Liberal: Time Newsweek
Conservative: National Review
I picked these because they have a national reach. There are certainly other media but they just don't have the audience. Then there's radio which is overwhelmingly Conservative. And the general entertainment media (Hollywood) which is so overwhelmingly Liberal that Conservative actors often will not speak out for fear of being informally black listed.
Phred's observation about that stuff is not wrong, it's just not that absolute. It's more of a general trend, maybe just a slight one, but there nonetheless.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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What is your basis for painting every major cable news outlet as "liberal"?
I consume news from every one of those channels on a regular basis. I just don't see the blatant bias like exists on Fox News.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I just picked two. Do you disagree that CNN and MSNBC are liberal? Two names; Eason Jordan and Chris Matthews. There is only 1 that can be called conservative at all.
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Oh yeah, and the bull goose looney moonbat of them all, Keith Olberman.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Nancy Grace?
Glenn Beck? (I don't know if beck is on CNN or MSNBC)
At any rate, the talking heads are irrelevant. I assume you believe the actual newscasts are biased? That things detrimental to Progressive causes are either not reported or under-reported?
I just don't see this.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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What's Progressive?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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It's May of 1995, right after the Republicans took control of Congress for the first time in DECADES. He might have been a bit giddy and the liberals in the media may have forgotten that they actually had anything to worry about. They're back now, though.
What are you even saying here? The liberals in the media forgot they had anything to worry about? Not following you.
Some neocons are very earnest about their intentions and I can respect that to some degree. Why not take Mr. Kristol's word for it?
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I think that they took Democrat control of Congress for granted and thought they would never lose. 1994 was quite a wake up call. The Dems lost a lot of seats in the House all at once.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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And if there really was such an overwhelming liberal media bias why has there not been more coverage of the protests to the Iraq War plastered all over the news?
You'd figure that the evil liberal media, if they truly existed, would spare no opportunity to show these protests and pass up an opportunity to slam the war.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Because they're a figment of your imagination.Quote:
You'd figure that the evil liberal media, if they truly existed, would spare no opportunity to show these protests and pass up an opportunity to slam the war.
The opportunity they have passed up is to report on Iraq success. Coverage of the Iraq War has cratered.
http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080204.asp#5
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Media Research Center analysts tracked all coverage of the Iraq war on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts from September 1 through January 31, and we documented a steady decline in TV coverage of Iraq that has coincided with the improving situation in Iraq. Back in September, the three evening newscasts together broadcast 178 stories about the war in Iraq; in January, that number fell to just 47, a nearly fourfold decrease.
Click the link for a lovely graph. edited for link
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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I think that they took Democrat control of Congress for granted and thought they would never lose. 1994 was quite a wake up call. The Dems lost a lot of seats in the House all at once.
Okay but that has absolutely nothing to do with Kristol's quote. He's talking about how when conservatives fuck up they blame their failures on a liberal-controlled media, which he calls "not that powerful." The myth of a powerful liberal media being a convenient excuse to whip out whenever a conservative policy doesn't work.
What are you saying here? That the liberal media was silent until the Democrats lost control of Congress at which point they started overflowing the news with bias? I'm still really confused about what you're saying.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Because they're a figment of your imagination.
Iraq War protests are a figment of my imagination?! Are you insane? One of the protests was the largest anti-war protest in human history. You're really losing it, zappa.
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and we documented a steady decline in TV coverage of Iraq that has coincided with the improving situation in Iraq
Well that's probably because things HAVEN'T been improving. Madtown and I had a really drawn out discussion about this in the Armenian genocide thread before Phred closed it Violence toward American troops has steadily increased over the course of the war. Might the reason that there have been less reports of things being all dandy and happy in Iraq be because things are in fact fucked up and chaotic? I don't see the failure to cover an improving situation as a liberal bias, I see it as a bias towards reality.
I'll resurrect this graph from the last thred to prove the point:

By the way, it's hard to take a citation from an overtly-conservative, reactionary source (MRC) at face value. Like they're not at all biased themselves They call themselves "The Media Research Center" as that's supposed to give the veneer of objectivity yet in their bookstore they have a book called, "Weapons of Mass Distortion: The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media." Great work! What an objective source
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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What I am saying is that Kristol's point about them not being so powerful was made just before they got the biggest wake up call most of them ever had. They were sleeping, they lost, they woke up. When he made his point they had probably just been jolted out of their most quiescent period and had not yet got it back and rolling at full steam. Don't forget, they thought they had just installed a Democrat President, too. They got burnt for their laziness.
I don't think they're quite all that any more. The internet is cutting some of their shit off. I just thought it was interesting about when Kristol made the remark. I wonder how he feels now. Maybe the same.
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Because they're a figment of your imagination.
Iraq War protests are a figment of my imagination?! Are you insane? One of the protests was the largest anti-war protest in human history. You're really losing it, zappa.
Really? And where was that?Quote:
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and we documented a steady decline in TV coverage of Iraq that has coincided with the improving situation in Iraq
Well that's probably because things HAVEN'T been improving. Madtown and I had a really drawn out discussion about this in the Armenian genocide thread before Phred closed it Violence toward American troops has steadily increased over the course of th war. Might the reason that there have been less reports of things being all dandy and happy in Iraq be because things are in fact fucked up and chaotic?
I'll resurrect this graph from the last thred to prove the point:

Link? My graph charts coverage from the period AFTER your graph. How come your graph ends when it does and doesn't have any years on it? Try this one that goes through the period of the coverage statistics in my prior post. http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/iraq_by_the_numbers.php I don't know how to post the graphs. Perhaps you would be so kind. There's quite a few of them. None of them look like yours.Quote:
By the way, it's hard to take a citation from an overtly-conservative, reactionary source (MRC) at face value. Like they're not at all biased themselves They call themselves "The Media Research Center" as that's supposed to give the veneer of objectivity yet in their bookstore they have a book called, "Weapons of Mass Distortion: The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media." Great work! What an objective source
It really is something easy to check. Find something that says otherwise. Although I don't watch the TV news I do read the NY Times everyday and the war has been mostly driven off the front page.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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What I am saying is that Kristol's point about them not being so powerful was made just before they got the biggest wake up call most of them ever had. They were sleeping, they lost, they woke up. When he made his point they had probably just been jolted out of their most quiescent period and had not yet got it back and rolling at full steam. Don't forget, they thought they had just installed a Democrat President, too. They got burnt for their laziness.
Man, you're starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist here. To summarise, the Democratic party pulls the strings of its hydra-headed monster "THE LIBERAL MEDIA" and can turn on and turn off the propaganda spigot at will. Well let's see... the congressional election was in 1994 and Mr. Kristol's comment was in May 1995, a few months after and should have been enough time for the Democratic party, through their media accomplices (wink wink), to turn on the propaganda spigot and flood the media with unmitigated bias. His quotation doesn't seem to imply that and in fact appears to negate the notion of this even being a possibility.
This is a really desperate attempt to try and twist Bill Kristol's words and not make them sound like what he's really saying... that the powerful liberal media myth is BULLSHIT!
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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I don't at all think the Dems pull the strings. I think the media are their fellow travelers honestly.
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Really? And where was that?
How about the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. There were 2 million protesters in London alone. Some figment of my imagination...
Oh and if you click on the graph I showed you before it says it's from the Brookings Insitute and it says right there on the graph that it starts in June '03.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Double post, and a fucked up quote to boot.
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Oops, didn't see that. My browser was all messed up before, that may have caused it. Fixed.
Honest mistake dude but ban? That's a little harsh I'm still relatively new here and learning the rules of the road. Try helping a noob out instead of trying to get one banned...sheesh.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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I'm totally kidding.
Internet sarcasm is just hard to convey sometimes.
But I really am kidding. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. And you would never get a ban for a double post. Or a fucked up quote.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Haha, my bad, I totally take most things seriously unless they have one of those goofy smiley things next to it. Duly noted on both accounts. I'll try to keep my fuckups to a minimum though 
I've loved hanging out in the politics forum and will be missing all of you guys in the coming few weeks... going to Brazil tomorrow on holiday and wont be back for a while. It's been great mixing it up with all of you and honing the ol' debate skills. Take it easy, Shroomery.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Really? And where was that?
How about the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. There were 2 million protesters in London alone. Some figment of my imagination...
Oh and if you click on the graph I showed you before it says it's from the Brookings Insitute and it says right there on the graph that it starts in June '03.
I would have been here much sooner but there seemed to be some issue with the Shroomery. As in, I couldn't get on.
If I click on the graph, nothing happens, left or right. Nor was it possible to read that tiny script that stated the first June was from 2003. Why is there still no linkage? I dunno.
Anyway, if it starts in June of '03 then it ends in November (as near as I can tell) of '06. How creative of you to provide a graph ending in 2006 disputing my assertion about media coverage from September 2007 to January 2008. Since very few here ever click a link I will give the data from my graph of "three evening newscasts together broadcast 178 stories about the war in Iraq"
September 07.....178 October..........108 November..........68 December..........61 January 08........47
This coincides quite nicely with the graphs describing the success of the activity commenced in the Spring and Summer of 2007, which bore fruit in the Fall and Winter of 2007-2008 in the form of greatly decreased enemy activity. See (repeat link for those who already looked) http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/iraq_by_the_numbers.php
So, let me summarize: I point out a decrease in news coverage for the period from September 2007 to January 2008 coinciding with a decrease in violence and an overall increase in SUCCESS and you counter with a non linked, illegible graph that covers the period of June 2003 to November 2006.
Now, you may honestly take exception to my source for the decline in stories. In that case, feel free to provide any counter intel to THAT. Today's NY Times front page: Zero.
Anything you might link to regarding this greatest evah anti-war protest would be appreciated. It made a HUGE splash in NYC. When was it again? I can only conclude that anything you say is dishonest debate.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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I've got a few moments to kill here in the terminal so what the hell. First of all, if you click 'view the page' for the graph you can see it's from the Brookings Institute. But here's the entire report on pdf file for your perusal: http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
The surge does indeed appear to correlate with a decrease in violence in the past few months but this is hardly a sign of victory and success in Iraq. If you look at the overall trend of violence toward coalition troops there have been peaks and valleys but the upward trend has been consistent since 2003.There is no indication that this recent decrease is a permanent trend and it may just be another valley to be followed by a spike in violence. We will need to wait a little longer before declaring "Mission Accomplished" to see if this is going to work out. From the report: "On balance, Iraq at the end of July is showing significant signs of battlefield momentum in favor of U.S./coalition military forces, but there is nonetheless little good to report on the political front and only modest progress on the economic side of things."
If you look at the charts toward the end of the report (page 49 and on) there are some very revealing statistics that show that Iraqis want us out of the country and that a majority of the country supports attacks on coalition troops. One can only assume that these numbers have increased since the surge. Page 55 of the report:
APPROVAL OF ATTACKS ON US-LED FORCES January 2006 September 2006
Overall 47% 61% Shia 41% 62% Sunni 88% 92% Kurd 16% 15%
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Anything you might link to regarding this greatest evah anti-war protest would be appreciated. It made a HUGE splash in NYC. When was it again?
15 February 2003. "Between six and 10 million people are thought to have marched in up to 60 countries over the weekend - the largest demonstrations of their kind since the Vietnam War." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2765215.stm
From the Guinness Book of World Records: http://web.archive.org/web/20040904214302/http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=54365
Here is a catalog of Iraq War protests from wikipedia since 2003. The news coverage for these protests has been minimal. Now because of this, I'm not going to declare a conservative media bias but I'm simply making the point that if the liberals thoroughly controlled the media you would be seeing news of these protests plastered all over the headlines. This has not been the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_2003_Iraq_war
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Now, you may honestly take exception to my source for the decline in stories. In that case, feel free to provide any counter intel to THAT. Today's NY Times front page: Zero.
OK. Here's an op-ed piece from the liberal New York Times from July 2007 that takes a favourable view of the surge and the chance to "win" in Iraq. This damned liberal media bias is killing me! I know you're going to try and downplay this, let's just see how...http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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I can only conclude that anything you say is dishonest debate.
Coming from a guy who claims that Iraq War protests are a figment of my imagination and who uses a blatantly conservative source to attempt to prove that a liberal media bias exists. You sir are ridiculous.
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And yet you persist with old news that is irrelevant to any decline in news coverage from 9/07 to 1/08 or even addresses attacks in that period.
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15 February 2003. "Between six and 10 million people are thought to have marched in up to 60 countries over the weekend - the largest demonstrations of their kind since the Vietnam War." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2765215.stm
One might say yipee. Five years ago a rabble scattered over 60 countries marched on the same day. Yipee.
I picked a random one from a more recent time in the wiki. January 27, 2007.
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UFPJ had hoped for up to a million people attending,[citation needed] and it was announced at the protest that aerial photography had estimated that at least 500,000 showed up. The Associated Press has stated that the march drew "tens of thousands".
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Cool! I have a reliable internet connection here. 
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And yet you persist with old news that is irrelevant to any decline in news coverage from 9/07 to 1/08 or even addresses attacks in that period.
I still refuse to acknowledge that study from MRC as it is inherently biased due to its conservative allegiances and thus its findings are not to be trusted. It is total rubbish. Find me something with a little more credibility and objectivity and we'll chat.
If you want to see something really interesting check out this study published by the project World Public Opinion in 2003. Their findings indicate "widespread misconceptions on Iraq highly related to support for war." In the study, a large portion of viewers of Mainstream Media were shown to be labouring under misconceptions that would predispose them to being in favour of the Iraq War, in other words, pro-Iraq War propaganda. Over 60% of viewers polled had at least one of the three misconceptions mentioned in the study. This does not bear the mark of what a liberal media bias would produce and from this study one could actually make an argument for that there is a conservative media bias but I wont go that far... http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102
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One might say yipee. Five years ago a rabble scattered over 60 countries marched on the same day. Yipee.
A rabble? Six to ten million people is an insignificant rabble to you? There were two million alone in London's Hyde Park during that protest. Coverage of these protests would be front page news every time one broke out if the media had a true alliance to the left wing but instead the coverage has been paltry at best. Come off it.
Let's try to keep to the original point. There is no credible evidence for a liberal media bias.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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And yet you persist with old news that is irrelevant to any decline in news coverage from 9/07 to 1/08 or even addresses attacks in that period.
I still refuse to acknowledge that study from MRC as it is inherently biased due to its conservative allegiances and thus its findings are not to be trusted. It is total rubbish. Find me something with a little more credibility and objectivity and we'll chat.
No, YOU find something that refutes it. Today's NY Times, zero articles on Iraq. It is so obvious a blind squirrel can see itQuote:
If you want to see something really interesting check out this study published by the project World Public Opinion in 2003. Their findings indicate "widespread misconceptions on Iraq highly related to support for war." In the study, a large portion of viewers of Mainstream Media were shown to be labouring under misconceptions that would predispose them to being in favour of the Iraq War, in other words, pro-Iraq War propaganda. Over 60% of viewers polled had at least one of the three misconceptions mentioned in the study. This does not bear the mark of what a liberal media bias would produce and from this study one could actually make an argument for that there is a conservative media bias but I wont go that far... http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102
2003 again? Irrelevant again? Surprise that people are stupid and ill informed? One of their "misperceptions" was about WMDs found in Iraq. Some have been found. Another one of their "misperceptions" was that there were ties between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda. This is not a misperception. There were ties. They "misperceive" what a "misperception" is.Quote:
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One might say yipee. Five years ago a rabble scattered over 60 countries marched on the same day. Yipee.
A rabble? Six to ten million people is an insignificant rabble to you? There were two million alone in London's Hyde Park during that protest. Coverage of these protests would be front page news every time one broke out if the media had a true alliance to the left wing but instead the coverage has been paltry at best. Come off it.
Let's try to keep to the original point. There is no credible evidence for a liberal media bias.
Yes there is and I produced some of it. Here's a little more, from a liberal news channel.
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125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/
And 6 million scattered morons in 60 countries does not impress me. I remember the 60s and early 70s and those, sir, aint it. Not by a longshot.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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No, YOU find something that refutes it. Today's NY Times, zero articles on Iraq. It is so obvious a blind squirrel can see it
I already have. You're picking the New York Times as a benchmark comparison to base your argument for a liberal media bias? That would be like me using Fox News to argue that the media is conservative.
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2003 again? Irrelevant again?
This is, in fact, not relevant and actually proves my point quite well.
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One of their "misperceptions" was about WMDs found in Iraq. Some have been found.
That's funny. The only source I have found that agrees with what you've just said happens to be, oh wonder of wonders, Fox News. The chief of the CIA and the Iraq Study group have both independently claimed that the existence of Saddam's WMD programme is a bunch of rubbish:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3718150.stm
The study from before shows people were given incorrect conservative propaganda where they should have been given news. During the lead up to the Iraq War the media was essentially a mouthpiece for the White House announcing its dishonest proclamations and pretenses for war as if they were undisputed truths.
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Another one of their "misperceptions" was that there were ties between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda. This is not a misperception. There were ties.
Wrong again.Where are you getting this utter garbage? There is a consensus amongst intelligence experts as well as a recently released Pentagon Report (April 2007), the CIA (2005 Report), the 9/11 Commission Report, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2006) that completely contradict what you just said. Are you going to tell me you know better than all of these people? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040502263.html http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/saddam-had-no-links-to-alqaeda/2006/09/09/1157222383981.html
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125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
Finally! You've put something forward to advance your argument that isn't bullshit! I'll give you this point, this prevalence of Democrats is definitely looking into and would give some credence to there being a liberal streak in the news. HOWEVER...
You're not going to be able to successfully play down the war protests. They have been numerous and they have been large. They have also been blacked out by American media. You still can't answer why the liberal media wouldn't play up war protests and show as much coverage as they could and even play it up in some instances.
Your way of looking at the entire MSM like some sort of monolithic entity that leans toward the Democratic party is somewhat naive. I think from our discussion it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that one can make the argument that there are streaks of both conservative and liberal biases going on. Your Fox News is another man's New York Times. I give you credit for pointing out the prevalence of Democrats but I also think that the media has been incredibly complicit in dispensing falsified Republican propaganda.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Okay, I know this is off topic, but I really can't let this slide.
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Wrong again.Where are you getting this utter garbage? There is a consensus amongst intelligence experts as well as a recently released Pentagon Report (April 2007), the CIA (2005 Report), the 9/11 Commission Report, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2006) that completely contradict what you just said. Are you going to tell me you know better than all of these people?
The ties between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorists was so well-documented in the open source media from the Nineties that it is ridiculous to try to claim there were none. Hell... Hussein even offered Osama bin Laden safe haven in Iraq when Sudan gave him the boot. He chose to go to Afghanistan instead, but the offer was made nonetheless. Post-invasion, tons of documentation was recovered showing even more involvement between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorists. Lots of that documentation is still being translated, so let's not even use it. Just the stuff reported in the New York Times, the Washington Post, The Guardian, the Times of London, Newsweek, Time magazine, and all three major US networks back when Clinton was still prez will do.
If you want to take this further, open another thread or bump and old one. There are dozens of old threads in the archive going into much greater detail about this than I have.
Was Hussein sheltering or assisting any of the planeers of the 9/11 attacks? There is no evidence he was. But there's a fuck of a lot more Islamic terrorists in the world than just the ones who did 9/11.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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We're really getting off-topic here but there's no way I'm not gonna respond to that.
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The ties between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorists was so well-documented in the open source media from the Nineties that it is ridiculous to try to claim there were none. Hell... Hussein even offered Osama bin Laden safe haven in Iraq when Sudan gave him the boot.
You think? What Islamic terrorists are you referring to? Surely you don't mean Al Qaeda? Saddam was essentially a secular leader and did not get along well at all with Islamic terrorists! I mean, they were so close that Osama bin Laden was sponsoring anti-Saddam Kurdish forces in Northern Iraq during the 1990s. Check out what the 9/11 Commission Report has to say about this. It makes for a very entertaining read:
"Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation with Iraq, even though Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an Islamist agenda—save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the faithful against "Crusaders" during the Gulf War of 1991. Moreover, Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into his Islamic army....
With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request. As described below, the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections. There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein’s efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.
In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December. Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative... But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."Link
Best of buddies, right? There were meetings but no cooperative action ever materialised between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
Additionally, one of bin Laden's interviewers, Hamid Mir, has him on record saying some pretty nasty things about Saddam in 1997. This illustrates some of the ideology keeping the two from uniting:
"He condemned Saddam Hussein in my interview. He gave such kind of abuses that it was very difficult for me to write, [calling Hussein a] socialist motherfucker. [He said], "The land of the Arab world, the land is like a mother, and Saddam Hussein is fucking his mother." (From Peter Bergen's book, "The Osama bin Laden I know")Link
Pretty rough stuff.
Have you heard of the 2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report? Well if not the I'll bring you up to speed.
On the final page it concludes that the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans had "developed, produced, and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and al Qaida relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the Intelligence Community, to senior decision-makers."Link
The report called these actions "inappropriate" though not "illegal"... cute, huh?
To summarise, like I said before, there was a documented, concerted effort to deceive the American people and the media was entirely complicit... but we digress, don't we?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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This is now way off topic and I myself have provided links to this in other threads.
There is a liberal media bias. Do you have anything to refute this?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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You really haven't proved at all that there is a liberal media bias but this discussion has stagnated. This is getting repetitive and neither of us are going to get anything out of this... I have already discussed my point and you yours. Time to move on...
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Hussein's well-known and well-documented support for Islamic terrorists has been thoroughly proven over and over again in past threads in this forum. You're hardly the first to try to claim there were no such ties, you know... 9/11 happened over six years ago.
But it is off topic for this thread, so I will take it no further here, except to say you have failed in making your case. See any of about seven or eight dozen past threads in the forum archives.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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I will take it no further here, except to say you have failed in making your case.
Yeah, ok. It's quite clear that you have intellectual blinders on. I don't need to make the case since it has already been made by the 9/11 Commission Report, the 2006 Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, former CIA chief George Tenet, the Defence Department, CIA reports and the latest 2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report. If you still believe the Bush administration propaganda at this point you are truly hopeless.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Hussein's well-known and well-documented support for Islamic terrorists has been thoroughly proven over and over again in past threads in this forum. You're hardly the first to try to claim there were no such ties, you know... 9/11 happened over six years ago.
But it is off topic for this thread, so I will take it no further here, except to say you have failed in making your case. See any of about seven or eight dozen past threads in the forum archives.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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The entire idea of a Main-Stream Media Bias is a Rush Limbaugh invention.
It is absolutely w/out any truth or merit.
Uh huh. Here's CNN's article about the breaking prostitution scandal involving New York's governor. Read it from top to bottom and tell us just where it is mentioned that Spitzer is a Democrat. Take your time.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
The New York Times did get around to mentioning he is a Democrat... in the fifteenth paragraph.
Then we have examples like this --
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Blotter/popup?id=2841254&contentIndex=1&page=11
This is an ABC News slideshow reviewing thirteen famous political sex scandals. A dozen of them involve elected officials. One involves a political appointee.
Five are Democrats, seven are Republicans.
Of the Dems listed, only one out of the five is identified as a Democrat, while six out of the seven Republicans are identified. The one unelected official is identified as a political appointee of President Bush's, so while his party affiliation isn't actually mentioned ABC makes sure we know which side he's playing on.
But there's no MSM bias. This is all just accidental. Uh huh. Even though it keeps happening -- over and over and over again.
To the MSM and Libbies (but I repeat myself) only Republican scandals are, in fact, Republican scandals. Democratic scandals are never identified as such -- they are instead (in the nuanced view of the press) either scandals of a particular man alone or of "the System" in general.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Are you kidding me? You KNOW what you are writing isn't true.
This is the main headline on the CNN. These exact same words. HUGE. You can't miss it. This is the also the opening paragraph of the main story on this subject.
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Will sex scandal sink New York governor?
Before Monday, Eliot Spitzer was a rising star in the Democratic Party. Now, after being linked to a prostitution ring, political advisers are split over whether the New York governor has a political future.
They literally could not mention his party affiliation any earlier. They put it in the FIRST SENTENCE.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer.political.survival/index.html
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I wasn't talking about what CNN's followup article of today says about him -- an article not breaking the scandal but instead giving a more in-depth analysis of how he might deal with the scandal -- I was talking about CNN's opening salvo about the scandal. My bad for not providing the link to it right away. I went back and edited in the URL to my original post. I thought I had done that, but obviously I didn't. Again, my bad.
No comment about ABC's slideshow?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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So your viciously partisan and shockingly blatant Lib/Fag/Pinko/Jew media bias only operates on the first day of a scandal?
Is that really the conclusion you want us to draw from this?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I wasn't talking about what CNN's followup article of today says about him -- an article not breaking the scandal but instead giving a more in-depth analysis of how he might deal with the scandal -- I was talking about CNN's opening salvo about the scandal.
What's the difference if it is the article breaking the scandal or the follow-up article? This seems like splitting hairs to me. So you're going to discount every instance of an article that mentions his party affiliation either in the title or the first few sentences merely because it was not the first? That seems like incredibly flawed logic.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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If Spitzer were Republican, would a breaking news story about this kind of scandal fail to mention his party affiliation? Nope.
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So your viciously partisan and shockingly blatant Lib/Fag/Pinko/Jew media bias only operates on the first day of a scandal?
Maybe there is at least one editor at CNN who actually reads blogs. Noting CNN was once again being ridiculed all over the blogosphere for their blatant bias, he directed his staff that followup articles should note Spitzer's political affiliation.
I can't help but note your failure to comment on ABC's slideshow of past scandals. Think you might get around to that?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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I haven't even looked at it.
Will do so right now.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I will go so far as that *3* of the Democrats are not mentioned w/ their party affiliation.
But the fourth is Bill Clinton, and I refuse to accept that anyone who would click on this slideshow in the first place does not know which party Bill Clinton belongs to.
So yes, I would say that in this slideshow there are some Democratic scumsuckers without their party tag affixed to their name.
Could this be an honest mistake or oversight?
Surely Not! It's a conspiracy!
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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I thought wolf blitzer was gonna start crying last night...
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Only one of the Dems is identified as a Dem. Gerry Studds. Period. That's it, that's all. On the other hand every single one of the Reps is identified as a Rep. Without exception. But this isn't deliberate. Oh, no. Could have happened the other way round, too.
Except it never does.
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If by "some" you mean all of them except Studds.
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Could this be an honest mistake or oversight?
If it happened once or twice a year, sure. But this happens all the time, as my previous posts proved so convincingly. You will note that in my previous posts I didn't even bother going back further than the beginning of this year. All my examples occurred in a stretch of six weeks.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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This definitely deserves a continuing look.
We're agreed that the "MSM" is not hiding the fact that Spitzer is a dem? Or do you still contest this?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Look, here's how this works. If a Republican does something wrong, the audience is immediately informed the miscreant is a Republican. Often in the very first word of the headline -- i.e. "Republican Governor Caught Dipping His Wick". If not in the very first word of the headline, then somewhere else in the headline, or in the caption of the accompanying photo. Or in the first sentence of the lede, or at the latest by the end of the first paragraph of the article. This is the case in pretty much nineteen out of twenty articles. Probably even more than nineteen out of twenty.
But if the miscreant is a Democrat, we are often not even told at all his political leanings. Not anywhere in the entire article. I provided nearly a dozen examples of this earlier in the thread, and I could have continued for literally hundreds more. And you will note I only bothered listing a couple of articles where we are finally informed in the very last paragraph or second last paragraph of the piece. I restricted myself mostly to articles where the political affiliation of the miscreant is left a mystery for the entire length of the article. Like that CNN breaking story I linked.
Look, this is big news! A state governor -- not some flunky ward hack, mind you, but one of just fifty governors in the whole nation -- is exposed as a customer of hookers. And it never even occurs to CNN to tell us which party this guy is. I don't know about you, but that's one of the things I would expect an actual news organization to mention.
Can they keep his affiliation a secret forever? Of course not. Sooner or later the omission becomes so embarrassing they have to cave and make a pro forma mention down in the bowels of some opinion piece a day or two down the road.
But this game is so ludicrously one-sided that once you've been tipped off to what they're doing, it becomes hilarious. Seriously, dude... put aside your partisanship for a while and check it out for yourself. You can become a very wealthy individual indeed (if you can find anyone dumb enough to take your bet) by placing sizable wagers on every news article you find where some politician has done something bad and his/her political affiliation isn't mentioned. Hell, you can even lay ten to one odds and still come out a winner -- as long as you always say "Democrat" when asked what the mystery party affiliation is. Yes, every once in blue moon you'll stumble across an article where the unnamed party affiliation is Republican, but that is such a rare occurrence it'll scarcely register as a speed bump to your swelling bank account.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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And all I'm saying is that you're completely wrong!
You say CNN is trying to hide his political affiliation, but YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO CLICK A LINK TO SEE IT.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I clicked the link.
I say again... they can't hide his affiliation forever. Sooner or later enough people give them shit over their careful omission of critical facts that they have no choice but to cave and include it. All I point out is that there is an enormous bias here.
See, if the governor had been a Republican, the freaking first word of the headline of the breaking story would have been "Republican". And you know that's true. But since the guy was a Dem, it just never occurs to them to include that information in the breaking story. It's not until the excitement dies down a little bit and they start digging for some meat that maybe their competitors don't yet have that someone finally muses, "Oh yeah... guess we could mention what party this guy belongs to while we're at it. Seeing as how we're talking about how he was a prosecuting attorney and all. Besides, if we don't mention it, Limbaugh will skewer us."
You see, it's such a deep and ingrained bias that it's probably not even deliberate. They're so keenly tuned to sniff out anything to make the Repubs look bad that when they find it, their fingers reflexively type "republican" as soon as they come to rest on the home key position of the keyboard. But if it's a Dem that is the baddie, then he's not a Dem, per se, he's just a governor. Or a senator. Or a legislator. Or a mayor. Or a councilman. Or a judge. A politician who did something bad. That's a whole different classification of human from a Republican who's done something bad.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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I've come to the same conclusion.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: lonestar2004]
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As a counter to Phred's slideshow...
Everyone's party gets an honorary mention here, except for Jerry Springer : http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politics/2008/03/11/a-timeline-of-politicians-and-prostitutes.html
In this Associated Press summary, only one of the Democrats' and one of the Republicans' party affiliations are mentioned while everyone else goes unmentioned... http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5il_WRtWjoveTQ-9tIuJPjksmQOLwD8VATG900
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Heh. Everyone's getting into the game now. Check out this thread from dill705 --
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8134960/an/0/page/0 --
-- and try to guess which political party the mayor in question belongs to. To save y'all some time, let me tell you right now that nowhere in the fairly lengthy and otherwise quite detailed article does the Associated Press reporter mention the mayor's political affiliation. What does that tell us, boys and girls?
That's right... the mayor is a Dem.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: I clicked the link.
I say again... they can't hide his affiliation forever. Sooner or later enough people give them shit over their careful omission of critical facts that they have no choice but to cave and include it. All I point out is that there is an enormous bias here.
See, if the governor had been a Republican, the freaking first word of the headline of the breaking story would have been "Republican". And you know that's true. But since the guy was a Dem, it just never occurs to them to include that information in the breaking story. It's not until the excitement dies down a little bit and they start digging for some meat that maybe their competitors don't yet have that someone finally muses, "Oh yeah... guess we could mention what party this guy belongs to while we're at it. Seeing as how we're talking about how he was a prosecuting attorney and all. Besides, if we don't mention it, Limbaugh will skewer us."
You see, it's such a deep and ingrained bias that it's probably not even deliberate. They're so keenly tuned to sniff out anything to make the Repubs look bad that when they find it, their fingers reflexively type "republican" as soon as they come to rest on the home key position of the keyboard. But if it's a Dem that is the baddie, then he's not a Dem, per se, he's just a governor. Or a senator. Or a legislator. Or a mayor. Or a councilman. Or a judge. A politician who did something bad. That's a whole different classification of human from a Republican who's done something bad.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8136274 - 03/12/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Phred said: I wasn't talking about what CNN's followup article of today says about him -- an article not breaking the scandal but instead giving a more in-depth analysis of how he might deal with the scandal -- I was talking about CNN's opening salvo about the scandal. My bad for not providing the link to it right away. I went back and edited in the URL to my original post. I thought I had done that, but obviously I didn't. Again, my bad.
No comment about ABC's slideshow?
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Ha - are you kidding? You are just cherry-picking your so-called "evidence" and ignoring what does not support your theory.
And why do you always put your name at the end of your posts? It's pretty obviously who writes this crap.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Heh. Everyone's getting into the game now. Check out this thread from dill705 --
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8134960/an/0/page/0 --
-- and try to guess which political party the mayor in question belongs to. To save y'all some time, let me tell you right now that nowhere in the fairly lengthy and otherwise quite detailed article does the Associated Press reporter mention the mayor's political affiliation. What does that tell us, boys and girls?
That's right... the mayor is a Dem.
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What does "everyone's getting into the game now" even mean? I dont see "everyone" doing anything - all I see in that thread is you hijacking it and attempting to steer it toward some sort of self-referential end.
Anyways, here's my tip of the day: run a google news search for any American mayor, filter out hometown news-outlets from the results, and notice how their party affiliation is often not mentioned. This is consistently true even with stories that do not involve any sort of scandal - even the most mundane newstory usually does not mention party affiliation. Try Mayor Daley. Or Villaraigosa. Or whoever else you want.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: vonhumboldt]
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Anyways, here's my tip of the day: run a google news search for any American mayor, filter out hometown news-outlets from the results, and notice how their party affiliation is often not mentioned. This is consistently true even with stories that do not involve any sort of scandal - even the most mundane newstory usually does not mention party affiliation.
Of course they don't bother mentioning if a mayor is a Republican in just normal stories -- there's no "gotcha" factor. As I said from the beginning, it's in cases of scandals that this bias becomes blatantly obvious.
And no... I'm not just "cherrypicking". This is so common the blogosphere hardly even bothers pointing it out anymore. It's just what MSM reporters and editors do. It's like when Islamic 'splodeydopes self-detonate in crowded areas nobody bothers bewailing the fact anymore either. That's just what they do, man. Another "dog bites man" story.
But if you want to compare the number of examples provided in this thread so far, it's quite obvious that those claiming there is no bias by the press are pretty deficient in giving us examples of scandals involving Republicans where we don't know by the end of the article which party the miscreant belongs to.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Of course they don't bother mentioning if a mayor is a Republican in just normal stories -- there's no "gotcha" factor. As I said from the beginning, it's in cases of scandals that this bias becomes blatantly obvious.
Or could it be that journalists do not have a pattern of mentioning party affiliation but only do so when necessary or important or beneficial to the story? The fact that Senator Larry Craig is a Republican is relevant to the news story of him trying suck some dick in a public restroom considering the high amount of anti-gay legislation and rhetoric on part of the Republican Party at large. Now, in the case of Spitzer, his party affiliation is nearly irreverent because as far as I can tell, the Democratic Party has not been in some sort of anti-prostitution movement. His membership to the party is practically irrelevant to the news story.
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And no... I'm not just "cherrypicking". This is so common the blogosphere hardly even bothers pointing it out anymore. It's just what MSM reporters and editors do. It's like when Islamic 'splodeydopes self-detonate in crowded areas nobody bothers bewailing the fact anymore either. That's just what they do, man. Another "dog bites man" story.
No, I'm pretty sure you're cherry-picking.
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But if you want to compare the number of examples provided in this thread so far, it's quite obvious that those claiming there is no bias by the press are pretty deficient in giving us examples of scandals involving Republicans where we don't know by the end of the article which party the miscreant belongs to.
The deficiency of posters is not proof of media bias - it's proof that no one takes your conspiracy theory seriously enough. But I'll play.
How about a new set of examples? Run a Google News search for both Governor Blagojevich and Governor Ryan - both Illinois governors who are/were involved in scandals. As far as I can tell, the mentioning of party affiliation has zero pattern.
Here's one scandal example: http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_story_060233411.html - No mentioning of the Republican Party whatsoever even though 1/3 of the story was basically a biography of the man who his party affiliation could have been used. If your conspiracy theory is correct, then the journalist of the story would have said he was a Republican. They did not. Why is this?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8141841 - 03/13/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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This AFP photo description claims Spitzer is a Republican. Once in the caption and once in the body of text.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080312/img/ppl-us-politics-newyork-gov-1-4e48f9b2ad981.html
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Oh please, they're the fucking British.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Actually, AFP stands for Agence France Press.
So they're frogs.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Oh noez! It's a worldwide conthpirathy!
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Actually, AFP stands for Agence France Press.
So they're frogs.
I stand corrected.
The intimation is the same.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/03/13/while-no-d-eliot-spitzer-vitter-craig-always-tagged-gop http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/03/13/abc-finally-ids-spitzer-democrat-nbc-fails-third-night
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An examination of the fifteen ABC, CBS and NBC morning and evening news shows through Wednesday night finds Spitzer was called a Democrat just 20% of the time — twice on CBS, once on ABC, and never on NBC.
So how do the networks treat Republicans involved in sex scandals? Always, always as Republicans
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Jesus Christ, zappa! Newsbusters? That's your source? The guys whose slogan is "exposing and combating liberal media bias"? I'm sure their methods are as sound and objective as the last source you gave for this argument, The Media Research Center: "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."
Just to show how ridiculous it is to quote such a blatantly conservative source to try to prove a conservative point I'll show you the findings of Media Matters for America, a clearly liberal source:
Media Matters for America, the liberal media watchdog organization, has conducted a systematic study of the commentary sections in U.S. newspapers. "The results show that in paper after paper, state after state, and region after region, conservative syndicated columnists get more space than their progressive counterparts," they conclude. "Sixty percent of the nation's daily newspapers print more conservative syndicated columnists every week than progressive syndicated columnists." http://www.prwatch.org/node/6453
So as you can see, you can make any argument you like and twist the facts accordingly. Anyone who claims that there is either a liberal or a conservative media bias has an agenda to push. Period.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Jesus Christ, zappa! Newsbusters? That's your source? The guys whose slogan is "exposing and combating liberal media bias"? I'm sure their methods are as sound and objective as the last source you gave for this argument, The Media Research Center: "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."
You might quibble with their analysis or their focus, but you can't quibble with their facts. When they say something wasn't mentioned on a particular news broadcast, it wasn't mentioned. You can theorize all you want about why Spitzer's political affiliation wasn't mentioned, but you can't claim it was mentioned.
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"The results show that in paper after paper, state after state, and region after region, conservative syndicated columnists get more space than their progressive counterparts," they conclude. "Sixty percent of the nation's daily newspapers print more conservative syndicated columnists every week than progressive syndicated columnists."
Why do you think anyone would find this surprising? Of course any managing editor with a brain is going to carry the best syndicated writers out there for his op ed pages, duh. He fleshes out the syndicated columnists with his own local talent, sure (who may all be Libbies), but if he wants quality writers he's gotta go to the syndicated talent pool, and that talent pool is dominated by conservative writers. They are better writers to begin with and they appeal to the average American more than the Libbies do.
So I don't doubt Media Matters figures on this issue. Sounds about right to me.
But there's more to a paper than the Op Ed pages. The examples I provided aren't editorials, they're all straight news articles.
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So as you can see, you can make any argument you like and twist the facts accordingly.
You can make any argument you like, but don't expect people to buy it unless you can back it up. I back up my argument. You... not so much. I have no need to twist facts -- I simply provide example after example after example of the way the press handles Republican malfeasance differently than Democrat malfeasance.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Former Alabama governor who did time after being convicted of corruption is released from prison. Since nowhere in the article are we told this guy's political leanings, what can we deduce?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_re_us/siegelman_release;_ylt=AtbfySLlmi1fKSL56wgnA8qs0NUE
That's right, boys and girls.... chances are about nineteen to one he's a Democrat. Now, I'm not going to even bother googling this guy to confirm he's a Dem. I'm so certain he is (since we aren't told he's a Republican) that I'll accept any bets he isn't a Dem without even checking first. Any size, any odds.
Do I have any takers?
*crickets chirping*
Didn't think so.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Your argument is still retarded and based more on your wish for it to be so than on any evidence. Here are a few examples to highlight the fact that your argument is a pile of unsubstantiated horse shit:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5is_hQ_YDe8B6WJYlYMASndVKjNPQD8VM4ID80 "The once-popular Democrat began serving a sentence of more than seven years in June on his conviction on six bribery-related counts and one obstruction count."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/27cnd-alabama.html?hp "Mr. Siegelman, a Democrat, had been taken to prison immediately following his sentencing last year, an unusual move by federal authorities in a white-collar case.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042402035.html?hpid=moreheadlines -- Mayor busted for propositioning undercover cop posing as a male prostitute --
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District Heights Mayor Arrested in Prostitution Sting By Allison Klein Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, April 24, 2008; 2:14 PM
The mayor of District Heights was arrested early this morning in Washington after allegedly propositioning an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute, police and sources said.
James L. Walls Jr., 30, was arrested at 12:30 a.m. at Sixth and F streets NW and charged with solicitation for lewd and immoral purposes, according to police.
Walls is an ordained Baptist minister, according to the District Heights Web site. He is the former assistant pastor of Greater Light Missionary Baptist Church and is the associate pastor of Forestville New Redeemer Baptist Church.
Walls was elected mayor in May 2006, the youngest person to ever serve as the city's mayor, according to the site. His term runs until 2010.
He is a graduate of Bowie State University and works for the Town of Fairmount Heights as the town administrator, according to the District Heights Web site.
Nowhere in the article are we told this guy's political leanings. Therefore I am willing -- without going to Google to check if this guy is a Democrat or a Republican -- to bet a considerable sum of money that he is a Democrat. You'll have to take my word that I haven't bothered to check. I swear I haven't. In fact, I don't need to, since this is a MSM newspaper reporting a breaking scandal about a political figure. If the guy was a Republican, they would have said so. Therefore it is a cast-iron certainty the guy is a Dem.
Do I have any takers?
*crickets chirping*
Didn't think so.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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calm down phred 
I'd really like to see a study on this. I wonder if it would be hard to do? You probably wouldn't have access to the first drafts of these stories. In the past you and seuss say the stories have been changed after a few hours to include party info.
Do you check on all these stories you notice? Do you ever get repbulicans not mentioned?
You've thrown out enough anecdotes to convince me their may be a trend to not include democratic party members affiliations. I wonder if there's any way someone, or us, could determine whether this is true for any class of stories? Any suggestions? This is an interesting thing you're pushing here.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8324128 - 04/24/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well Phred aside from the fact that it is pointless to bet with anonymous people who have no money, I went and checked the dope out for myself.
He's only 30 and he's already cratered. His lawyer says he told him he didn't do it and he's never lied to him before. He had a pretty impressive thing going on and now he's just another homo without mojo. Will someone please explain to me what it is with these guys and whores. There is so much free pussy and some of it will do what you want and maybe, if your lucky, on any given night, come up with some fun shit you haven't thought of. Morons.
Oh yeah
you were right, he's one of them.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: johnm214]
#8324151 - 04/24/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: calm down phred 
I'd really like to see a study on this. I wonder if it would be hard to do? You probably wouldn't have access to the first drafts of these stories. In the past you and seuss say the stories have been changed after a few hours to include party info.
Do you check on all these stories you notice? Do you ever get repbulicans not mentioned?
You've thrown out enough anecdotes to convince me their may be a trend to not include democratic party members affiliations. I wonder if there's any way someone, or us, could determine whether this is true for any class of stories? Any suggestions? This is an interesting thing you're pushing here.
You know, it doesn't always manifest itself as a non-mention. Sometimes it's just a buried mention. My experience involves the NYTimes. Sooner or later, they get around to party affiliation. One party's mention tends to run more sooner than later. But the NY Times has long since fled the field of objective journalism. I suspect there has been a study dine and I bet Phred is spot on among major media outlets. Throwing in the Boise Register does not balance out the LA Times. Different league.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8324956 - 04/24/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay.... now, several hours later, the Washington Post has expanded the article greatly, adding many more details about this guy. Looks like the word count is at least double what the original article was. Here it is now, in its entirety --
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District Heights Mayor Arrested in Sting Walls, 30, Offered $40 for Sex to Undercover Officer in the District, Police Say
By Allison Klein and Ovetta Wiggins Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, April 25, 2008; Page B03
The mayor of District Heights was arrested early yesterday in the District after allegedly offering an undercover male police officer $40 for sex in a known prostitution area, authorities said.
James L. Walls Jr., 30, was arrested at 12:30 a.m. at Sixth and F streets NW, near Verizon Center. He was charged with solicitation for lewd and immoral purposes, police said. He was issued a citation and released.
Walls, who is single, was known as a rising star among young Democrats in Prince George's County. He was the youngest person elected mayor of District Heights -- a community inside the Beltway with a population of about 6,000. He was elected mayor in May 2006; his term runs until 2010.
He also serves as an associate minister at the Forestville New Redeemer Baptist Church and works for Fairmount Heights as town administrator, according to the District Heights Web site.
Officers regularly conduct sting operations in the area where Walls was arrested, D.C. police said. Sometimes they make as many as 14 arrests a night, said Inspector Brian Bray, head of the narcotics and special investigations unit.
In District Heights, Walls called an emergency meeting yesterday afternoon with city officials to discuss the matter, Vice Mayor Eddie L. Martin said. "This is an unfortunate situation," Martin said.
Walls did not return a phone message seeking comment last night. Martin said that Walls told him he would have no public comment.
Martin declined to reveal what was discussed at the meeting but said the commission offered its support. Martin said he looks forward to the mayor getting "his day in court."
The Rev. Nathaniel Thomas, pastor of Forestville New Redeemer Baptist Church, said he was stunned by the news. "I'm very, very shocked," Thomas said. "But we are praying for him.
"I hope he will put a call to me so we can pray together. . . . I'm not passing judgment. We are innocent until proven guilty," Thomas said.
Thomas said Walls, a graduate of Bowie State University, has attended the church for less than six months.
"He's been a delight," the pastor said, referring to the community work Walls has done with senior citizens. "I know this is going to be a shocker to the congregation."
Del. Carolyn J.B. Howard (D-Prince George's) also expressed surprise, adding that Walls "appeared to be a wonderful young man with a bright future."
According to the District Heights Web site, Walls is president of the Maryland Black Mayors Association and was appointed chairman of the National Conference of Black Mayors-Small Town and Rural Development Committee.
He was elected last year as vice president of tourism for the World Conference of Mayors, the Web site says. In 2006, he was selected as one of the most progressive leaders in the country younger than 40 by the People for the American Way Foundation.
Staff researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.
You will note that even though the URL is the same, the article has changed considerably from what was at the exact same URL several hours ago when I first cut and pasted everything there was. This is why I decided to cut and paste the entire article each time -- to show how these days even providing a link isn't enough to prove a point. The MSM often goes back into the links and changes them radically without noting that they have been changed. I'm not saying this is necessarily dishonest of them, but it can lead to confusion for people trying to follow the evolution of a story.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8325111 - 04/24/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is worse when a priest molests a child?
-------------------- Man has to be man--by choice; he has to hold his life as a value--by choice; he has to learn to sustain it--by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—-by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.”-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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