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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8141860 - 03/13/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oh please, they're the fucking British.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8141904 - 03/13/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, AFP stands for Agence France Press.

So they're frogs.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8141918 - 03/13/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oh noez! It's a worldwide conthpirathy! :whatever:


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8141922 - 03/13/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred said:
Actually, AFP stands for Agence France Press.

So they're frogs.





I stand corrected.

The intimation is the same.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8142608 - 03/13/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/03/13/while-no-d-eliot-spitzer-vitter-craig-always-tagged-gop
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/03/13/abc-finally-ids-spitzer-democrat-nbc-fails-third-night

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An examination of the fifteen ABC, CBS and NBC morning and evening news shows through Wednesday night finds Spitzer was called a Democrat just 20% of the time — twice on CBS, once on ABC, and never on NBC.

So how do the networks treat Republicans involved in sex scandals? Always, always as Republicans




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8142995 - 03/13/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Jesus Christ, zappa! Newsbusters? That's your source? The guys whose slogan is "exposing and combating liberal media bias"? I'm sure their methods are as sound and objective as the last source you gave for this argument, The Media Research Center: "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."

Just to show how ridiculous it is to quote such a blatantly conservative source to try to prove a conservative point I'll show you the findings of Media Matters for America, a clearly liberal source:

Media Matters for America, the liberal media watchdog organization, has conducted a systematic study of the commentary sections in U.S. newspapers. "The results show that in paper after paper, state after state, and region after region, conservative syndicated columnists get more space than their progressive counterparts," they conclude. "Sixty percent of the nation's daily newspapers print more conservative syndicated columnists every week than progressive syndicated columnists."
http://www.prwatch.org/node/6453

So as you can see, you can make any argument you like and twist the facts accordingly. Anyone who claims that there is either a liberal or a conservative media bias has an agenda to push. Period.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8143590 - 03/13/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Jesus Christ, zappa! Newsbusters? That's your source? The guys whose slogan is "exposing and combating liberal media bias"? I'm sure their methods are as sound and objective as the last source you gave for this argument, The Media Research Center: "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."




You might quibble with their analysis or their focus, but you can't quibble with their facts. When they say something wasn't mentioned on a particular news broadcast, it wasn't mentioned. You can theorize all you want about why Spitzer's political affiliation wasn't mentioned, but you can't claim it was mentioned.

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"The results show that in paper after paper, state after state, and region after region, conservative syndicated columnists get more space than their progressive counterparts," they conclude. "Sixty percent of the nation's daily newspapers print more conservative syndicated columnists every week than progressive syndicated columnists."




Why do you think anyone would find this surprising? Of course any managing editor with a brain is going to carry the best syndicated writers out there for his op ed pages, duh. He fleshes out the syndicated columnists with his own local talent, sure (who may all be Libbies), but if he wants quality writers he's gotta go to the syndicated talent pool, and that talent pool is dominated by conservative writers. They are better writers to begin with and they appeal to the average American more than the Libbies do.

So I don't doubt Media Matters figures on this issue. Sounds about right to me.

But there's more to a paper than the Op Ed pages. The examples I provided aren't editorials, they're all straight news articles.

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So as you can see, you can make any argument you like and twist the facts accordingly.




You can make any argument you like, but don't expect people to buy it unless you can back it up. I back up my argument. You... not so much. I have no need to twist facts -- I simply provide example after example after example of the way the press handles Republican malfeasance differently than Democrat malfeasance.





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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8206463 - 03/28/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Former Alabama governor who did time after being convicted of corruption is released from prison. Since nowhere in the article are we told this guy's political leanings, what can we deduce?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_re_us/siegelman_release;_ylt=AtbfySLlmi1fKSL56wgnA8qs0NUE

That's right, boys and girls.... chances are about nineteen to one he's a Democrat. Now, I'm not going to even bother googling this guy to confirm he's a Dem. I'm so certain he is (since we aren't told he's a Republican) that I'll accept any bets he isn't a Dem without even checking first. Any size, any odds.

Do I have any takers?


*crickets chirping*


Didn't think so.






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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8206721 - 03/28/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Your argument is still retarded and based more on your wish for it to be so than on any evidence. Here are a few examples to highlight the fact that your argument is a pile of unsubstantiated horse shit:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5is_hQ_YDe8B6WJYlYMASndVKjNPQD8VM4ID80
"The once-popular Democrat began serving a sentence of more than seven years in June on his conviction on six bribery-related counts and one obstruction count."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/27cnd-alabama.html?hp
"Mr. Siegelman, a Democrat, had been taken to prison immediately following his sentencing last year, an unusual move by federal authorities in a white-collar case.





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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8323989 - 04/24/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042402035.html?hpid=moreheadlines -- Mayor busted for propositioning undercover cop posing as a male prostitute --

Quote:

District Heights Mayor Arrested in Prostitution Sting
By Allison Klein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 24, 2008; 2:14 PM

The mayor of District Heights was arrested early this morning in Washington after allegedly propositioning an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute, police and sources said.

James L. Walls Jr., 30, was arrested at 12:30 a.m. at Sixth and F streets NW and charged with solicitation for lewd and immoral purposes, according to police.

Walls is an ordained Baptist minister, according to the District Heights Web site. He is the former assistant pastor of Greater Light Missionary Baptist Church and is the associate pastor of Forestville New Redeemer Baptist Church.

Walls was elected mayor in May 2006, the youngest person to ever serve as the city's mayor, according to the site. His term runs until 2010.

He is a graduate of Bowie State University and works for the Town of Fairmount Heights as the town administrator, according to the District Heights Web site.




Nowhere in the article are we told this guy's political leanings. Therefore I am willing -- without going to Google to check if this guy is a Democrat or a Republican -- to bet a considerable sum of money that he is a Democrat. You'll have to take my word that I haven't bothered to check. I swear I haven't. In fact, I don't need to, since this is a MSM newspaper reporting a breaking scandal about a political figure. If the guy was a Republican, they would have said so. Therefore it is a cast-iron certainty the guy is a Dem.

Do I have any takers?


*crickets chirping*


Didn't think so.






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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8324104 - 04/24/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

calm down phred :smile:

I'd really like to see a study on this.  I wonder if it would be hard to do?  You probably wouldn't have access to the first drafts of these stories.  In the past you and seuss say the stories have been changed after a few hours to include party info.


Do you check on all these stories you notice?  Do you ever get repbulicans not mentioned?


You've thrown out enough anecdotes to convince me their may be a trend to not include democratic party members affiliations.  I wonder if there's any way someone, or us, could determine whether this is true for any class of stories?  Any suggestions?  This is an interesting thing you're pushing here.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8324128 - 04/24/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Well Phred aside from the fact that it is pointless to bet with anonymous people who have no money, I went and checked the dope out for myself.

He's only 30 and he's already cratered.  His lawyer says he told him he didn't do it and he's never lied to him before.:grin:  He had a pretty impressive thing going on and now he's just another homo without mojo.  Will someone please explain to me what it is with these guys and whores.    There is so much free pussy and some of it will do what you want and maybe, if your lucky, on any given night, come up with some fun shit you haven't thought of.  Morons.

Oh yeah















you were right, he's one of them.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: johnm214]
    #8324151 - 04/24/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

johnm214 said:
calm down phred :smile:

I'd really like to see a study on this.  I wonder if it would be hard to do?  You probably wouldn't have access to the first drafts of these stories.  In the past you and seuss say the stories have been changed after a few hours to include party info.


Do you check on all these stories you notice?  Do you ever get repbulicans not mentioned?


You've thrown out enough anecdotes to convince me their may be a trend to not include democratic party members affiliations.  I wonder if there's any way someone, or us, could determine whether this is true for any class of stories?  Any suggestions?  This is an interesting thing you're pushing here.




You know, it doesn't always manifest itself as a non-mention.  Sometimes it's just a buried mention.  My experience involves the NYTimes.  Sooner or later, they get around to party affiliation.  One party's mention tends to run more sooner than later.  But the NY Times has long since fled the field of objective journalism.  I suspect there has been a study dine and I bet Phred is spot on among major media outlets.  Throwing in the Boise Register does not balance out the LA Times.  Different league.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8324956 - 04/24/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Okay.... now, several hours later, the Washington Post has expanded the article greatly, adding many more details about this guy. Looks like the word count is at least double what the original article was. Here it is now, in its entirety --

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District Heights Mayor Arrested in Sting
Walls, 30, Offered $40 for Sex to Undercover Officer in the District, Police Say

By Allison Klein and Ovetta Wiggins
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, April 25, 2008; Page B03

The mayor of District Heights was arrested early yesterday in the District after allegedly offering an undercover male police officer $40 for sex in a known prostitution area, authorities said.

James L. Walls Jr., 30, was arrested at 12:30 a.m. at Sixth and F streets NW, near Verizon Center. He was charged with solicitation for lewd and immoral purposes, police said. He was issued a citation and released.

Walls, who is single, was known as a rising star among young Democrats in Prince George's County. He was the youngest person elected mayor of District Heights -- a community inside the Beltway with a population of about 6,000. He was elected mayor in May 2006; his term runs until 2010.

He also serves as an associate minister at the Forestville New Redeemer Baptist Church and works for Fairmount Heights as town administrator, according to the District Heights Web site.

Officers regularly conduct sting operations in the area where Walls was arrested, D.C. police said. Sometimes they make as many as 14 arrests a night, said Inspector Brian Bray, head of the narcotics and special investigations unit.

In District Heights, Walls called an emergency meeting yesterday afternoon with city officials to discuss the matter, Vice Mayor Eddie L. Martin said. "This is an unfortunate situation," Martin said.

Walls did not return a phone message seeking comment last night. Martin said that Walls told him he would have no public comment.

Martin declined to reveal what was discussed at the meeting but said the commission offered its support. Martin said he looks forward to the mayor getting "his day in court."

The Rev. Nathaniel Thomas, pastor of Forestville New Redeemer Baptist Church, said he was stunned by the news. "I'm very, very shocked," Thomas said. "But we are praying for him.

"I hope he will put a call to me so we can pray together. . . . I'm not passing judgment. We are innocent until proven guilty," Thomas said.

Thomas said Walls, a graduate of Bowie State University, has attended the church for less than six months.

"He's been a delight," the pastor said, referring to the community work Walls has done with senior citizens. "I know this is going to be a shocker to the congregation."

Del. Carolyn J.B. Howard (D-Prince George's) also expressed surprise, adding that Walls "appeared to be a wonderful young man with a bright future."

According to the District Heights Web site, Walls is president of the Maryland Black Mayors Association and was appointed chairman of the National Conference of Black Mayors-Small Town and Rural Development Committee.

He was elected last year as vice president of tourism for the World Conference of Mayors, the Web site says. In 2006, he was selected as one of the most progressive leaders in the country younger than 40 by the People for the American Way Foundation.

Staff researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.




You will note that even though the URL is the same, the article has changed considerably from what was at the exact same URL several hours ago when I first cut and pasted everything there was. This is why I decided to cut and paste the entire article each time -- to show how these days even providing a link isn't enough to prove a point. The MSM often goes back into the links and changes them radically without noting that they have been changed. I'm not saying this is necessarily dishonest of them, but it can lead to confusion for people trying to follow the evolution of a story.





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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8325111 - 04/24/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It is worse when a priest molests a child?


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