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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8131793 - 03/11/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So your viciously partisan and shockingly blatant Lib/Fag/Pinko/Jew media bias only operates on the first day of a scandal?

Is that really the conclusion you want us to draw from this?


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8131803 - 03/11/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I wasn't talking about what CNN's followup article of today says about him -- an article not breaking the scandal but instead giving a more in-depth analysis of how he might deal with the scandal -- I was talking about CNN's opening salvo about the scandal.



What's the difference if it is the article breaking the scandal or the follow-up article? This seems like splitting hairs to me. So you're going to discount every instance of an article that mentions his party affiliation either in the title or the first few sentences merely because it was not the first? That seems like incredibly flawed logic.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8131834 - 03/11/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If Spitzer were Republican, would a breaking news story about this kind of scandal fail to mention his party affiliation? Nope.

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So your viciously partisan and shockingly blatant Lib/Fag/Pinko/Jew media bias only operates on the first day of a scandal?




Maybe there is at least one editor at CNN who actually reads blogs. Noting CNN was once again being ridiculed all over the blogosphere for their blatant bias, he directed his staff that followup articles should note Spitzer's political affiliation.

I can't help but note your failure to comment on ABC's slideshow of past scandals. Think you might get around to that?



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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8131857 - 03/11/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't even looked at it.

Will do so right now.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8131878 - 03/11/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I will go so far as that *3* of the Democrats are not mentioned w/ their party affiliation.

But the fourth is Bill Clinton, and I refuse to accept that anyone who would click on this slideshow in the first place does not know which party Bill Clinton belongs to.

So yes, I would say that in this slideshow there are some Democratic scumsuckers without their party tag affixed to their name.

Could this be an honest mistake or oversight?

Surely Not! It's a conspiracy!


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8131885 - 03/11/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I thought wolf blitzer was gonna start crying last night...


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8131948 - 03/11/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Only one of the Dems is identified as a Dem. Gerry Studds. Period. That's it, that's all. On the other hand every single one of the Reps is identified as a Rep. Without exception. But this isn't deliberate. Oh, no. Could have happened the other way round, too.

Except it never does.

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So yes, I would say that in this slideshow there are some Democratic scumsuckers without their party tag affixed to their name.




If by "some" you mean all of them except Studds.

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Could this be an honest mistake or oversight?




If it happened once or twice a year, sure. But this happens all the time, as my previous posts proved so convincingly. You will note that in my previous posts I didn't even bother going back further than the beginning of this year. All my examples occurred in a stretch of six weeks.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8132012 - 03/11/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This definitely deserves a continuing look.

We're agreed that the "MSM" is not hiding the fact that Spitzer is a dem? Or do you still contest this?


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8132186 - 03/11/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Look, here's how this works. If a Republican does something wrong, the audience is immediately informed the miscreant is a Republican. Often in the very first word of the headline -- i.e. "Republican Governor Caught Dipping His Wick". If not in the very first word of the headline, then somewhere else in the headline, or in the caption of the accompanying photo. Or in the first sentence of the lede, or at the latest by the end of the first paragraph of the article. This is the case in pretty much nineteen out of twenty articles. Probably even more than nineteen out of twenty.

But if the miscreant is a Democrat, we are often not even told at all his political leanings. Not anywhere in the entire article. I provided nearly a dozen examples of this earlier in the thread, and I could have continued for literally hundreds more. And you will note I only bothered listing a couple of articles where we are finally informed in the very last paragraph or second last paragraph of the piece. I restricted myself mostly to articles where the political affiliation of the miscreant is left a mystery for the entire length of the article. Like that CNN breaking story I linked.

Look, this is big news! A state governor -- not some flunky ward hack, mind you, but one of just fifty governors in the whole nation -- is exposed as a customer of hookers. And it never even occurs to CNN to tell us which party this guy is. I don't know about you, but that's one of the things I would expect an actual news organization to mention.

Can they keep his affiliation a secret forever? Of course not. Sooner or later the omission becomes so embarrassing they have to cave and make a pro forma mention down in the bowels of some opinion piece a day or two down the road.

But this game is so ludicrously one-sided that once you've been tipped off to what they're doing, it becomes hilarious. Seriously, dude... put aside your partisanship for a while and check it out for yourself. You can become a very wealthy individual indeed (if you can find anyone dumb enough to take your bet) by placing sizable wagers on every news article you find where some politician has done something bad and his/her political affiliation isn't mentioned. Hell, you can even lay ten to one odds and still come out a winner -- as long as you always say "Democrat" when asked what the mystery party affiliation is. Yes, every once in blue moon you'll stumble across an article where the unnamed party affiliation is Republican, but that is such a rare occurrence it'll scarcely register as a speed bump to your swelling bank account.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8132201 - 03/11/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

And all I'm saying is that you're completely wrong!

You say CNN is trying to hide his political affiliation, but YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO CLICK A LINK TO SEE IT.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8132268 - 03/11/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I clicked the link.

I say again... they can't hide his affiliation forever. Sooner or later enough people give them shit over their careful omission of critical facts that they have no choice but to cave and include it. All I point out is that there is an enormous bias here.

See, if the governor had been a Republican, the freaking first word of the headline of the breaking story would have been "Republican". And you know that's true. But since the guy was a Dem, it just never occurs to them to include that information in the breaking story. It's not until the excitement dies down a little bit and they start digging for some meat that maybe their competitors don't yet have that someone finally muses, "Oh yeah... guess we could mention what party this guy belongs to while we're at it. Seeing as how we're talking about how he was a prosecuting attorney and all. Besides, if we don't mention it, Limbaugh will skewer us."

You see, it's such a deep and ingrained bias that it's probably not even deliberate. They're so keenly tuned to sniff out anything to make the Repubs look bad that when they find it, their fingers reflexively type "republican" as soon as they come to rest on the home key position of the keyboard. But if it's a Dem that is the baddie, then he's not a Dem, per se, he's just a governor. Or a senator. Or a legislator. Or a mayor. Or a councilman. Or a judge. A politician who did something bad. That's a whole different classification of human from a Republican who's done something bad.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8132299 - 03/11/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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You see, it's such a deep and ingrained bias that it's probably not even deliberate.
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I've come to the same conclusion.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8132538 - 03/11/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

As a counter to Phred's slideshow...

Everyone's party gets an honorary mention here, except for Jerry Springer :lol::
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politics/2008/03/11/a-timeline-of-politicians-and-prostitutes.html

In this Associated Press summary, only one of the Democrats' and one of the Republicans' party affiliations are mentioned while everyone else goes unmentioned...
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5il_WRtWjoveTQ-9tIuJPjksmQOLwD8VATG900


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8135731 - 03/12/08 06:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Heh. Everyone's getting into the game now. Check out this thread from dill705 --

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8134960/an/0/page/0 --

-- and try to guess which political party the mayor in question belongs to. To save y'all some time, let me tell you right now that nowhere in the fairly lengthy and otherwise quite detailed article does the Associated Press reporter mention the mayor's political affiliation. What does that tell us, boys and girls?

That's right... the mayor is a Dem.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8136251 - 03/12/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I clicked the link.

I say again... they can't hide his affiliation forever. Sooner or later enough people give them shit over their careful omission of critical facts that they have no choice but to cave and include it. All I point out is that there is an enormous bias here.

See, if the governor had been a Republican, the freaking first word of the headline of the breaking story would have been "Republican". And you know that's true. But since the guy was a Dem, it just never occurs to them to include that information in the breaking story. It's not until the excitement dies down a little bit and they start digging for some meat that maybe their competitors don't yet have that someone finally muses, "Oh yeah... guess we could mention what party this guy belongs to while we're at it. Seeing as how we're talking about how he was a prosecuting attorney and all. Besides, if we don't mention it, Limbaugh will skewer us."

You see, it's such a deep and ingrained bias that it's probably not even deliberate. They're so keenly tuned to sniff out anything to make the Repubs look bad that when they find it, their fingers reflexively type "republican" as soon as they come to rest on the home key position of the keyboard. But if it's a Dem that is the baddie, then he's not a Dem, per se, he's just a governor. Or a senator. Or a legislator. Or a mayor. Or a councilman. Or a judge. A politician who did something bad. That's a whole different classification of human from a Republican who's done something bad.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8136274 - 03/12/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I wasn't talking about what CNN's followup article of today says about him -- an article not breaking the scandal but instead giving a more in-depth analysis of how he might deal with the scandal -- I was talking about CNN's opening salvo about the scandal. My bad for not providing the link to it right away. I went back and edited in the URL to my original post. I thought I had done that, but obviously I didn't. Again, my bad.

No comment about ABC's slideshow?



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Ha - are you kidding? You are just cherry-picking your so-called "evidence" and ignoring what does not support your theory.

And why do you always put your name at the end of your posts? It's pretty obviously who writes this crap.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8136333 - 03/12/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Heh. Everyone's getting into the game now. Check out this thread from dill705 --

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8134960/an/0/page/0 --

-- and try to guess which political party the mayor in question belongs to. To save y'all some time, let me tell you right now that nowhere in the fairly lengthy and otherwise quite detailed article does the Associated Press reporter mention the mayor's political affiliation. What does that tell us, boys and girls?

That's right... the mayor is a Dem.




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What does "everyone's getting into the game now" even mean? I dont see "everyone" doing anything - all I see in that thread is you hijacking it and attempting to steer it toward some sort of self-referential end.

Anyways, here's my tip of the day: run a google news search for any American mayor, filter out hometown news-outlets from the results, and notice how their party affiliation is often not mentioned. This is consistently true even with stories that do not involve any sort of scandal - even the most mundane newstory usually does not mention party affiliation. Try Mayor Daley. Or Villaraigosa. Or whoever else you want.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #8136363 - 03/12/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Anyways, here's my tip of the day: run a google news search for any American mayor, filter out hometown news-outlets from the results, and notice how their party affiliation is often not mentioned. This is consistently true even with stories that do not involve any sort of scandal - even the most mundane newstory usually does not mention party affiliation.




Of course they don't bother mentioning if a mayor is a Republican in just normal stories -- there's no "gotcha" factor. As I said from the beginning, it's in cases of scandals that this bias becomes blatantly obvious.

And no... I'm not just "cherrypicking". This is so common the blogosphere hardly even bothers pointing it out anymore. It's just what MSM reporters and editors do. It's like when Islamic 'splodeydopes self-detonate in crowded areas nobody bothers bewailing the fact anymore either. That's just what they do, man. Another "dog bites man" story.

But if you want to compare the number of examples provided in this thread so far, it's quite obvious that those claiming there is no bias by the press are pretty deficient in giving us examples of scandals involving Republicans where we don't know by the end of the article which party the miscreant belongs to.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8136468 - 03/12/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course they don't bother mentioning if a mayor is a Republican in just normal stories -- there's no "gotcha" factor. As I said from the beginning, it's in cases of scandals that this bias becomes blatantly obvious.





Or could it be that journalists do not have a pattern of mentioning party affiliation but only do so when necessary or important or beneficial to the story? The fact that Senator Larry Craig is a Republican is relevant to the news story of him trying suck some dick in a public restroom considering the high amount of anti-gay legislation and rhetoric on part of the Republican Party at large. Now, in the case of Spitzer, his party affiliation is nearly irreverent because as far as I can tell, the Democratic Party has not been in some sort of anti-prostitution movement. His membership to the party is practically irrelevant to the news story.

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And no... I'm not just "cherrypicking". This is so common the blogosphere hardly even bothers pointing it out anymore. It's just what MSM reporters and editors do. It's like when Islamic 'splodeydopes self-detonate in crowded areas nobody bothers bewailing the fact anymore either. That's just what they do, man. Another "dog bites man" story.





No, I'm pretty sure you're cherry-picking.

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But if you want to compare the number of examples provided in this thread so far, it's quite obvious that those claiming there is no bias by the press are pretty deficient in giving us examples of scandals involving Republicans where we don't know by the end of the article which party the miscreant belongs to.





The deficiency of posters is not proof of media bias - it's proof that no one takes your conspiracy theory seriously enough. But I'll play.

How about a new set of examples? Run a Google News search for both Governor Blagojevich and Governor Ryan - both Illinois governors who are/were involved in scandals. As far as I can tell, the mentioning of party affiliation has zero pattern.

Here's one scandal example: http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_story_060233411.html - No mentioning of the Republican Party whatsoever even though 1/3 of the story was basically a biography of the man who his party affiliation could have been used. If your conspiracy theory is correct, then the journalist of the story would have said he was a Republican. They did not. Why is this?


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8141841 - 03/13/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This AFP photo description claims Spitzer is a Republican. Once in the caption and once in the body of text.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080312/img/ppl-us-politics-newyork-gov-1-4e48f9b2ad981.html





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