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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#8035758 - 02/17/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Double post, and a fucked up quote to boot.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Oops, didn't see that. My browser was all messed up before, that may have caused it. Fixed.
Honest mistake dude but ban? That's a little harsh I'm still relatively new here and learning the rules of the road. Try helping a noob out instead of trying to get one banned...sheesh.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#8035868 - 02/17/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm totally kidding.
Internet sarcasm is just hard to convey sometimes.
But I really am kidding. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. And you would never get a ban for a double post. Or a fucked up quote.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Haha, my bad, I totally take most things seriously unless they have one of those goofy smiley things next to it. Duly noted on both accounts. I'll try to keep my fuckups to a minimum though 
I've loved hanging out in the politics forum and will be missing all of you guys in the coming few weeks... going to Brazil tomorrow on holiday and wont be back for a while. It's been great mixing it up with all of you and honing the ol' debate skills. Take it easy, Shroomery.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#8036913 - 02/18/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really? And where was that?
How about the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. There were 2 million protesters in London alone. Some figment of my imagination...
Oh and if you click on the graph I showed you before it says it's from the Brookings Insitute and it says right there on the graph that it starts in June '03.
I would have been here much sooner but there seemed to be some issue with the Shroomery. As in, I couldn't get on.
If I click on the graph, nothing happens, left or right. Nor was it possible to read that tiny script that stated the first June was from 2003. Why is there still no linkage? I dunno.
Anyway, if it starts in June of '03 then it ends in November (as near as I can tell) of '06. How creative of you to provide a graph ending in 2006 disputing my assertion about media coverage from September 2007 to January 2008. Since very few here ever click a link I will give the data from my graph of "three evening newscasts together broadcast 178 stories about the war in Iraq"
September 07.....178 October..........108 November..........68 December..........61 January 08........47
This coincides quite nicely with the graphs describing the success of the activity commenced in the Spring and Summer of 2007, which bore fruit in the Fall and Winter of 2007-2008 in the form of greatly decreased enemy activity. See (repeat link for those who already looked) http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/iraq_by_the_numbers.php
So, let me summarize: I point out a decrease in news coverage for the period from September 2007 to January 2008 coinciding with a decrease in violence and an overall increase in SUCCESS and you counter with a non linked, illegible graph that covers the period of June 2003 to November 2006.
Now, you may honestly take exception to my source for the decline in stories. In that case, feel free to provide any counter intel to THAT. Today's NY Times front page: Zero.
Anything you might link to regarding this greatest evah anti-war protest would be appreciated. It made a HUGE splash in NYC. When was it again? I can only conclude that anything you say is dishonest debate.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8037589 - 02/18/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've got a few moments to kill here in the terminal so what the hell. First of all, if you click 'view the page' for the graph you can see it's from the Brookings Institute. But here's the entire report on pdf file for your perusal: http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
The surge does indeed appear to correlate with a decrease in violence in the past few months but this is hardly a sign of victory and success in Iraq. If you look at the overall trend of violence toward coalition troops there have been peaks and valleys but the upward trend has been consistent since 2003.There is no indication that this recent decrease is a permanent trend and it may just be another valley to be followed by a spike in violence. We will need to wait a little longer before declaring "Mission Accomplished" to see if this is going to work out. From the report: "On balance, Iraq at the end of July is showing significant signs of battlefield momentum in favor of U.S./coalition military forces, but there is nonetheless little good to report on the political front and only modest progress on the economic side of things."
If you look at the charts toward the end of the report (page 49 and on) there are some very revealing statistics that show that Iraqis want us out of the country and that a majority of the country supports attacks on coalition troops. One can only assume that these numbers have increased since the surge. Page 55 of the report:
APPROVAL OF ATTACKS ON US-LED FORCES January 2006 September 2006
Overall 47% 61% Shia 41% 62% Sunni 88% 92% Kurd 16% 15%
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Anything you might link to regarding this greatest evah anti-war protest would be appreciated. It made a HUGE splash in NYC. When was it again?
15 February 2003. "Between six and 10 million people are thought to have marched in up to 60 countries over the weekend - the largest demonstrations of their kind since the Vietnam War." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2765215.stm
From the Guinness Book of World Records: http://web.archive.org/web/20040904214302/http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=54365
Here is a catalog of Iraq War protests from wikipedia since 2003. The news coverage for these protests has been minimal. Now because of this, I'm not going to declare a conservative media bias but I'm simply making the point that if the liberals thoroughly controlled the media you would be seeing news of these protests plastered all over the headlines. This has not been the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_2003_Iraq_war
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Now, you may honestly take exception to my source for the decline in stories. In that case, feel free to provide any counter intel to THAT. Today's NY Times front page: Zero.
OK. Here's an op-ed piece from the liberal New York Times from July 2007 that takes a favourable view of the surge and the chance to "win" in Iraq. This damned liberal media bias is killing me! I know you're going to try and downplay this, let's just see how...http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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I can only conclude that anything you say is dishonest debate.
Coming from a guy who claims that Iraq War protests are a figment of my imagination and who uses a blatantly conservative source to attempt to prove that a liberal media bias exists. You sir are ridiculous.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#8038275 - 02/18/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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And yet you persist with old news that is irrelevant to any decline in news coverage from 9/07 to 1/08 or even addresses attacks in that period.
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15 February 2003. "Between six and 10 million people are thought to have marched in up to 60 countries over the weekend - the largest demonstrations of their kind since the Vietnam War." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2765215.stm
One might say yipee. Five years ago a rabble scattered over 60 countries marched on the same day. Yipee.
I picked a random one from a more recent time in the wiki. January 27, 2007.
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UFPJ had hoped for up to a million people attending,[citation needed] and it was announced at the protest that aerial photography had estimated that at least 500,000 showed up. The Associated Press has stated that the march drew "tens of thousands".
So A it was covered and B it sure wasn't much.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8044599 - 02/19/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool! I have a reliable internet connection here. 
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And yet you persist with old news that is irrelevant to any decline in news coverage from 9/07 to 1/08 or even addresses attacks in that period.
I still refuse to acknowledge that study from MRC as it is inherently biased due to its conservative allegiances and thus its findings are not to be trusted. It is total rubbish. Find me something with a little more credibility and objectivity and we'll chat.
If you want to see something really interesting check out this study published by the project World Public Opinion in 2003. Their findings indicate "widespread misconceptions on Iraq highly related to support for war." In the study, a large portion of viewers of Mainstream Media were shown to be labouring under misconceptions that would predispose them to being in favour of the Iraq War, in other words, pro-Iraq War propaganda. Over 60% of viewers polled had at least one of the three misconceptions mentioned in the study. This does not bear the mark of what a liberal media bias would produce and from this study one could actually make an argument for that there is a conservative media bias but I wont go that far... http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102
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One might say yipee. Five years ago a rabble scattered over 60 countries marched on the same day. Yipee.
A rabble? Six to ten million people is an insignificant rabble to you? There were two million alone in London's Hyde Park during that protest. Coverage of these protests would be front page news every time one broke out if the media had a true alliance to the left wing but instead the coverage has been paltry at best. Come off it.
Let's try to keep to the original point. There is no credible evidence for a liberal media bias.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Virus_with_Shoes said: Cool! I have a reliable internet connection here. 
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And yet you persist with old news that is irrelevant to any decline in news coverage from 9/07 to 1/08 or even addresses attacks in that period.
I still refuse to acknowledge that study from MRC as it is inherently biased due to its conservative allegiances and thus its findings are not to be trusted. It is total rubbish. Find me something with a little more credibility and objectivity and we'll chat.
No, YOU find something that refutes it. Today's NY Times, zero articles on Iraq. It is so obvious a blind squirrel can see itQuote:
If you want to see something really interesting check out this study published by the project World Public Opinion in 2003. Their findings indicate "widespread misconceptions on Iraq highly related to support for war." In the study, a large portion of viewers of Mainstream Media were shown to be labouring under misconceptions that would predispose them to being in favour of the Iraq War, in other words, pro-Iraq War propaganda. Over 60% of viewers polled had at least one of the three misconceptions mentioned in the study. This does not bear the mark of what a liberal media bias would produce and from this study one could actually make an argument for that there is a conservative media bias but I wont go that far... http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102
2003 again? Irrelevant again? Surprise that people are stupid and ill informed? One of their "misperceptions" was about WMDs found in Iraq. Some have been found. Another one of their "misperceptions" was that there were ties between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda. This is not a misperception. There were ties. They "misperceive" what a "misperception" is.Quote:
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One might say yipee. Five years ago a rabble scattered over 60 countries marched on the same day. Yipee.
A rabble? Six to ten million people is an insignificant rabble to you? There were two million alone in London's Hyde Park during that protest. Coverage of these protests would be front page news every time one broke out if the media had a true alliance to the left wing but instead the coverage has been paltry at best. Come off it.
Let's try to keep to the original point. There is no credible evidence for a liberal media bias.
Yes there is and I produced some of it. Here's a little more, from a liberal news channel.
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125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/
And 6 million scattered morons in 60 countries does not impress me. I remember the 60s and early 70s and those, sir, aint it. Not by a longshot.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8048058 - 02/20/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, YOU find something that refutes it. Today's NY Times, zero articles on Iraq. It is so obvious a blind squirrel can see it
I already have. You're picking the New York Times as a benchmark comparison to base your argument for a liberal media bias? That would be like me using Fox News to argue that the media is conservative.
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2003 again? Irrelevant again?
This is, in fact, not relevant and actually proves my point quite well.
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One of their "misperceptions" was about WMDs found in Iraq. Some have been found.
That's funny. The only source I have found that agrees with what you've just said happens to be, oh wonder of wonders, Fox News. The chief of the CIA and the Iraq Study group have both independently claimed that the existence of Saddam's WMD programme is a bunch of rubbish:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3718150.stm
The study from before shows people were given incorrect conservative propaganda where they should have been given news. During the lead up to the Iraq War the media was essentially a mouthpiece for the White House announcing its dishonest proclamations and pretenses for war as if they were undisputed truths.
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Another one of their "misperceptions" was that there were ties between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda. This is not a misperception. There were ties.
Wrong again.Where are you getting this utter garbage? There is a consensus amongst intelligence experts as well as a recently released Pentagon Report (April 2007), the CIA (2005 Report), the 9/11 Commission Report, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2006) that completely contradict what you just said. Are you going to tell me you know better than all of these people? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040502263.html http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/saddam-had-no-links-to-alqaeda/2006/09/09/1157222383981.html
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125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
Finally! You've put something forward to advance your argument that isn't bullshit! I'll give you this point, this prevalence of Democrats is definitely looking into and would give some credence to there being a liberal streak in the news. HOWEVER...
You're not going to be able to successfully play down the war protests. They have been numerous and they have been large. They have also been blacked out by American media. You still can't answer why the liberal media wouldn't play up war protests and show as much coverage as they could and even play it up in some instances.
Your way of looking at the entire MSM like some sort of monolithic entity that leans toward the Democratic party is somewhat naive. I think from our discussion it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that one can make the argument that there are streaks of both conservative and liberal biases going on. Your Fox News is another man's New York Times. I give you credit for pointing out the prevalence of Democrats but I also think that the media has been incredibly complicit in dispensing falsified Republican propaganda.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#8048217 - 02/20/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay, I know this is off topic, but I really can't let this slide.
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Wrong again.Where are you getting this utter garbage? There is a consensus amongst intelligence experts as well as a recently released Pentagon Report (April 2007), the CIA (2005 Report), the 9/11 Commission Report, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2006) that completely contradict what you just said. Are you going to tell me you know better than all of these people?
The ties between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorists was so well-documented in the open source media from the Nineties that it is ridiculous to try to claim there were none. Hell... Hussein even offered Osama bin Laden safe haven in Iraq when Sudan gave him the boot. He chose to go to Afghanistan instead, but the offer was made nonetheless. Post-invasion, tons of documentation was recovered showing even more involvement between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorists. Lots of that documentation is still being translated, so let's not even use it. Just the stuff reported in the New York Times, the Washington Post, The Guardian, the Times of London, Newsweek, Time magazine, and all three major US networks back when Clinton was still prez will do.
If you want to take this further, open another thread or bump and old one. There are dozens of old threads in the archive going into much greater detail about this than I have.
Was Hussein sheltering or assisting any of the planeers of the 9/11 attacks? There is no evidence he was. But there's a fuck of a lot more Islamic terrorists in the world than just the ones who did 9/11.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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We're really getting off-topic here but there's no way I'm not gonna respond to that.
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The ties between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorists was so well-documented in the open source media from the Nineties that it is ridiculous to try to claim there were none. Hell... Hussein even offered Osama bin Laden safe haven in Iraq when Sudan gave him the boot.
You think? What Islamic terrorists are you referring to? Surely you don't mean Al Qaeda? Saddam was essentially a secular leader and did not get along well at all with Islamic terrorists! I mean, they were so close that Osama bin Laden was sponsoring anti-Saddam Kurdish forces in Northern Iraq during the 1990s. Check out what the 9/11 Commission Report has to say about this. It makes for a very entertaining read:
"Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation with Iraq, even though Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an Islamist agenda—save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the faithful against "Crusaders" during the Gulf War of 1991. Moreover, Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into his Islamic army....
With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request. As described below, the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections. There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein’s efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.
In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December. Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative... But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."Link
Best of buddies, right? There were meetings but no cooperative action ever materialised between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
Additionally, one of bin Laden's interviewers, Hamid Mir, has him on record saying some pretty nasty things about Saddam in 1997. This illustrates some of the ideology keeping the two from uniting:
"He condemned Saddam Hussein in my interview. He gave such kind of abuses that it was very difficult for me to write, [calling Hussein a] socialist motherfucker. [He said], "The land of the Arab world, the land is like a mother, and Saddam Hussein is fucking his mother." (From Peter Bergen's book, "The Osama bin Laden I know")Link
Pretty rough stuff.
Have you heard of the 2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report? Well if not the I'll bring you up to speed.
On the final page it concludes that the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans had "developed, produced, and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and al Qaida relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the Intelligence Community, to senior decision-makers."Link
The report called these actions "inappropriate" though not "illegal"... cute, huh?
To summarise, like I said before, there was a documented, concerted effort to deceive the American people and the media was entirely complicit... but we digress, don't we?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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This is now way off topic and I myself have provided links to this in other threads.
There is a liberal media bias. Do you have anything to refute this?
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
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You really haven't proved at all that there is a liberal media bias but this discussion has stagnated. This is getting repetitive and neither of us are going to get anything out of this... I have already discussed my point and you yours. Time to move on...
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Hussein's well-known and well-documented support for Islamic terrorists has been thoroughly proven over and over again in past threads in this forum. You're hardly the first to try to claim there were no such ties, you know... 9/11 happened over six years ago.
But it is off topic for this thread, so I will take it no further here, except to say you have failed in making your case. See any of about seven or eight dozen past threads in the forum archives.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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I will take it no further here, except to say you have failed in making your case.
Yeah, ok. It's quite clear that you have intellectual blinders on. I don't need to make the case since it has already been made by the 9/11 Commission Report, the 2006 Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, former CIA chief George Tenet, the Defence Department, CIA reports and the latest 2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report. If you still believe the Bush administration propaganda at this point you are truly hopeless.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Hussein's well-known and well-documented support for Islamic terrorists has been thoroughly proven over and over again in past threads in this forum. You're hardly the first to try to claim there were no such ties, you know... 9/11 happened over six years ago.
But it is off topic for this thread, so I will take it no further here, except to say you have failed in making your case. See any of about seven or eight dozen past threads in the forum archives.
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Just for the record, Hussein hated Osama's bunch.
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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The entire idea of a Main-Stream Media Bias is a Rush Limbaugh invention.
It is absolutely w/out any truth or merit.
Uh huh. Here's CNN's article about the breaking prostitution scandal involving New York's governor. Read it from top to bottom and tell us just where it is mentioned that Spitzer is a Democrat. Take your time.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
The New York Times did get around to mentioning he is a Democrat... in the fifteenth paragraph.
Then we have examples like this --
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Blotter/popup?id=2841254&contentIndex=1&page=11
This is an ABC News slideshow reviewing thirteen famous political sex scandals. A dozen of them involve elected officials. One involves a political appointee.
Five are Democrats, seven are Republicans.
Of the Dems listed, only one out of the five is identified as a Democrat, while six out of the seven Republicans are identified. The one unelected official is identified as a political appointee of President Bush's, so while his party affiliation isn't actually mentioned ABC makes sure we know which side he's playing on.
But there's no MSM bias. This is all just accidental. Uh huh. Even though it keeps happening -- over and over and over again.
To the MSM and Libbies (but I repeat myself) only Republican scandals are, in fact, Republican scandals. Democratic scandals are never identified as such -- they are instead (in the nuanced view of the press) either scandals of a particular man alone or of "the System" in general.
Phred
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Edited by Phred (03/11/08 09:48 AM)
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
#8130722 - 03/11/08 06:45 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you kidding me? You KNOW what you are writing isn't true.
This is the main headline on the CNN. These exact same words. HUGE. You can't miss it. This is the also the opening paragraph of the main story on this subject.
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Will sex scandal sink New York governor?
Before Monday, Eliot Spitzer was a rising star in the Democratic Party. Now, after being linked to a prostitution ring, political advisers are split over whether the New York governor has a political future.
They literally could not mention his party affiliation any earlier. They put it in the FIRST SENTENCE.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer.political.survival/index.html
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Phred
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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8131118 - 03/11/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wasn't talking about what CNN's followup article of today says about him -- an article not breaking the scandal but instead giving a more in-depth analysis of how he might deal with the scandal -- I was talking about CNN's opening salvo about the scandal. My bad for not providing the link to it right away. I went back and edited in the URL to my original post. I thought I had done that, but obviously I didn't. Again, my bad.
No comment about ABC's slideshow?
Phred
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