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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #8021095 - 02/14/08 05:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Held to a higher standard....... Or hung?


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8021139 - 02/14/08 06:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Holy shit! Do my eyes deceive me or do they mention the word Democrat three times in the first six paragraphs?




Thanks for proving my point. What part of --

"I guarantee you if you ever come across a story about a politician caught doing something bad and you aren't told his/her party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph, he's a Dem. That's a sure bet."

did I fail to make clear? Your example doesn't mention his political affiliation in the headline (as it probably would have if he'd been a Republican) nor does it mention it in the first paragraph. Nor in the second paragraph. Nor in the third paragraph.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8021150 - 02/14/08 06:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Probably this part...

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If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.




That statement's a big ol' steaming pile of bullshit. In my example, Mr. McGreevey's party affiliation was brought up four paragraphs into the article and mentioned frequently throughout the article... but anyway, how about the other side of your argument:

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I guarantee you if you ever come across a story about a politician caught doing something bad and you aren't told his/her party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph, he's a Dem. That's a sure bet.




Really? Let's look into the scandal of REPUBLICAN Mark Foley...

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS/609300536

Okay. Here his party affiliation is neither mentioned in the headline nor the first paragraph but at the very end of the second... as opposed to the fourth paragraph with Mr. McGreevey. Oh horrid, evil bias, you rear your hideous head once again!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/10/05/national/w071357D24.DTL

I'll be damned if there is no mention of him being Republican until TEN paragraphs into the article.

Where is this liberal media bias you Republicans keep whining about?


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8021584 - 02/14/08 09:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Really? Let's look into the scandal of REPUBLICAN Mark Foley...

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS/609300536

Okay. Here his party affiliation is neither mentioned in the headline nor the first paragraph but at the very end of the second... as opposed to the fourth paragraph with Mr. McGreevey. Oh horrid, evil bias, you rear your hideous head once again!




Yep. That is one instance in one newspaper where his political affiliation isn't mentioned in either the headline or the first paragraph, though it is mentioned in the photo caption which accompanies the article. But is a photo a headline or a paragraph? Nope. So you got me.... once.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/10/05/national/w071357D24.DTL

I'll be damned if there is no mention of him being Republican until TEN paragraphs into the article.




Well, duh! That article wasn't a breaking article, but a followup. By the time the sfgate article appeared there were fewer newswatchers left in the US who hadn't been repeatedly informed Foley was a Republican than there were newswatchers in the US who didn't know John Kerry is a Democrat.






Despite your find of one news article, my bet is a moneymaker in the long run. For every bet lost, you'll win fifteen or twenty by betting "Democrat" if you haven't been told the party affiliation by the end of the first paragraph.

Here's some recent ones --

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329747,00.html

An AP story where it's never mentioned anywhere that the miscreant is a Democrat. But he is. Forget the sixth paragraph or the seventeenth or whatever -- no mention at all.

Or this one -- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/02/national/main3668368.shtml

Twenty three paragraphs long. Tons of detail, except one -- Democrat or Republican? Not noted anywhere in the article, therefore it is a cast-iron certainty this public figure is in fact a Democrat. Sure enough, he is.

“Ex-councilwoman gets 12-24 months in kickback scheme.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854664-100.stm

We discover her political affiliation in paragraph 15.

“Ex-Rep. LaGrotta pleads guilty in ghost employee case.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854668-100.stm

A bit better -- political affiliation just 12 paragraphs in.

A story about ballot fraud -- http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/763753,eapencharge012808.article#

No mention of party affiliation anywhere in the entire article, therefore we can safely deduce the miscreant is a Dem. Lo and behold, he is in fact a Democrat! (read second last paragraph and use some common sense).

Over 2000 words about the trial and the writer couldn't find any room to identify the political party of the two public figures named in the headline. -- http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/NEWS05/801240414&theme=KILPATRICK082007

You know what that means, folks. Since the political affiliation remains a mystery for the entire lengthy article, we don't have to guess it, we know it -- Dems, the both of them.

State Auditor and Inspector Jeff McMahan and his wife Lori McMahan have been indicted. http://newsok.com/article/3194419/ and http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080118_1__MUSKO86622

No mention anywhere in either article of their political affiliation. Anyone care to place a bet on which party these two belong to? Don't bother. They're both (of course) Dems.

You will note these are just examples from this year. If I were to go back to 2007 I'd be at this for months.





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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8021826 - 02/14/08 10:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329747,00.html

An AP story where it's never mentioned anywhere that the miscreant is a Democrat. But he is. Forget the sixth paragraph or the seventeenth or whatever -- no mention at all.




The man in question, Carl Stanley McGee, was an AIDE to a politician, not a politician like we are discussing. Please read the title of the thread: "Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard?"

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An AP story where it's never mentioned anywhere that the miscreant is a Democrat. But he is. Forget the sixth paragraph or the seventeenth or whatever -- no mention at all.

Or this one -- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/02/national/main3668368.shtml




Again, we're talking about politicians here. He was a judge, not a politician. Case dismissed...

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“Ex-Rep. LaGrotta pleads guilty in ghost employee case.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854668-100.stm

A bit better -- political affiliation just 12 paragraphs in.





Well that's interesting. I found this Associated Press article where Frank Lagrotta's political affiliation is mentioned in the FIRST paragraph: http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-11142007-1441033.html

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A story about ballot fraud -- http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/763753,eapencharge012808.article#




You're talking about Anish Eapan, a ward superintendent and essentially a bureaucrat. It says he's an employee of the Department of Streets and Sanitation! NOT a politician!

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State Auditor and Inspector Jeff McMahan and his wife Lori McMahan have been indicted. http://newsok.com/article/3194419/ and http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080118_1__MUSKO86622




"State Auditor and Inspector." I can't help but notice that we've been through this before...



I mean, as "evidence" I suppose I could cite an example of a school administrator (who happened to be a Democrat) accused of molesting kids and bemoan the fact that the article doesn't mention his Democratic affiliations anywhere and swear to the heavens that he were Republican it would be plastered all over the article but both you (I hope!) and I know that wouldn't be true. That is essentially what you've done here... gave me a bunch of people who aren't politicians and asked me why the media didn't lambast them for being Democrats. If they did this, then truly the media WOULD be biased... but not against Republicans as you would like to believe.

The only valid example you've given me is Mayor Kilpatrick. So basically I've given you one example that proves my point and you've given me an example where his party affiliation should have been mentioned. This is hardly ample evidence to prove a trend.

The fact of the matter is that your argument bears quite a hefty burden of proof and it's a much more difficult position from which to argue. Don't get me wrong, you're an excellent debater but you seem to be holding an indefensible position. Unless you can find substantive proof or a figure that proves that Republican politicians are more discriminated against than Democrats when embroiled in political scandals your position can only be interpreted as opinion and hearsay. It is futile to discuss this point any further unless you can show otherwise.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8021935 - 02/14/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The man in question, Carl Stanley McGee, was an AIDE to a politician, not a politician like we are discussing.




Oh, please. Quibble much? The guy in question, Carl Stanley McGee, was the assistant secretary for policy and planning. That's a political position. That isn't a car salesman or an aircraft mechanic we're talking about, it's a professional political flunky rewarded for his loyalty by being given a cushy political post. Was he elected by the people? Nope. But he wouldn't hold the job if his buddy hadn't been elected by the people.

Claiming this guy isn't a politician is like claiming Donald Rumsfeld isn't a politician.

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Again, we're talking about politicians here. He was a judge, not a politician.




Do you live in America? Explain to the audience how judges become judges. Have you never seen a campaign add for a judge? When I lived in Canada and I had a TV, I saw campaign ads for judges on the US TV channels all the time. In the US a judgeship is as political a position as it is possible to get. Judgeships aren't awarded on the basis of how well one knows the law -- they are decided purely on popularity (i.e., decided through political methods). Hell, to sit on the Supreme Court one needn't even have a law degree! You just need to be appointed by a politician and confirmed by enough other politicians.

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You're talking about Anish Eapan, a ward superintendent and essentially a bureaucrat.




What is a ward superintendent? Is it someone who calibrates microscopes or delivers parcels? No, a ward superintendent is a political hack who handles party politics in a certain sector of a city. The fact that this guy wasn't elected makes his function no less political. And again, if this guy was a Republican, would his party affiliation have been concealed? No way.

But let's place the blame where it really lies -- on the ones who appointed this guy, knowing he would help them rig the vote. They too were Dem politicians (councilmen), though their party affiliation is a mystery if all you have to go on is the article. This vote-rigging scandal was a Dem criminal act from top to bottom, but none of the perpetrators have their party affiliation listed.

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"State Auditor and Inspector." I can't help but notice that we've been through this before...




Are you from England or Canada or what? Is your claim that State Auditors are not politicians? State Auditors are politicians. Hence the note in the article that "The nine-count indictment alleges Jeff and Lori McMahan received jewelry, trips and excessive contributions to Jeff McMahan's first campaign in 2002."

Campaign, Virus. As in political campaign run with the intent of winning a seat in the State Legislature. As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_McMahan_%28politician%29

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That is essentially what you've done here... gave me a bunch of people who aren't politicians and asked me why the media didn't lambast them for being Democrats.




But that's the thing. These folks are politicians. I wouldn't have listed the articles if they weren't politicians.



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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8027532 - 02/15/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Here's another example of the MSM protecting their own. I realize the player in question is not a politician, but the principle illustrated is exactly the same.

From San Francisco's KGO-TV: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=5956230

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The ABC7 I-Team has the inside story of what lead up to the arrest of popular talk-radio host, Bernie Ward, on federal child pornography charges. . . .
Bernie Ward got indicted in December and got fired from his job at KGO Radio, effective at the end of last year. Now, police reports just obtained by the I-Team tell us who blew the whistle on Ward, and how he came to send the woman child porn, by his own admission.




Are any of you wondering if Ward has any particular political leanings? You can't tell from the KGO story.

When Rush Limbaugh ran into trouble with the law a couple of years back, news stories on the subject routinely described him as conservative. Since the article never mentions Ward's political leanings, we can safely conclude Bernie Ward must be a liberal talk show host. And sure enough, he is. Quelle surprise!



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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8027788 - 02/15/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Is KGO TV really a member of the dreaded MSM?

Is that really the "mainstream"?

I would consider "mainstream" to be something like the national ABC news.

But I can see why you wouldn't want to post their take on the story, since the second line refutes your entire contrived argument.

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Talk Radio Host Indicted on Child Porn Charges
Liberal Host, Former Priest's Lawyer Says He Was Only Researching a Book






http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3980105&page=1


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8027866 - 02/15/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have no doubt one or two articles called him a liberal talk show host. The point is, if he had been a conservative talk show host, all articles would have. The Rush business went on for weeks and weeks -- long past the time when every newswatcher in the country knew Rush was a conservative. Yet without fail each succeeding update would start of something like "Conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh appeared in court today... blah blah blah" or "The files of the physicians who prescribed Oxycontin to conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh were subpoenaed today ..."




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8027891 - 02/15/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am absolutely unable to locate one article where he is not referred to quite clearly as a liberal talk radio guy. This assertion is usually in the first paragraph.

Again, I don't buy your pet theory at all

It is patently false.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8028407 - 02/15/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I am absolutely unable to locate one article where he is not referred to quite clearly as a liberal talk radio guy.




Yeah, because you looked so damned hard. I typed Bernie Ward into Google, and found these just as fast as I could load them onto my screen and read them:

Here, from the San Francisco Chronicle --

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/23/BAJDUK49R.DTL

is this guy a conservative or a liberal? Gee.... it's a mystery.

From the San Francisco Examiner --

http://www.examiner.com/a-1179422~Indicted_talk_show_host_plans_to_challenge_porn_laws.html

Well... we find out he's a former priest and he runs a show called Godtalk, but we aren't told if he's a member of the dreaded rightwing moral majority Jeebus worshippers or if he's a Libbie.

Another article from the Examiner -- still no mention that this guy is a Libbie:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1222642~Police_report_points_to_woman_who_turned_in_Ward.html

How about the San Francisco Sentinel? No mention of Ward's political bent here, either. Are we starting to sense a pattern?

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=7769

Over to NBC. Here we findout he hosted a political talk show, but we are left to guess what his politics are.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/15305360/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news

Here's the national version of the same story, on MSNBC --

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23174471/

So did I find any MSM articles where we are told he's a Lib? A couple, but we really have to dig to get the goods:

In this CBS/AP piece we wait till fifteen paragraphs into the story before he's identified as a liberal --
http://cbs5.com/local/bernie.ward.porn.2.604445.html

Here, we learn his political affiliation in the very last line of the piece --

http://www.nbc11.com/news/14793696/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news

So is this just a little bit different from the way Rush Limbaugh was treated? Any fair individual reviewing the evidence would have to admit... fuck yeah.




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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8031176 - 02/16/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... your total dearth of evidence has not advanced your argument at all. For every example you have given of a mainstream media source mentioning a scandalous conservative politician's political alignment early in the article I've found the same thing for a liberal (see my response to your previous post). I have also come across several examples of a Democrat's political party being mentioned much later in the article or not at all. Frankly your argument holds almost no water.

You are chasing your tail here. You've already arrived at the conclusion you want to believe and are not allowing evidence or the lack thereof to dissuade you.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8031249 - 02/16/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A democrat writes to Dear Abby

Dear Abby,

I just got engaged after being paroled from prison for mass murder,
my fiancee's brother helped me escape by robbing a bank to get the money to bribe some of the guards. My fiancee was a madam at a house of ill repute and managed to save a lot of money, also my cousin is a Republican. The thing I wanted to ask you is this, should I or shouldn't I tell my fiancee that my cousin is a Republican?


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8031533 - 02/16/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

virus writes:

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Yeah... your total dearth of evidence has not advanced your argument at all.




Dearth of evidence? What forum are you reading?

I've given almost a dozen examples of Libbie malefactors getting either a completely free pass (their party affiliation never being mentioned at all) or having their bona fides mentioned so deep into an article it might as well not be mentioned at all. So far you've provided ONE Republican example of the same... Mark Foley... where his name is mentioned in the SECOND paragraph of the article rather than the first. And this is supposed to prove your point?



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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8031823 - 02/16/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes... dearth of evidence. One thing about the examples you've given to support your point- the offenders are all in relatively low-ranking political positions. Party affiliation is not emphasised as much at this level and this holds true for both parties. When one of these people screw up their political party is seldom mentioned in the article, even if they are Republican.

Check this out. Article about Republican Mayor of Providence, Buddy Cianci who was convicted of racketeering conspiracy. His party affiliation is NEVER mentioned in the article and this is coming from the New York Times. You can't get more liberal than that! If you saw any liberal media bias SURELY you'd see it here.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0DD103EF934A3575AC0A9649C8B63

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I've given almost a dozen examples of Libbie malefactors getting either a completely free pass...or having their bona fides mentioned so deep into an article it might as well not be mentioned at all.




Right and I've shown you examples of Liberal perpetrators having their party affiliation mentioned very early in the article. For your benefit I shall list a bunch of examples of politicians (as opposed to judges and petty bureaucrats) that were not given free passes and hopefully this should put this ridiculous discussion to rest:

For your example of Frank Lagrotta, I've already posted an article of his party affiliation being mentioned in the first paragraph. How convenient that you don't mention this...

Here's another example... when Don Perata (D-CA) called San Diegan conservatives "crackers." Note that his party affiliation is mentioned in the SECOND SENTENCE: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060804-9999-7m4perata.html

Here's former Mayor of Orlando, Dem Buddy Dyer indicted for violating state election law: In this one his membership in the Democratic party is mentioned in the SUBTITLE:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/12/State/Orlando_Mayor_Dyer_is.shtml

Here's one of Maryland state Senator Thomas Bromwell (D-MD) being nailed for making racist remarks. Party affiliation mentioned in FIRST SENTENCE: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-te.md.bromwell22mar22,0,4485493.story

Is that enough for you? Clearly you've based your assumption on faulty/no data and the evidence does not support it. I hardly expect you to acknowledge this or to admit that you have erred in judgment.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8031883 - 02/16/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Virus_with_Shoes said:


Check this out. Article about Republican Mayor of Providence, Buddy Cianci who was convicted of racketeering conspiracy. His party affiliation is NEVER mentioned in the article and this is coming from the New York Times. You can't get more liberal than that! If you saw any liberal media bias SURELY you'd see it here.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0DD103EF934A3575AC0A9649C8B63





His party affiliation probably wasn't mentioned because he didn't have one. From your link:

"Voters will chose a successor for Mr. Cianci, who was elected as an independent"

From his wiki:

"After this loss, Cianci drifted away from the Republican Party and by 1982 he had become an Independent."

20 years before his conviction.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8031985 - 02/16/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LOL



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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Phred]
    #8032189 - 02/16/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My mistake, I was in a rush :nonono: . The point still stands though and you still have yet to prove your liberal media bias theory, especially in light of the articles I've provided that prominently display Democrat party affiliation with scandal-embroiled politicians.

To compensate for my fuckup in the last post, here's some better examples of Republican politicians having their parties omitted or mentioned late in the article.
This is from the DC Madam scandal. David Vitter, Republican senator from Louisiana, exposed for visiting a hooker. Party never mentioned in article: http://www.wdsu.com/news/13657113/detail.html

Another guy from the DC madam scandal. The best part about this guy is that when he was head of USAID, he required recipients of US aid to submit a legal document denouncing prostitution. One year later he's wrung up for fucking prostitutes in his spare time :lol: Goddamn I love these Republicans. No mention of the word Republican in this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/27/dc.madam/index.html

Jim West, Republican Mayor of Spokane connected to several gay scandals. His membership as a Republican only mentioned deep into the article... http://www.spokesmanreview.com/jimwest/story.asp?ID=050505_westmain


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8032366 - 02/16/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The Vitter article, which is in a local NO media, does indeed not mention Vitter's party. Perhaps because an article the previous day started off like this:

"WASHINGTON -- Sen. David Vitter is apologizing for what he called "a very serious sin" in his past.

The Louisiana Republican said his telephone number..."

and presumably the locals know his party.

In regard to the second guy, Randal Tobias, his wiki doesn't mention any party affiliation either, perhaps because he wasn't a politician. He had zero public service until he was appointed AIDS czar, which was the complete total of his public service.

Finally there's an article about Jim West, Mayor of Spokane in a local Spokane newspaper. Once again, one might assume that the readers of the local Spokane newspaper would already be well aware of their mayors party affiliation. The NY Times, on the other hand, announced it thusly:

"SPOKANE, Wash., Dec. 7 - Seven months after a newspaper reported that Mayor Jim West, one of this state's most prominent conservative Republicans, was a closeted gay man..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/national/08west.html?scp=2&sq=spokane+mayor+jim+west&st=nyt

Neither of you guys is going to prove anything by dredging up random articles.


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Re: Do Republican Politicians Deserve To Be Held To a Higher Standard? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8032576 - 02/16/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Neither of you guys is going to prove anything by dredging up random articles.




Exactly. We're getting bogged down in details and losing the main point. The original assertion by Phred was in 2 parts,

i)
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whenever a politician is caught doing something wrong, if it's a Republican, his party affiliation is trumpeted in the headline of the article. If not in the headline, then in the very first sentence of the piece.




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If the miscreant is a Democrat, the party affiliation is often never mentioned at all. If it is mentioned, it will be seventeen paragraphs into the article.




Point ii is easily dealt with by citing several articles that show scumbag Democrat politicians having their party affiliation being prominently touted early on in the articles. This has been done already.

That leaves point i, which is much harder to prove and is very wide in scope. In order to really get a good, unbiased answer for that one you'd have to have a study where someone's examined a cross-section of hundreds of articles pertaining to corrupt politicians and see if their party affiliation is discussed. The burden of proof is on Phred for that one since he made the claim. I've listed articles where that's not the case and I'm sure he could show me some where it is. We could sit here linking articles all day long that seem to prove our side is correct but in the end it's all speculation unless someone gathers and analyses a bunch of raw data proving or disproving the existence of a liberal media bias.


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