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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Learyfan]
#8018848 - 02/13/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think Kesey and his group were more freaked out by the crowd's reaction to the Beatles, rather than to the Beatles themselves.
I don't really get freaked out by them.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Lion]
#8018857 - 02/13/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes.
The Beatles were part of CIA mass mind control experiments.
Also, In ancient Egypt, Set (Satan) was also called Pep.
Many references to Pep like Sgt. Pepper and Dr. Pepper are veiled satanism.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Middleman]
#8018861 - 02/13/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Middleman said: Yes.
The Beatles were part of CIA mass mind control experiments.
Also, In ancient Egypt, Set (Satan) was also called Pep.
Many references to Pep like Sgt. Pepper and Dr. Pepper are veiled satanism.
And as everyone knows, this in turn fingers Chester Cheeto as a demon, as Cheetos and Dr. Pepper go so well together.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Middleman]
#8018869 - 02/13/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't tell whether you're being facetious, but I suppose it doesn't really matter. Their songs have a certain intangible 'layered' quality... Maybe they were just geniuses with a high degree of understanding of human emotions and the unconscious.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Lion]
#8018886 - 02/13/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm serious.
You'd be surprised how many of our 'heros' were involved with the CIA or in cahoots with the Empire.
You'd really be surprised at the hidden origins of many major corporation names and logos...
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Middleman]
#8018887 - 02/13/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Learyfan]
#8018906 - 02/13/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know what you mean same with the doors and ledzepplin I enjoy the music but cant listen to it when I trip.
Wierd vibes.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Lion]
#8018922 - 02/13/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lion said: I enjoy listening to their music by and large, but sometimes I feel like it is intended to brainwash people. Something about them doesn't seem quite human. Like the scene in Electric Kool-Aid when the Pranksters get bad vibes from the Beatles concert, like the music is controlling the masses...sometimes I get that vibe from them. Know what I mean?
You're young, aren't you? It's ok...me too, but I think I'm on just the other side of some generational threshold. You don't really comprehend it yet.
The Beatles aren't human. What they did, and went through and became...then un-became: the beatles are not 'humans', although there are humans in the Beatles. The boomers and their parents are everywhere. EVERYWHERE. And the Beatles blew a lot of their fucking minds and definitely changed this country.
There's mind control from two sides. The first is the band themselves. They'd love to turn you on. I remember an interview a while back, where like, Owsley or Leary or one of those guys and some friends rushed back to listen to Sgt. Pepper when it first came out; afterwards, he quipped that his work was done, that the trip had been grasped, then translated to the masses or something. It might have actually been w\ Garcia, I'd love to find it again...
The other one is just history slipping away the way it always does.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Learyfan]
#8018937 - 02/13/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys are fucking *DUMB* if you think that they were consciously trying to influence people into using psychedelics
seriously that is god damn asinine and sorta makes me mad that one would even think of that.
Put the pipe down, drink some coffee, come down a little bit. The song "Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds" wasn't even intended to be a double entendre for LSD.
Oh also, the electric kool-aide acid test would be the sorta thing you should be getting the "ACID IS GOOD FOR YOU" vibe from, not the beatles.
Shit, read about the song meanings for a lot of their songs, yeh *some* were about drugs, SOME, but they are few and far between. As I recall, the only song that was actually about LSD was "Day Tripper", about a girl who takes her trips in the day time. And the point isnt about tripping, its just a catchy ass pop song, there was no deep "OMG psychedelics!!!" meaning behind it.
Some of the people on this site seriously need to get over themselves about psychedelics, its so elitist, like as if EVERYTHING can be traced back to people using psychedelics, its just dumb.
I mean, OFCOURSE it influenced the beatles, it influenced a lot of people, infact, its hard NOT to be influenced by psychedelics, but not every piece of art, literature, music ETC is consciously rendered to be overtly about them. fuck.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: toastandjam]
#8018941 - 02/13/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool post man. 
Actually, the whole Sgt. Peppers CD reminds me more of tripping on LSD than any other music I've ever heard. Still, it's a far cry from the experience itself.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Helpme1]
#8018983 - 02/13/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Helpme1 said: You guys are fucking *DUMB* if you think that they were consciously trying to influence people into using psychedelics
seriously that is god damn asinine and sorta makes me mad that one would even think of that.
Your dumb for stating that they didnt. Now I'm not saying they did, but do you know? Are you john lennon? STFU
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: awesomebastard]
#8019011 - 02/13/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomery's stark elitism at its finest!
Have you actually listened to the beatles?
Like after you grew a pair and realized the world doesn't revolve around mushrooms and LSD?
Have you taken the time to read what the beatles actually intended the songs to be about?
I guess you think they were lying when they were talking about the "true" meanings of the songs, to fool us all again, right?
Bold call, my friend, bold call.
EDIT: It *isnt* a secret btw, like they didn't try to hide the meanings of the songs one bit. Paul straight up said that "Got to get you into my life" was about his love for weed, and how he smokes it daily. I doubt they would try to decieve us, especially after all these years. Lennon has said that "yellow submarine" was about his first acid trip and how it looked like he was in a yellow submarine...so its no secret that they were involved in extensive drug use during their time in the band.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Helpme1]
#8019045 - 02/13/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Helpme1 said: Shroomery's stark elitism at its finest!
Have you actually listened to the beatles?
Like after you grew a pair and realized the world doesn't revolve around mushrooms and LSD?
Have you taken the time to read what the beatles actually intended the songs to be about?
I guess you think they were lying when they were talking about the "true" meanings of the songs, to fool us all again, right?
Bold call, my friend, bold call.
how is stating that I nore you know anything being elitist.
You are acting pretty hypocritical my friend, im just saying you think that people are elitists and yet claim that your opinion is truth.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Helpme1]
#8019072 - 02/13/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Woah woah, lets get one thing straight.
What I am saying about the beatles is *NOT* my opinion. This is straight from the beatles mouth's themself.
How can their intention of a song meaning be MY opinion? are you fucking jewish or something?
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Helpme1]
#8019109 - 02/13/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Helpme1 said: You guys are fucking *DUMB* if you think that they were consciously trying to influence people into using psychedelics
seriously that is god damn asinine and sorta makes me mad that one would even think of that.
Put the pipe down, drink some coffee, come down a little bit. The song "Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds" wasn't even intended to be a double entendre for LSD.
Oh also, the electric kool-aide acid test would be the sorta thing you should be getting the "ACID IS GOOD FOR YOU" vibe from, not the beatles.
Shit, read about the song meanings for a lot of their songs, yeh *some* were about drugs, SOME, but they are few and far between. As I recall, the only song that was actually about LSD was "Day Tripper", about a girl who takes her trips in the day time. And the point isnt about tripping, its just a catchy ass pop song, there was no deep "OMG psychedelics!!!" meaning behind it.
Some of the people on this site seriously need to get over themselves about psychedelics, its so elitist, like as if EVERYTHING can be traced back to people using psychedelics, its just dumb.
I mean, OFCOURSE it influenced the beatles, it influenced a lot of people, infact, its hard NOT to be influenced by psychedelics, but not every piece of art, literature, music ETC is consciously rendered to be overtly about them. fuck.
Whoa, here-- pick this pipe up. Chill all around.
I'm not saying the Beatles are all about drugs. I'm not saying that songs were written as CIA propaganda like the Beatles are introducing crack to Black neighborhoods. The influence is clearly there in the music, the specific inclusion\embracing of that influence into their lives and personalities, and WHEN they did so is important. Thats why I was trying to measure by the reaction of some hipper contemporaries.
Yes, I know Lucy in the Sky wasn't specifically 'LSD'. Listen to the Beatles, especially during their psychedelic period, like 66-69. Does that make you want to take drugs, think of drugs? I don't think you can say they were unaware of this.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Helpme1]
#8019122 - 02/13/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Helpme1 said: Woah woah, lets get one thing straight.
What I am saying about the beatles is *NOT* my opinion. This is straight from the beatles mouth's themself.
How can their intention of a song meaning be MY opinion? are you fucking jewish or something?
Woah waoh lets get one thing striaght, people lie. By your logic everything that george bush has said in his presidency is true becase it came from his mouth.
You need to get over yourself, and yes i admit so do i and everyone here but you come in and claim to know the intensions of strangers because "they said so".
If you would have read my response to your post you would see i siad i wasnt saying that it was a psychedelic conspiracy, but I dont know and neither do you. so stop insulting everyone here.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Lion]
#8019135 - 02/13/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, I think the Beatles were cool when they were as a group, even Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are still cool. I don't like Paul's new music as much, but I always liked his music as well.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: awesomebastard]
#8019137 - 02/13/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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awesomebastard said:
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Helpme1 said: You guys are fucking *DUMB* if you think that they were consciously trying to influence people into using psychedelics
seriously that is god damn asinine and sorta makes me mad that one would even think of that.
Your dumb for stating that they didnt. Now I'm not saying they did, but do you know? Are you john lennon? STFU
the first time i ever tripped we went and seen let it be in 1982 or 3
fucken oath they 'turned people on'
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: awesomebastard]
#8019220 - 02/13/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Holy fuck do you take everything literally? Like seriously bro.
I never said to believe everything that someone says, and even when Lennon says something about his music i take it with a grain of salt, OBVIOUSLY.
What i'm saying is, Lennon has no god damn reason for him to lie about his music, unless ofcourse you believe that it really *was* a universal conspiracy to get people to use psychedelics?
If it *wasnt*, then what the fuck would he be doing lying to everyone about it?
George Bush lies because.....wait.....what is it.....oh yeah, he has a fucking reason, and its *OBVIOUS* that he is lying, unless your are a jackass. John Lennon, a musician, has no reason to lie, he has been frank about his drug use, and frank about drug refrences in his lyrics, why would he selectively lie ?!
But I do agree that there was a level of psychedelia purposely implemented into the music, consciously, yet subjectively, and definately *NOT* intended to get the masses to start droppin acid.
They were probably just some fuckin young kids that were trippin out on acid and said,(beatles voices) "paul, you look like a bloody walrus" "*giggles* john, i think your right....you are the eggmen and i am the walrus" *BAM* new song.
but fuck i *do* need some weed. im completely god damn downright belligerent right now.
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Re: Do the Beatles give anyone else the creeps? [Re: Helpme1]
#8019303 - 02/13/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im just trying to get you to see that you know nothing no one does. Yes I agree that there is a level of elitism here, but thats how the world works, every animal sees itself as most important, humans also see there own race or beliefs as most important or true. You are also doing this by holding your belief that there was no conspiracy over someone elses opinion. What you are doing is essentially following a dogma. there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other. it is just word of mouth, very similar to the story of jesus and all the miracles he performed.
Oh yeah and if there were a conspricy to get people to do drugs, It would be much less effective if he came out and said that there was and back in those days im sure they would have pulled the records off the shelves.
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