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Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back
    #8015664 - 02/12/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so hes transitioning out of the race
mccain vs obama
obama wins
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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8016300 - 02/13/08 03:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like a good thing to me. :smile:

Ron Paul will have renewed support and his book will come out in a couple of months, and he's got a great publisher that can get him out there with some media appearances. He's really started a movement and they are working together and planning ahead and looking to get more politicians like Ron Paul elected. It is nice to see this man who has fought for so long in Washington for the people to finally find his support, and to see it so strong.

And Obama seems pretty capable of leading America into the future, in the interest of the people. :thumbup:


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8022021 - 02/14/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hope so, dude.

But you gotta think rationally... if the American public could elect the dumbest fuck of a Republican not once, but TWICE... they should have no problem electing war-monger McCain, especially over a minority candidate. There are plenty of educated voters in America, but sadly, I think there are many more uneducated voters as well :frown:

"If the war lasts 100 years, that's how long we will be there," is not a quote I want to hear from MY President.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Hefe]
    #8022036 - 02/14/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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"If the war lasts 100 years, that's how long we will be there," is not a quote I want to hear from MY President.




Then it's a darn good thing that isn't a quote from any of the candidates in the running for the presidency.




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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8022061 - 02/14/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think if Obama wins Ron Paul will could easily be done for at least the next four years, probably for good. The reason Ron Paul has done so well is because of Bush, and without a Bush, what does Ron Paul have?


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8022105 - 02/14/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Phred said:
Quote:

"If the war lasts 100 years, that's how long we will be there," is not a quote I want to hear from MY President.




Then it's a darn good thing that isn't a quote from any of the candidates in the running for the presidency.




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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8022145 - 02/14/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Coaster said:
so hes transitioning out of the race
mccain vs obama
obama wins
game over...




I've come to the conclusion that its gonna be easier for the GOP to beat Obama than Clinton.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8022910 - 02/14/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ok stickler, so it wasn't word for word, but he damn sure made it clear he did not mind if the US is in Iraq for 100 years.

Get up to date on your politics, you're the reason we had Bush for the past 8 years... :nonono:



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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8022919 - 02/14/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Also, if we're playing stickler here, Presidency should be capitalized, Phred.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Hefe]
    #8023574 - 02/14/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok stickler, so it wasn't word for word, but he damn sure made it clear he did not mind if the US is in Iraq for 100 years.




If you actually gave a shit about the truth -- rather than perpetuating your own prejudices -- you would have expended the fifteen seconds of effort to find the transcript of his remarks. Then you would have seen it plain as day that he was comparing a potential US presence in Iraq with the actual historical presence of US troops in Japan, Germany, and South Korea. More than six frigging decades in Japan, and counting, Hefe.




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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8023624 - 02/14/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ron paul in his new video said straight up
that mccain wants to be in iraq for 100 years and that America cant afford it


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8026125 - 02/15/08 07:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

given the number of US military personnel being arrested for rape in japan, can we really afford to be there?


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8026205 - 02/15/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ron paul in his new video said straight up
that mccain wants to be in iraq for 100 years and that America cant afford it




Ron Paul says lots of things that are untrue.

What counts isn't what a political opponent claims McCain said, what counts is what McCain actually said. It's not as if the conversation wasn't recorded, you know. There are hundreds of places on the net that have the entire transcript. Why not look it up?




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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8026301 - 02/15/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> There are hundreds of places on the net that have the entire transcript. Why not look it up?

It was actually a bit difficult to find the transcript, in context. Saving others the effort:

Quote:

Q: "President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years --"

McCAIN: "Make it a hundred."

Q: "Is that. . . ."

McCAIN: "We've been in South Korea ... we've been in Japan for 60 years. We've been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans ..."

Q: (Tries to say something)

McCAIN: "As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That's fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day."




In context, it is clear that he is talking about having a presence in the Middle East (or Iraq) for the next hundred years; he is not talking about fighting a war in Iraq for the next hundred years.

(I'm not a McCain supporter, but people need to stop taking his statements out of context and trying to make it sound like he is advocating a hundred year long war!)


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8026427 - 02/15/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, you just can't stand the thought of a Democrat being elected President, can you?

Conservative or not, you should be able to see we are not helping anything by being in Iraq.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Hefe]
    #8026716 - 02/15/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Moonbat or not you should be able to see that we have helped tremendously by being in Iraq


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8026802 - 02/15/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> Moonbat or not

Please play nice.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Seuss]
    #8026807 - 02/15/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All the things he says, and *that* is the one that draws rebuke?

That was mild!


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8026973 - 02/15/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> That was mild!

And public. I usually leave this sort of thing to the moderators, and when I do step in, it is usually in private.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Seuss]
    #8026985 - 02/15/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I get flamed more than anybody in this entire forum. Maybe more than everybody else combined. Is moonbat somehow different from wingnut?


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8027371 - 02/15/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ya americans cant afford to build 14 bases the size of the vatican in iraq
thats wut were doing, and mccain wants to stay there for 100 years
FUCK THAT, they are taking our money away and putting into halburton's pockets


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8027571 - 02/15/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You don't have any money. They're taking my money and doing what I want them to in Iraq.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8027979 - 02/15/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are you a contractor or an arms dealer?:thumbup:


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Icelander]
    #8028207 - 02/15/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8028220 - 02/15/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

did u no the head of haliburton made over $100 million since the war started
watch the movie "iraq for sale"
it lowers troop moral becuase civialns are gettin 4-5x the pay of the military people for THE SAME JOBS
im no communist but still thats insane


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Coaster]
    #8029386 - 02/15/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Aren't you the same guy who doesn't want troops in Iraq?

But you're complaining about contractor pay?

Would you do that job for $5.25?


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Phred]
    #8029424 - 02/15/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ron Paul says lots of things that are untrue.




If the trend continues, not being able to pay for it was not one of his falsities, however.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Redstorm]
    #8029450 - 02/15/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Really?

Is it?

I'm no supporter of The War as I'm sure you know. But I question that economic argument. No doubt it is a hellaciously expensive undertaking and the money could be better spent in a myriad of other ways. But I find it hard to believe that The War is costing so much that we would bankrupt ourselves trying to continue it.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8030459 - 02/16/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ahh, but Ron Paul never said that the Iraqi War, in and of itself, would bankrupt this country. The Iraqi War is simply the straw that broke the camel's back.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8030544 - 02/16/08 09:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The camel's back is quite strong and up to the task.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8030605 - 02/16/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's always strong when we don't even make a cursory effort at paying back the budget deficit or national debt. It's like the little kid who covers his head with a blanket because if he pretends the monster isn't there, it isn't.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Redstorm]
    #8030832 - 02/16/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Another one all twisted in knots over the national debt. It's not that big a deal.


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8030895 - 02/16/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How about the budget deficit?


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Re: Ron Paul fights for his congressional seat back [Re: Redstorm]
    #8033773 - 02/17/08 06:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its not a big deal if our country is stable, if we're perceived as "good for it" by those we are in debt to. Its looking like that isn't a direction we'll continue to head in until we have some effective reforms in policy...

Which is why Obama's the man. :headbang:


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