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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: mycofile]
    #685270 - 06/18/02 07:29 AM (20 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: mycofile]
    #685289 - 06/18/02 07:38 AM (20 years, 12 days ago)

And for my phishyphriend:
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1>can you use plastic trash cans or is there a reason you used metal/ also when you let your stuff drain are you concerned with the fact that it would just be layin there drainin in your bath tub???



I?ve used large 55 gallon plastic pickle barrells before, so I assume you can use plastic trash can. Never really worried about it being in the tub. Of course the tub was relatively clean. Not fit to eat off of, but not full of mold and shit.
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2>how much grain/birdseed would you recomened you say a bag but there are a few different size bags(jus wounderin)??



I think I answered this above. I used the largest bags I could find. Sometimes they were from FP, sometimes other places. I had these enormous bags with 2 filter patches that I used sometimes, I have no idea where I got them. So far as recomendations, I would use at least a pint per square foot. Actually, that?s what I?d recomend. Personally I would use AT LEAST a quart per square foot. But I liked overkill.
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3>can you describe how much plastic you used to line the box and how you perferated the top plastic?did you tape the liner in or just let it chill?did you sterilize the plastic?



I think it was a couple (2-3) layers of plastic bags to line the boxes. It was taped around the outside where it folded down a few inches. Clear packing tape was used. No plastic was sterilized, I?ve always been confidant in new unopened plastic products as being pretty clean. Top was perforated based on my judgement and experience (I eyeballed it) which was aquired from shroomgod?s advice on number and type of perforations in his straw tek. I don?t remember how to describe it, but I know it when I see it.
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4>were you concerned with contamination when you aired them out?did you mist alot?



No, I wasn?t concerned with contamination when airing. In fact, I wasn?t particularly concerned with contamination at all becuase I didn?t really care if these succeeded. They were leftovers that didn?t get into the terrerium. I misted when the casing seemed dry (and to be honest that is, if I even checked it that day). Sometimes it may have been twice a day, but usually only once.
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1....did you have any problem initiating pinning ?even if you did?nt how would you suggest getting it to pin if troubles accured?



I had no problem initiating pinning. If I did, I would have reexamined the environment, especially the lack of light. If you want general pinning procedures read TMC?s chapter on the subject. Post a specific question if you have one.
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2....have you had many contamination problems with this procedure?


I haven?t done this since the original three experiments. Contamination did eventually set in after several to many flushes depending on the tray. One tray never contaminated after many flushes, a move to a new location, and eventually several outdoor flushes.
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3....could you use just vermiculite without coir? why do you use coir?



Coir based casing rock and rip! I?ve never ever seen any casing mix that could come close to the speed and quality of growth in a coir based casing. Casing colonizations are about half time in a good coir based casing. Growth is exponentially more rhizomorphic. If you think vermiculite casings are fine, then you can use them. Personally I wouldn?t settle for fine when amazing is attainable.
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4....when you are letting the straw/dung drain do you do this in just your bath tub?



I did in this case. You could do it outside, or in any other room of your house if you prefer.
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5.....how much spawn do you use, and would rye be fine



already covered the amount question. Rye would of course be fine. For all practical purposes, grain is grain. It really depends on which one you can prepare correctly as to which one is best.
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6....do you mist the spawn at all?do you mist the casing at all?



no you don?t mist spawn, yes you mist the casing
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7...how long should i wait till i case?



have you ever grown before? you case when the substrate is colonized
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8...do you case a special way?



everything I do is special...-j/k no.
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9...i dont understtand how the h202 is used, i know you only used it as a saftey precaution but i want to do the same precaution.any explination would be appreciated?


The peroxide methods virtually eliminate the threat of contamination. I think they were described pretty clearly in the original post, especially if you?ve heard of the methods before. Do you have a specific question?
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10..what kind of procedure did you follow when mixing the straw/dung with the grain, what did you mix it in?



Can you not imagine how you could mix spawn and substrate yourself? I used a large tub, mixed the grain and the substrate by hand, then put alternating layers of the substrate and more spawn into the fruiting container. How you do it isn?t really important. Simply get the spawn mixed in with the substrate withouth dropping it on the floor or wiping your ass with it. No real need to be ridiculously paranoid about cleanliness, but you can?t be too clean.
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11... after the straw layer was set ,did you put more grain on top then a layer of dung??



I think the specific way I did it was to shake the top layer of dung with some grain spawn in a trash bag, spread it over the straw, then sprinkle the little bit of remaining grain over the top. Again, I don?t think this important, it?s just the way I did it. All you need to do is thoroughly mix the spawn with the substrate. I do like to have a little spawn directly on top of the top layer of substrate though, thinking that the sooner the top colonizes, the sooner it will act as a protective barrier for the rest of the tray.





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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: mycofile]
    #686682 - 06/18/02 07:29 PM (20 years, 12 days ago)

yes mycofile ive grown plenty.....lol i was just wandering the exact method you used for my info and for every one else. this is a grow log right???????sorry if my questions were repeatitive but you didnt have to answer the same question twice.lol........i want to thank you for taking time to do this you truly have patince....i think....jk. anyways i hope everyone gets all the answers they need . i didnt mean to pester you with my questions but like i said (in so many words) i asked as many questions as me and my dog could think of. i see how it could have been takin as ignorance


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: mycofile]
    #686946 - 06/18/02 09:51 PM (20 years, 12 days ago)

Mycofile you are a great mycologist and have even answered the dumbest questions in this forum. I commend you. Those C02 drainage holes could be filters right? i don?t like the idea of holes in my terrium and i am not clear with what kind of dung is best fresh or kind that has set with alot of other dung and composted. I really don?t want to do trial and error with dung for awhile. When you say it stinks what do you mean . Cow shit stinks fresh and really doesn?t stink unfresh but you say that unfresh is what should be collected. Doesn?t bacteria die off in old dung too ? i was just wondering if building something to pasterize instead of sterilize a large amount of dung and straw is feasable. and if i did that would it ruin the bacteria and set me back to square one with hunting for more to just sterilize and hope that the shit works? thanks for your dedication this is a good grow guide to follow and i know my questions deviate from it but i want to know for my own personal mycological efforts to get that kind of success doubled in terr hopefully if that is even possible


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: phishyfriend]
    #687132 - 06/19/02 12:02 AM (20 years, 12 days ago)

As always Mycofile- You are right- no excuses-Sorry - Angel



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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: ralphster44]
    #687828 - 06/19/02 09:34 AM (20 years, 11 days ago)

I Tried your method with horse dung. I did not allow the mixture to drain overnight. I used a collander to drain excess water. I have strong mycellium growth but I seem to also have a problem with cob-wed mold. I used the hippie bleach method for two days and now I?m just using h2o2 water. I was wondering since I have such a stong mycellium growth (40% of substrate) should I Scrap the substrate and start over or is it possible that the mycellium will eventally take over the cob-web mold? The substrate was never sloppy wet but, I believe that the inproper draining of the substrate may be the cause of the cob-web mold and was wondering IF you agree. In addition I?ve lifted the cardboard box the substrate was in and attempted to drain any excess water and never had any pour out. What are your thoughts? thank you


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: Angel_Magic79]
    #688197 - 06/19/02 01:25 PM (20 years, 11 days ago)

actualy angel i have grown quite a bit not nearly as much as mycofile i dont care what you think i asked some questions that made since when i was stoned but then make me look like a retard. what i ment by misting the spawn ..is when hes done spawning and has mixed it with the 75-25 straw-dung does he mist it before he cases it .so yeah my questions were stupidly worded i was stoned my bad but i didnt know that your retarted ass was making sure my questions were worded correctly. you wish i was full of shit just so you can get me back cause i dissed you dumb ass coathanger terrium when a plastic bag on top is fine. also ive tried a veriation on this tek 2 months ago with not nearly the yeild mycofile produce or near the yeild i think your going to produce yeah you grew bulk nice pics but they look just like every other bulk tek with a dumb wire plastic frame so i guess i have to be quick on my toes but if your lookin for a flame ill wait for you to get stoned and dumb and write somthin stupid and ill refer you to the idiot proof pf tek. but ithought this was for learning, but i guess its all about what you want people to think so sorry to hurt you feelins on your wanna be set up. although i give you props for the progress your trays have made, i hope you choke on a slippery cubie.lol actually i wish you no harm cause id feel bad if you did..remember chew..so im glad you spend you time tryin to flame people so in saying that ill let you go on your way and mimic things with your "twist" when i thought it was common sense that a "dome" (which yourse is not cause its rectangular) surrounded by clear plastic is a terrarium no matter if it wire or wood.ect. you made it seem like you invented the terrarium. ha..so we all say stupid things and your the only person in the world with a cubical dome...


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: sledge]
    #691909 - 06/21/02 07:23 AM (20 years, 9 days ago)

I can?t say if it was the lack of draining which encouraged the cobweb or not. Mycology is a lot like quantum mechanics in that we don?t have causal relationships like in Newtonian physics, only probabilities of various outcomes. With so many factors affecting the probabilities, it?s difficult for me to say from here.

I would say that if you have cobweb, get rid of it. It?s not worth the affect on future experiments to try to milk out a few fruits. I?ve contaminated places so bad I had to move in order to grow anything, very inconvenient to say the least.

Put the box outside, or just burry the whole substrate mass. It will continue to grow, quite possibly overcoming the cobweb due to UV light and constant air exchange. Many times I?ve seen amazing flushes come from once contaminated bulk trays if they are put outside. Don?t risk your other experiments inside, where the cobweb has the advantage anyway.


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: Angel_Magic79]
    #691920 - 06/21/02 07:31 AM (20 years, 9 days ago)

Angel, hey man, you want to chill a little bit? No need to be so vulgar. I?ve never understood the mindset of "I?ll help people grow shrooms only if they already know how to grow shrooms". Yeah, there were some dumb questions in there, but they were asked to me, not you. I think my somewhat subtle digs in my replies were apparently sufficient to express that they were silly questions. Why do YOU feel like you should flame him for asking ME questions? Actually, don?t answer that, we?re far too off-topic already.

Let?s just suffice it to say that I wasn?t planning on writing a "tek" which would spell out all the specifics of how to do things, because many different ways are acceptable in a lot of cases. Most people aren?t familiar with that, and want someone to tell them how to grow down to the last detail. That?s fine. If it helps someone grow, or simply improves their view of mycology, then isn?t that why we?re here?


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report [Re: mycofile]
    #692700 - 06/21/02 03:21 PM (20 years, 9 days ago)

You?re a righteous man indeed, Mycofile. ^^


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report *completed* [Re: mycofile]
    #753260 - 07/17/02 12:06 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Just wondering:

How many quart jars of grain would suffice if filter spawn bags are not used to innoculate the substrate given the exact same measurements ( 2? square and 8 inches deep) to house the mycellium given in your tek?



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Re: Bulk Neglect Report *completed* [Re: trippy]
    #799781 - 08/06/02 11:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I liked to use a quart jar per square foot. You can get by with as little as 1 quart per 8 sq. ft per stamets, but thats really only for commercial farmers who are worried about the cost of buying/procucing spawn. I wouldn?t recomend using less than a quart per 2 sq. ft.

The more spawn, the better, not just due to increased colonization times, but also to supplement the relatively low nutrition in straw.

BTW, I didn?t read back but I think I already answered that ? at least once.


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Re: Bulk Neglect Report *completed* [Re: mycofile]
    #801539 - 08/07/02 06:25 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

great log mycofile. thanks

you stated
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The chunk is rinsed in 3% H2O2, and placed in a small jar containing sterile distilled water and peroxide (roughly .0015% H2O2)



when you say the chunk is rinsed in 3% h2o2 do you mean straight drug store bought hydrogen peroxide that says 3% on the label, or do did you use store bought 3% h2o2 and then add 97 parts water to that. also, same question for the soaking in 0.0015% h2o2. i have read the Wayne book and his method would suggest that when you say 3% you mean strait store bought peroxide, but i have never tried using peroxide so i wanted to be sure.

also, did you bother to calculate the actual h2o2 concentration as Wayne suggests, or did you just trust the label... something tells me you didn?t bother to measure

thanks



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