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NickMorely
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Physical Toll
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I've been lurking in the forums for a long time now and finally have something I feel I need to share. I just flushed .1 grams of DMT down the toilet, I'll explain how I got to that decision. My apologies for such a long rambling post.
A few months ago I made up a few hundred mg of DMT. I'm a tinkerer and enjoyed the process; I did a lot of reading and wanted to fully understand the chemistry before I started. It took a week or two before I had the guts to try it. Started out small, 20g or so and tried to build my way up. I never broke through but wanted to, I ran out of my supply before I figured out how to properly smoke it, I was melting most of it and it was dripping into the bong. Looking back I could have also extracted much more.
I found some more MHRB and made up another batch and figured out how to properly smoke it. I stacked 4 screens inside a small bong. The melted DMT would basically soak into the screens and would neither burn away nor drip away. I was finally able to break through. I broke through probably 15 times over the past few months and here is a summary of my experience.
-While on the other side everything took a mechanical almost computerized existence. It was a different world, everything had a sharp geometric shapes that kind of had a surface rendering almost like a fractal, it would go on forever.
-There were entities on the other side. These were not aliens or beings from another realm. They seemed to be sub being of my own self, identities of my subconscious.
-The "other side" didn't seem to be another world but the deepest most basic part of my self. It was often a harsh experience, I guess I was looking for some sort of larger truth outside of my own existence. It didn't happen and gave me feelings of loneliness realizing the only truth out there is the truth that I personally see, touch and smell. A harsh realization but good motivation to go out and experience life to it's fullest.
-After breaking through there was a 30-minute or so come down where my thoughts were so clear. Things I would normally ignore or repress became impossible to do so. It was impossible to ignore how dirty my house was or how awesome my girlfriend was. Once again a harsh but a good lesson.
-I would never really describe the experience as fun. But a learning experience but there was one very strange side affect. Smelling DMT, even thinking about smoking DMT gave me a strange reaction. My heart would race, I start to sweat, basically an adrenaline rush. Getting ready to smoke it was an exhilarating experience I can only compare it to the first time I tried skydiving, but that rush would happen every time. That in itself was pulled me towards the experience more than anything else.
Now the bad
-I had no control over smoking the stuff if I had it around. It wasn't like I was addicted. I would go weeks without trying DMT. But then there were days when I didn't want to smoke it and I would. It told me when, not the other way around. Hard to explain, I've always prided myself on having good self control but with DMT I had none. It controlled me.
-When I did smoke DMT I would go weeks without touching it then would go two nights smoking a few times each night. Each time I would end up getting sick. Even had the shingles, that really sucked. It always happened after smoking DMT. DMT is supposed to cause your body to do weird things like increase production of growth hormone. I don't know if this caused my problems or if it was the anxiety associated with using it. Either way it took it's toll.
-The stuff kills my lungs.
Anyway today after breaking through again I have come to the conclusion I have learned everything I can for now, the physical toll of DMT is too much. I had to get rid of what I had left. Maybe another day down the road I will need to go on another journey. For now I'll stick to shrooms. They are such a kind and gentle gift.
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FarFromHere
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Dude awesome fucking post!
5 shrooms for you!
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yageman
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Thats really interesting.
The fusion of the mind and body is a very complex thing.What you are experiencing is almost entirely about psychosomatic difficulties and anxiety.
Last time I got really stressed out I got a bad cold and then it took over my body. I developed a musculoskeletal problem where my whole body hurt and my entire ribcage was just FUCKED. I cant believe I let myself get so stressed out. It was my fault, not the cold.
Thanks for sharing.
Cool post.
very informative.
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For now I'll stick to shrooms. They are such a kind and gentle gift.
Try Trichocereus cactus...they are even calmer than mushrooms.
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NickMorely
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For now I'll stick to shrooms. They are such a kind and gentle gift.
Try Trichocereus cactus...they are even calmer than mushrooms.
I've tried some San Pedro. The cactus proved to be very weak and the results were weak accordingly but the low level buzz was very very nice. I did not enjoy using the harsh chemicals required to extract though. I don't have the stomach to ingest straight up.
I'm growing what is left of the San Pedro and hope to plant some Peruvian torch. That will be a multi year project though. Good things come to those who wait.
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Awesome post dude. Just wondering, what is the shingles? LOL. I have never heard that, it doesnt sound good though. Is it the same as sharding?
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I don't have the stomach to ingest straight up.
Theres a way to prep' it that will not only work, but it's fairly easy on the stomach.
It requires only a stove, a pot and some water.
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what is the shingles?
Horrible nerve pain... my grandpa had it...
This is why is another reason I promote organics...
I doubt ayahuasca would have had this type of negative effect on you...
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NickMorely
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Rainman420 said: Awesome post dude. Just wondering, what is the shingles? LOL. I have never heard that, it doesnt sound good though. Is it the same as sharding?
Shingles is basically a re-occurance of chicken pox. The virus never leaves your body but you normally have a natural defense against it. Typically only the very old or people with weak immune systems get it. I consider myself to be very healthy person and can only imagine that the DMT or the anxiety related to it cause the outbreak. I also got cancher sores after using DMT. Cancher sores and shingles/chicken pox are all variations of the same virus and typically require something to trigger it.
I did a bit of research and it seems DMT triggers an increased level of growth hormone in your body as well as other hormones. Growth hormone can trigger latent viral activity, as well as stress. I think either the stress/rush of DMT or the hormonal reaction caused my problems. I might be way off base but it is the only explanation I can think of. I didn't exactly tell my Dr. I've been experimenting with potent hallucinogens but some personal research leads me to that direction.
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but did you really have to flush it? i mean come on...
half the fun of dmt (and psychedelics in general) is spreading the love. im sure you could have found someone that would have enjoyed you last little bit.
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NickMorely
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wrestler_az said: but did you really have to flush it? i mean come on...
half the fun of dmt (and psychedelics in general) is spreading the love. im sure you could have found someone that would have enjoyed you last little bit.
I hear ya but the only people I know who would be interested live hours away. I would have just packed it up but like I said it seemed to control me. To be honest, my interest in psychedelics is my own little secret. But for a few old friends and a few close non participating friends, no one I associate with daily would understand. It is all a very personal matter for me.
I still have some MHRB I will give to a deserving home along with a little bit of knowledge.
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well, im sorry your experiences ended on such a negative note. i cant say i blame you, you do what you gotta do. i for one am infatuated with this drug... and maybe your thread will prove to be a warning of what may come, if i dont watch myself.
might i ask, where you got that info about dmts effects on the growth hormones? ive never heard that...
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Shrooms are beauty and the beast, man I've had some intense trips haha.
awesome post too, makes me wanna try DMT but carefully
-------------------- When you make your peace with authority, you become authority. - Jim Morrison The most loving parents and relatives commit murder with smiles on their faces. They force us to destroy the person we really are: a subtle kind of murder. - Jim Morrison
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its times like these that remind me to appreciate the beer mor slowly.. damn ever passing moment i need a time diilation machine. AR that be the brains ay. if only the psy were to accumulate within our vessels without unecessary depletion. what im saying is, sure we got to exhale but if god damn i needs better prana im sick of the oyster life.
knowledge is a never ending stream of commercials, you aint gotta buy none of that shit, sometimes you got to turn the tv off for a while and go swimming
naked
id drink to your good health/lent/fast/detox/gnu explorations & adventures if satan had not stolen the whiskey fromst beneath my comatose body.
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NickMorely
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wrestler_az said: well, im sorry your experiences ended on such a negative note. i cant say i blame you, you do what you gotta do. i for one am infatuated with this drug... and maybe your thread will prove to be a warning of what may come, if i dont watch myself.
might i ask, where you got that info about dmts effects on the growth hormones? ive never heard that...
Overall it was a positive experience. Just at some point the negatives outweighed the positives.
I found the growth hormone reference in several places. The easiest to find is in Wikipedia. Maybe Roger Clemens should have been smoking spice instead of shooting up HGH 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
"Dimethyltryptamine dose dependently elevated blood pressure, heart rate, pupil diameter, and rectal temperature, in addition to elevating blood concentrations of beta-endorphin, corticotropin, cortisol, and prolactin. Growth hormone blood levels rose equally in response to all doses of DMT, and melatonin levels were unaffected."
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What made you want to smoke pure DMT instead of trying Ayahuasca (B. caapi + Psychotria species infused into water)???
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This is a great thread that has really gotten me thinking.
This isn't an easy path. Psychedelics have a tendency to give you puzzles; challenges that teach little lessons about the proper ways to work with and prepare the plants and drugs, and the right ways for you to use them.
This, especially, is a very tricky substance. You graduated step one by obtaining it, now you are in what could be a much more difficult problem of how to make it work for you. I wonder if the solution is staring you right in the face, as it has been for me in so many similar (but I admit, much less severe) situations.
Of course it's entirely possible DMT just isn't for you. I also have to ask, have you tried ayahuasca, or any orally active DMT combination? You could be the type of person that finds ayahuasca to be much deeper and more integrated and structured than a five minute DMT session can offer. I know a lot of us have come to that conclusion.
DMT is an amazing thing, and I hope you find a way to enjoy it. There really is no substitution.
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My experiences with smoking DMT have been very trying as well. I've had a lot of trouble with the smoke and with breaking through. I've decided to give Aya a try, & also MAOI + smoked DMT. Maybe that will help.
I, too, get a huge rush of adrenaline, shakiness, outright fear before smoking, even thinking about it. If I even smell it, I get shaky and feel like I have to take a shit.
My mind tries to tell me that it's testing me, but I don't believe that really. Before I smoke, I tell the DMT "I trust you". Then I dive in.
Smoked DMT does "call" me - I feel like I have to take a run at it, there's no easing into it, it's like leaping off a cliff. My last experience scared the shit out of me, I burned the spice and had a choking coughing attack (thought I was going to have to call for help!).
DMT is too intriguing for me to walk away from at this point, but I feel it's demanding a lot from me to continue with it.
Anyways, I totally understand why you severed the relationship (although it's true, the remainder could have been gifted!)
Happy Trails, Friend
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