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Offlineislander20
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Pedro Tar
    #8014820 - 02/12/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've made an extract from 43g san pedro using 99% iso. Did 3 pulls, shaking occasionally and leaving it for about 4 days each time. My question is will this be enough for a decent mescaline trip? I've never tried mescaline, just mushrooms and salvia. Should I just hold out till I get more cactus?

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: islander20]
    #8014885 - 02/12/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think the doseage range fir wet pedro is upwards of a pound, so id wait, order a few cuttings from bbb or somewhere


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8014932 - 02/12/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Zinglons Acolyte said:
i think the doseage range fir wet pedro is upwards of a pound, so id wait, order a few cuttings from bbb or somewhere




That shit is funny^^^^
maybe im crazy, but id assume he is talking about dried pedro.

43 grams could actually kick your ass depending on the quality, and your sensitivity.

Sounds like a fine idea.

So what you are going to want to do, is consume that tar.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: yageman]
    #8014941 - 02/12/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i just assumed wet because selling dried pedro is a kinda dark grey area in the US, cause it would be selling mescaline containing cacti for consumption


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"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8014995 - 02/12/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Have you ever met anyone with a small bag of wet san pedro thinking it will work out?

Ya, it is a gray area, but some idiot companies still sell it.
It could be considered a preparation, but apparently these companies still do it, which is pretty stupid for a variety of reasons.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: yageman]
    #8015154 - 02/12/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

O yeah my mistake, it was dried pedro, got it locally from a contact, ive also gotten some live peyote from him, which is legal in Canada. Love this country haha.
Thats great news, can't wait till I find a good time for this.

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: islander20]
    #8015179 - 02/12/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:rockon:You will trip balls.

Eat it all!


You've got plenty!


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: FarFromHere]
    #8015190 - 02/12/08 09:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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FarFromHere said:
:rockon:You will trip balls.

Eat it all!


You've got plenty!




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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8017285 - 02/13/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hmm that makes me think if i dry all my pedro i can find out how much a full dose is by doing alcohol extracts and find the rough amount to saturate the alcohol and see if a fully saturated 1000ml of 91% using pedro works well as a dose. awesome idea. i know with the p torch i get 30-45 saturates that much alcohol and is a full dose tho i like to make 60-65g doses. but thats only for the hardcore people avg peopel i give 30 and they seem to get the same joy but ihave to say 30 has hit me as hard as 60g extracts before tho whe doing tea theres always an maoi in it


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: thedudenj]
    #8018525 - 02/13/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why do you have MAOI's in there? Are you adding something?

http://www.azarius.net/encyclopedia/18/MAOIs/

List of dangerous combinations
Below is a list of substances, that you should NOT take 12 hours before and 12 hours after taking a MAO-inhibitor.

Very dangerous:

antidepressants containing Selective Serotonine Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's) such as the herb Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum) and pills such as paroxetine (Seroxat), fluoxetine (Prozac), citalopram (Cipramil), fluvoxamine (Fevarin) and sertraline (Zoloft)
sleeping-pills
anaesthetics
migraine medicines
allergy medicines
over the counter cold medicines
cocaine
amphetamines (speed)
MDMA (XTC)
mescaline cacti (peyote and san pedro)
alcohol
ephedra/ephedrine (for example in products such as Ephedra Super caps, Super stacker, Ultra Boost)
pseudoephedrine
macromerine
phentermine.


Can cause headaches or sickness:

cultured dairy products (buttermilk, yogurt, and sour cream)
all aged/mature cheese (exception: cottage cheese, cream cheese)
dry and fermented sausage (bologna, salami, pepperoni, corned beef, and liver)
all meat, fish and eggs which are not fresh
pickled herring and salted dried fish
meat extracts
yeast extracts/brewer's yeast (Marmite)
sauerkraut
fruits (bananas, avocados, canned figs, raisins, red plums, pine-apple, raspberries)
nuts (peanuts)
broad beans and pods (lima, fava beans, lentils, snow peas, and soy beans)
soyasauce
LSA (morning glory and baby hawaiian woodrose seeds)
MDA related herbs (nutmeg, sweet flag)
chocolate
caffeine (coffee, tea, cola, guarana, energy drinks)
ginseng
St Johns wort
nasal sprays (Vicks Sinex, Prevalin of Otrivin)
other MAO inhibitors.

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: 04281969]
    #8018551 - 02/13/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

04281969 said:
Why do you have MAOI's in there? Are you adding something?

http://www.azarius.net/encyclopedia/18/MAOIs/

List of dangerous combinations
Below is a list of substances, that you should NOT take 12 hours before and 12 hours after taking a MAO-inhibitor.

Very dangerous:

antidepressants containing Selective Serotonine Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's) such as the herb Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum) and pills such as paroxetine (Seroxat), fluoxetine (Prozac), citalopram (Cipramil), fluvoxamine (Fevarin) and sertraline (Zoloft)
sleeping-pills
anaesthetics
migraine medicines
allergy medicines
over the counter cold medicines
cocaine
amphetamines (speed)
MDMA (XTC)
mescaline cacti (peyote and san pedro)
alcohol
ephedra/ephedrine (for example in products such as Ephedra Super caps, Super stacker, Ultra Boost)
pseudoephedrine
macromerine
phentermine.


Can cause headaches or sickness:

cultured dairy products (buttermilk, yogurt, and sour cream)
all aged/mature cheese (exception: cottage cheese, cream cheese)
dry and fermented sausage (bologna, salami, pepperoni, corned beef, and liver)
all meat, fish and eggs which are not fresh
pickled herring and salted dried fish
meat extracts
yeast extracts/brewer's yeast (Marmite)
sauerkraut
fruits (bananas, avocados, canned figs, raisins, red plums, pine-apple, raspberries)
nuts (peanuts)
broad beans and pods (lima, fava beans, lentils, snow peas, and soy beans)
soyasauce
LSA (morning glory and baby hawaiian woodrose seeds)
MDA related herbs (nutmeg, sweet flag)
chocolate
caffeine (coffee, tea, cola, guarana, energy drinks)
ginseng
St Johns wort
nasal sprays (Vicks Sinex, Prevalin of Otrivin)
other MAO inhibitors.



Prolongs the duration/effects of the trip if i am not mistaken. In a rush and dont have time to look up the specifics on this subject, feel free to correct me if i am wrong though.


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8018832 - 02/13/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

lol
LSA (morning glory and baby hawaiian woodrose seeds) rivea
other maoi rue and caapi and passion flower
and p torch done all of those before
and when during the tea comedown i had molly which lasted for 2 days about which was fantastic

and alcohol no issuses

theres limits but if you stay in them everything is fine but its easy to OD if you dont know what your doing, thats why i suggest use of passion flower with cactus
caapi or rue tends to lead to an OD in other people from my self.
i havent had issuses. P torch is a common admixture to my brew and datura


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: thedudenj]
    #8018946 - 02/13/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The 10 hourish trip from the cactus will be plenty for me, ever since I ate 20 grams of mush I dont try to make my trips any longer than they have to be.

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: islander20]
    #8019269 - 02/13/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, after 10-12 hours, I'm pretty well spent myself.
A mushroom will kick it up a notch if you feel you need it.

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8020525 - 02/13/08 11:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Zinglons Acolyte said:
i just assumed wet because selling dried pedro is a kinda dark grey area in the US, cause it would be selling mescaline containing cacti for consumption




shutup N00b
:mad2:
its only illegal IF SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION.

its perfectly legal as incense or base for natural paint, and indigenous crafts.


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8020586 - 02/14/08 12:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was told its an excellent facial exfoliant haha

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: islander20]
    #8020641 - 02/14/08 12:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

its only illegal IF SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION.

its perfectly legal as incense or base for natural paint, and indigenous crafts.





It fuckin' stupid to buy dryed Trichocereus cactus.

Your gonna get it illegalized.

Stop buyin' dried Pedro and grow your own you lazy, S.O.B.



As for Mescaline cacti and MAOIs....I'd say No!

Passiflora and Cactus might be ok...but I'd just do pure cactus.


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Edited by FarFromHere (02/14/08 12:41 AM)

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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: FarFromHere]
    #8020657 - 02/14/08 12:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ok im gona step in and give a legit use for fresh cacus burn oniment and cut onitment can be made from it i healed a really savage wound of a friend with this stuff mixed with some other healing plants so dont joke about it being a healing tool in other ways cause it really is the doctor told her that she wouldnt have it heal normal but i broke that doctors words like a twig


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: FarFromHere]
    #8021509 - 02/14/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

FarFromHere said:
Quote:

its only illegal IF SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION.

its perfectly legal as incense or base for natural paint, and indigenous crafts.





It fuckin' stupid to buy dryed Trichocereus cactus.

Your gonna get it illegalized.

Stop buyin' dried Pedro and grow your own you lazy, S.O.B.





How am i going to get it illegalized? its fucking INCENSE and PAINT BASE. its not stupid because in the end it saves me a shitload of money for not having to pay 45 dollars for a fucking cutting every time i trip( which might be bunk as fuck) and its convenient for accurate dosing.
i do grow my own trichocerus pachanoi and im not going to cut them, after a years worth of growing, and eat them for a trip that probably wont even be that strong. its not worth it, ive grown to love them too much as companions, and i plan on keeping them around. fuck tea anyways. i haven't bought dried cactus in almost a year, because i STILL have some leftover from the last time. you can chop up your whole fucking garden to get a buzz for all i care. i hope you spray shit like a paint spraygun.


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Re: Pedro Tar [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8021559 - 02/14/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

damn man...you seem to have anger issues this morning. chill out, and leave off flaming people. Smoke a bowl of herb and relax, let the smoke purify your thoughts. Now throw a general apology to all that youve sent bad vibes too..and you will feel better.


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