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Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
#8014312 - 02/12/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mon, Feb 11, 2008
Barack Obama won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office: a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915_Che_Guevara_Flags_in_Obamas_Houston_Office&only
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8014342 - 02/12/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Could you imagine if some of McCain's volunteers were found with say, a Confederate Flag, or a Nazi flag hanging in THEIR office!
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8014348 - 02/12/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodynotdead said: Communist mass murderer Che Guevara.
What the fuck?
Fuck Obama for jumping on the teen-hero Che Guevara, though. People know his picture but not his name, so Obama is fucked now because people will think he likes mass murder.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: lonestar2004]
#8014362 - 02/12/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think there is a bit more to Che Guevara's existence than being just a "communist, mass murderer". Isn't he a political icon for certain people? i.e. people who don't like our current governmnet?
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: wickedscepter]
#8014368 - 02/12/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wickedscepter said: I think there is a bit more to Che Guevara's existence than being just a "communist, mass murderer". Isn't he a political icon for certain people? i.e. people who don't like our current governmnet?
That doesn't change the fact that he was responsible for the murder of a great deal of people.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Redstorm]
#8014403 - 02/12/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That doesn't change the fact that he was responsible for the murder of a great deal of people.
So is George Bush. What did Che do to make him famous?
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: wickedscepter]
#8014455 - 02/12/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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He overthrew an immensely corrupt and vicious regime. Unfortunately for his legacy, the ends do not always justify the means.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8014464 - 02/12/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hahahahaha, yeah, Obama himself hung that there to spit in the face of the American people so he can be president and sell us all out to terrorists. Just because someone who works in one of his offices hangs a Che flag, it does not mean that Barack is any less of an excellent presidential candidate. If you think that a Che flag is a good reason not to vote for Obama then you're probably too dumb to be voting anyway
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8014473 - 02/12/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Barack Obama won’t wear an American flag on his lapel
GASP !!
I bet he doesn't sport a ribbon on his vehicle either.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8014481 - 02/12/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodynotdead said: Mon, Feb 11, 2008
Barack Obama won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office: a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara.
It should read:
Obama won't wear an American flag, but someone who is not Obama is hanging a Che Guevara flag on their own wall.
Who cares?
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Redstorm]
#8014569 - 02/12/08 07:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: He overthrew an immensely corrupt and vicious regime. Unfortunately for his legacy, the ends do not always justify the means.
And replaced it with another brutal regime. Yipee. What the Che/Castro choad slurpers here are ignoring is that most of the American electorate doesn't hold them in such high regard and that, though he didn't hang the flag, it still looks very bad to most Americans. Who vote. Given his already far left labeling this was very stupid on the part of his supporters. They couldn't have done more damage if they campaigned against him.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: zappaisgod]
#8015451 - 02/12/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Given his already far left labeling this was very stupid on the part of his supporters. They couldn't have done more damage if they campaigned against him.
Agreed. That was probably not a nice phone call they got from campaign headquarters after that little piece aired on the news.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Disco Cat]
#8015464 - 02/12/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The fact that some of you can vote scares me.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Cubie]
#8015544 - 02/12/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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To which side of what opinion, and for what reasons? Are you saying that an Obama campaign worker having a Che Guevara flag is apt material to dissuade voters from supporting Obama, or are you saying that removing support from Obama because a campaign worker had a Che Guevara flag is ridiculous?
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zappaisgod said: though he didn't hang the flag, it still looks very bad to most Americans. Who vote. Given his already far left labeling this was very stupid on the part of his supporters. They couldn't have done more damage if they campaigned against him.
Thus far, this is literally and metaphorically untrue. The only realm in which this is anything noteworthy is the "ultraconservative" blogosphere, which littlegreenfootballs.com is at the forefront of. No doubt Obama will recoil hard from the loss of their votes.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Disco Cat]
#8015621 - 02/12/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You have to be kidding me. Does anyone really think this is important. Does anyone here actually believe that Obama wants to emulate Che? Give me a break, this will do NOTHING to hurt Obama. More over I haven't even read a single source, even a Fox News article yet, that says his office has a Che flag.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Smackshadow]
#8015626 - 02/12/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Exactly. It's just sentimental right-wing mouth watering.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Smackshadow]
#8015702 - 02/12/08 11:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smackshadow said: You have to be kidding me. Does anyone really think this is important. Does anyone here actually believe that Obama wants to emulate Che? Give me a break, this will do NOTHING to hurt Obama. More over I haven't even read a single source, even a Fox News article yet, that says his office has a Che flag.
Blind partisans enjoy slinging mud to see if it sticks. It is all they have.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: zorbman]
#8015758 - 02/12/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zorbman said: Blind partisans enjoy slinging mud to see if it sticks. It is all they have.
Its politics, my friend. It is nothing new or novel. It is the way things are done.
Two of my favorite political quotes of all time. The first is paraphrased, as is from memory...
Quote:
Lyndon B. Johnson said: I know my opponent, while he is a pig farmer, does not actually have carnal knowledge of said pigs. But lets say he does and make the bastard deny it.
Quote:
The Conneticut Courant said in 1800: If Thomas Jefferson is elected President, murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will all be openly taught and practiced.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8015807 - 02/13/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another Che Guevara argument on the Shroomery?
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: StrandedVoyager]
#8015828 - 02/13/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm waiting until it morphs into a 9-11 Conspiracy thread.
It's only a matter of time.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8015838 - 02/13/08 12:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Obama and Bush tag teamed the twin towers
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Gastronomicus]
#8015846 - 02/13/08 12:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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With the help of Obama's White-Hating Muslim Family!
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8016398 - 02/13/08 06:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The interesting thing about that campaign office -- there is not just the one Che Cuevara Cuba flag, there are two of them. That's right, folks -- two of them.
This isn't just a casual "let's hang this poster on the wall because this guy looks kind of handsome and my teenage daughter wears his t-shirt" kind of deal, this is two (not one, two) flags (not posters or T-shirts, but flags of a Communist regime -- one hung alongside an American flag) considered important enough by one of the staffers to display it proudly alongside the obligatory Obama photo. It's not as if the walls of the office are plastered with stuff -- there's basically just the flags and the Obama photo. It's pretty much like someone stating, "Here's what's important to us -- Obama, Castro's Cuba, and a vicious murdering thug."
Did Obama know his Houston supporters honor a terrorist in his campaign office? I'm sure he didn't. However, it would be a smart move for him to have those flags taken down and renounce any affinity for Che and the Fidel Castro regime. He's already perceived by many as too much to the left for their comfort. This doesn't help.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8016405 - 02/13/08 06:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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never mind
Edited by Arp (02/13/08 07:09 AM)
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8016461 - 02/13/08 07:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did Obama know his Houston supporters honor a terrorist in his campaign office? I'm sure he didn't. However, it would be a smart move for him to have those flags taken down and renounce any affinity for Che and the Fidel Castro regime. He's already perceived by many as too much to the left for their comfort. This doesn't help.
pretty much the bottom line
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Cubie]
#8016603 - 02/13/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> The fact that some of you can vote scares me.
Nah. At least the people on the forums that can vote are smart enough to use a computer and are participating in political discussion. Think about all the people that simply vote for whoever the media tells them to vote for without knowing anything more than he is black, she is (mostly) a woman, he hates "gooks", etc... those are the voters that scare me.
> Does anyone really think this is important.
Apparently so, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it. What would happen if McCain had an Idi Amin poster or two hanging on his walls... people would be throwing a fit.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Seuss]
#8016645 - 02/13/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What would happen if McCain had an Idi Amin poster or two hanging on his walls... people would be throwing a fit.
Or if a McCain campaign office in Virginia had a Confederate flag hanging next to the American flag.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8016658 - 02/13/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I doubt he had anything to do with these particular flags, and they have probably been removed by now.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8016675 - 02/13/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said:
Quote:
Lyndon B. Johnson said: I know my opponent, while he is a pig farmer, does not actually have carnal knowledge of said pigs. But lets say he does and make the bastard deny it.
That's from HST, isn't it? Such insight.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: gluke bastid]
#8016688 - 02/13/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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gluke bastid said:
Quote:
Madtowntripper said:
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Lyndon B. Johnson said: I know my opponent, while he is a pig farmer, does not actually have carnal knowledge of said pigs. But lets say he does and make the bastard deny it.
That's from HST, isn't it? Such insight.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8016706 - 02/13/08 09:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How ironic that this is a campaign volunteer office of a candidate standing for office in a free election, and it's decorated with the flag of a nation that hasn't had a free election in three generations.......
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: lonestar2004]
#8016779 - 02/13/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is a campaign volunteer office of a candidate standing for office in a free election
that's debatable. So is whether Che Guevara was a mass murderer or not.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Arp]
#8016902 - 02/13/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's funny is this was not an official Obama campaign office at the time the photos were taken. Some volunteers had come in advance and put their stuff in there before the official campaign workers arrived from Obama headquarters. I am sure the flag was promptly taken down at that time.
It's good to know the Republican smear machine is warming up.
Anything but focusing on the issues.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: zorbman]
#8016926 - 02/13/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Makes me think of when Ron Paul was accused of accepting donations from people with nazi affiliations. It's all bs for the masses.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Arp]
#8016943 - 02/13/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Down here in Texas many Latinos, esp young activist ones, wear Che T-Shirts and apparently they have a very different opinion about him than some of the posters here do.
As does Time magazine. Who listed him in their Heroes and Icons Section of the 20th Century's Most Influential People!
I guess Time magazine is now communist propaganda! I'll be sure to tell my grandma.
Also, notice the peace flag next to the Old Glory behind the volunteer? Do you really think this woman, answering phones, or Obama himself, is ALL ABOUT communist mass murderers?
Think about it.
This is a non-issue. But poking holes in it sure is fun!
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
#8016971 - 02/13/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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blackegg said:
Also, notice the peace flag next to the Old Glory behind the volunteer? Do you really think this woman, answering phones, or Obama himself, is ALL ABOUT communist mass murderers?
Think about it.
and notice the Peace flag next to the Che Guevara Flag
Think about it.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: lonestar2004]
#8016988 - 02/13/08 10:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Despite the controversies, Guevara's status as a popular icon has continued throughout the world, leading commentators to speak of a global "cult of Che". A photograph of Guevara taken by photographer Alberto Korda[164] has become one of the century's most ubiquitous images, and the portrait, transformed into a monochrome graphic, is reproduced endlessly on a vast array of merchandise, such as T-shirts, posters, cigarettes,[165] coffee mugs, and baseball caps largely for profit. This fact led Argentine business analyst Martin Krauze to postulate that: “The admiration for El Che no longer extends to his politics and ideology. It’s a romantic idea of one man going to battle against the windmills, he’s a Quixote.” While British journalist Sean O’Hagan has described Che as “more Lennon than Lenin”. Taking the opposite hypothesis, Mexican commentator and Che Biographer Jorge Castaneda has proclaimed that: “Che can be found just where he belongs in the niches reserved for cultural icons, for symbols of social uprisings that filter down deep into the soil of society.” [166] The saying "Viva la revolucion!" has also become very popular and synonymous with Guevara.[167][168]"
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
#8017002 - 02/13/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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“I ended the problem with a .32 caliber pistol, in the right side of his brain.... His belongings were now mine.”
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
#8017012 - 02/13/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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As does Time magazine. Who listed him in their Heroes and Icons Section of the 20th Century's Most Influential People!
Adolf Hitler was TIME's person of the year in 1938.
Stalin won it in 1942.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_the_Year
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Arp]
#8017021 - 02/13/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is a campaign volunteer office of a candidate standing for office in a free election
that's debatable. So is whether Che Guevara was a mass murderer or not.
a lot of mofos got shot at La Cabana...some of them were likely part of the Batista regime, but many have called the legal process he oversaw there as practically nonexistant.
you'll find many expatriated cubans don't hold him in very high regard.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: zorbman]
#8017025 - 02/13/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Was he listed as a hero or icon?
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Che Guevara
Sounds like he's right up your alley, Lonestar2004
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: lonestar2004]
#8017039 - 02/13/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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pfs according to a peruvian author who also is a sell-out leftwing who turned neo-con.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
#8017064 - 02/13/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Was he listed as a hero or icon?
The designation is given to the one who "for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year."
They are not claiming the person's influence is a good one just that they are the most influential. Hence Hitler and Stalin made the list.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: bodynotdead]
#8017093 - 02/13/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so obama supports mass murder by having a flag of che in his office? i guess my spanish teacher does too! how dare she subliminally teach everyone of her students to support mass murder by having a che poster on the wall and teaching us about him on top of it all. my god i know realize what a crazy psycho bitch she really must have been for supporting mass murder.
so mccain must = satan because i clearly remember him saying we need to escalate the war in iraq and the war on terror because we are "fighting an enemy that wants to kill each and every one of us". yummy. fear politics, gotta love it.
yeah, lets cut the bullshit. if you vote based on flag choice then you need to stay at home come November. that is unless you think this is some sort of fruedian slip by obama, in which case i guess it is a good thing obama did cocaine since that crazy psychoanalyst thought it was a cure for basically everything.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: SlashOZ]
#8017106 - 02/13/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i guess my spanish teacher does too! how dare she subliminally teach everyone of her students to support mass murder by having a che poster on the wall and teaching us about him on top of it all.
hahha she did? I got to see a video about the life of che guevara when I was taking spanish lessons in buenos aires
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: SlashOZ]
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You guys are slippin'! This is the worst shit you can fling? Seriously?? Some nameless lackey with a questionable flag!? Wow.
I'm done.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Arp]
#8017185 - 02/13/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, it was just an example of how everyone and their uncle has a che poster/shirt/hat/pin and obama supporters are no different. lets not forget our very own government has funded plenty of mass murdering jackass throughout history. saddam hussein comes to mind along with osama bin laden and taliban. my god i wonder who was in office while those things happened? hmmmm could it have been john muthafuckin mccain? yeah it was. j. mccain also thinks vietnam was a "just war. i wonder who the real supporter of mass murder is in this election? it sure isn't obama.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
#8017203 - 02/13/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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blackegg said: Down here in Texas many Latinos, esp young activist ones, wear Che T-Shirts and apparently they have a very different opinion about him than some of the posters here do.
As does Time magazine. Who listed him in their Heroes and Icons Section of the 20th Century's Most Influential People!
Illegals, I'm sure. Probably doesn't get the same response in Miami. I believe Time had Hitler as Man of the Year once too. Do you know what an icon is?
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8017252 - 02/13/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Communist Murderer??
Whoa... that gave me the goose bumps!
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Ginseng1]
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I think he was quite clearly both. And I don't particularly give a fuck about your concern for my nation or my education. Whoever you are and wherever you live you really can't hold a candle to either.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: gluke bastid]
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Lyndon B. Johnson said: I know my opponent, while he is a pig farmer, does not actually have carnal knowledge of said pigs. But lets say he does and make the bastard deny it.
That's from HST, isn't it? Such insight.
HST may have mentioned it, but the quote is quite real.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
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You guys are slippin'! This is the worst shit you can fling? Seriously?? Some nameless lackey with a questionable flag!? Wow.
No one here believes Obama approved of this, or even knew of it. But it does show just what kind of people fall for his line of crap -- those who idolize Commie murderers.
The main thing to note about this is the way the MSM handles it -- dead silence. Even from the supposedly Fascist Fox Network who filmed the scenes with no comment whatsoever. Imagine the reaction if a McCain campaign office had a poster of Pinochet or the flag of Myanmar on his wall. Would that go unremarked? Fuck no. There'd be reporters dogging his heels for a week asking him over and over and over again when he was going to apologize to Chilean Americans, and how soon those campaign workers would be fired.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8017467 - 02/13/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whats wrong with a Pinochet Flag? He saved Chile.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: lonestar2004]
#8017773 - 02/13/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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When Comandante B-Rock rises to power you will all be dealt with very severely!
Trust me comrades, if you were wise you'd remain silent.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
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There'd be reporters dogging his heels for a week asking him over and over and over again when he was going to apologize to Chilean Americans, and how soon those campaign workers would be fired.
The Obama workers were not paid employees- they were volunteers.
MSM is probably not covering it because it is irrelevant. The only people peddling this non-story are right-wing nutjobs.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: zorbman]
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MSM is probably not covering it because it is irrelevant.
Bullshit. MSM is not covering it because it's the Obamessiah. If volunteer workers at McCain's Houston headquarters had put up a Confederate flag and a poster of Pinochet, do you think the MSM would ignore it? Fuck no. Anyone who pretends otherwise is either lying through their teeth or too naive to survive long in this harsh world.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8017933 - 02/13/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Obamessiah" hahahha...that's supposed to be witty, right? hahaha!
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: blackegg]
#8017945 - 02/13/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
#8018064 - 02/13/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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MSM is not covering it because it's the Obamessiah.
Is FOX news covering Flag-gate?
If the flag was displayed at an official Obama campaign office you might have something. That would suggest at least tacit approval. That is simply not the case here and makes all the difference in the world.
This non event is utterly irrelevant and unworthy of coverage by any respectable news outlet. They won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Only partisan propagandists and bloggers are pushing this garbage.
If, as some here have admitted, Obama did not approve of the flag then what are you left with? Claiming that one of Obama's supporters is a nutjob so guilt by association?
You don't think EVERY campaign, democrat and republican, has the normal distribution of nutjobs, racists, alchoholics and every vice under the sun?
Don't kid yourself.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Arp]
#8018866 - 02/13/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is a campaign volunteer office of a candidate standing for office in a free election
that's debatable. So is whether Che Guevara was a mass murderer or not.
The latter is not debatable at all.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: lonestar2004]
#8021014 - 02/14/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think those flags were just symbols of change for those people. They probley don't even know the bad things dude has done.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Cubie]
#8021039 - 02/14/08 03:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> I think those flags were just symbols of change for those people
I honestly doubt that they thought that far ahead or even know what it is they are supporting. If they had the tiniest bit of an idea how controversial the subject is, they wouldn't have risked putting their favorite candidate into the middle of a pointless battle.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Seuss]
#8021078 - 02/14/08 05:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It could have been a clever way of appealing to the Latin populations of Texas. Obama needs to bring them to him, making it so that Clinton doesn't win Texas will end her campaign. Of course, it isn't being carried by the media, so that doesn't really stand itself up. Just some volunteers, there are millions of stupid, stupid people who support all candidates.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: fireworks_god]
#8021089 - 02/14/08 05:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Man its crazy that's there actuley is 'millions' of stupid people casting millions of stupid votes. Couldn't we just let Wolfgang vote once as a like super de duper deligate?
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Bullshit. MSM is not covering it because it's the Obamessiah. If volunteer workers at McCain's Houston headquarters had put up a Confederate flag and a poster of Pinochet, do you think the MSM would ignore it? Fuck no. Anyone who pretends otherwise is either lying through their teeth or too naive to survive long in this harsh world.
Phred
MSM will and does cover anything and everything that makes for a good ratings boosting story. A confederate flag on McCain's wall would probably be covered extensively because people would tune in to argue about it. Sharpton would probably get involved, and Sean Penn or some other celebrity pawn. I think that neo-conservatives who are educated enough to know about Che are outraged, but what percent of the target audience do they make up? A very small one. Che's face is a popular ubiquitous symbol that stands for youthful resistance, regardless of what he stood for as a person. You can resist and try and make people associate his face with mass murder or even communism, but battling semiotics from a political forum in the Shroomery is like trying to swim up a waterfall.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: gluke bastid]
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> MSM will and does cover anything and everything that makes for a good ratings boosting story.
Hardly. MSM is very particular about what they report on some subjects. Not to pick on only MSM, most of the major news carriers push their own agenda. Fox Entertainment News, CNN Entertainment News, NY Times Lefty News, Al Reuters, A left of P, etc... even the BBC, which has long been able resist this temptation, has started down the dark road of biased "journalism".
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: gluke bastid]
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gluke writes:
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Che's face is a popular ubiquitous symbol that stands for youthful resistance, regardless of what he stood for as a person.
And the Cuban flag?
As it happens, the person responsible for hanging the flags certainly knows who Che was and what he did. She flies the same flag from her own balcony. Again, I am positive Obama knew nothing about this. This was an extremely poor judgment call on the part of one Obama supporter. What I find interesting is that none of the others working with her found it the least bit off-putting to hang a Cuban flag next to Obama's photo. Or found it even slightly odd to honor a mass murdering Commie terrorist in a campaign office for the person they hope will become the next commander in chief.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
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I am not disagreeing with anything that you are saying, I just think that as a news story it doesn't carry as much oomph for the average viewer as it does for those of us here. I don't think it would create a big stir if TV news reported it. And I do agree a confederate flag on McCain's wall would.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Phred]
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Again, I am positive Obama knew nothing about this. This was an extremely poor judgment call on the part of one Obama supporter. What I find interesting is that none of the others working with her found it the least bit off-putting to hang a Cuban flag next to Obama's photo.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: zappaisgod]
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Redstorm said: He overthrew an immensely corrupt and vicious regime.
And replaced it with another brutal regime. Yipee.
that was my thought exactly but isnt that the sort of thing our country was founded on
revolution and mass murder go hand in hand
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office [Re: Prisoner#1]
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