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imagining god?
    #8013253 - 02/12/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe most people agree that our perceptions are created mostly (maybe entirely?) by our imagination. what we image the world around us to be, we end up proving to ourselves to be the case.

my friend was telling me today that someone he knew was having a hard time distinguishing illusion from reality. this friend wasn't sure what they were creating from there subconscious (imagining) and what was really the case. he told me that it is hard to see the real person if they are constantly imagining because they will project what they imagine themselves to be outwardly.

somehow we got on to the topic of god - he said that people find god by going through their imagination, and that it is real because it is in the imagination.

i say "you don't mean a concept of god, though?"
he says "no, a concept wouldn't work"
i ask "but how can you see god out there without having a concept of god?"
"that's something everyone has to figure out themselves" he says

can someone tell me what is meant by seeing god in people, or seeing god in all things, beyond mere intellectualizing? is it an attitude, a way of seeing, or just B.S in your opinion? perhaps similar to the idea of Emptiness in Buddhism, or simply "being grounded"

maybe you see god when you stop imagining


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8013325 - 02/12/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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somehow we got on to the topic of god - he said that people find god by going through their imagination, and that it is real because it is in the imagination.




Hmmm, how can this be true?
How does the fact that something exists in the imagination prove that it also exists in the verifiable reality?
Following this logic, if I imagine a little super powerful devil that destroys god forever, it means that god doesn't exist anymore. :lol:

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i say "you don't mean a concept of god, though?"
he says "no, a concept wouldn't work"
i ask "but how can you see god out there without having a concept of god?"
"that's something everyone has to figure out themselves" he says




This only proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about, it doesn't even make any sense to him, so of course that he can't explain it. "Figuring out" = understanding. And when one understands something, one is also able to explain that certain something. It's quite an easy process. :lol:

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can someone tell me what is meant by seeing god in people, or seeing god in all things, beyond mere intellectualizing? is it an attitude, a way of seeing, or just B.S in your opinion? perhaps similar to the idea of Emptiness in Buddhism, or simply "being grounded"




It's BS in my opinion.
Even the emptiness in Buddhism is still a concept, an interpretation. It is filtered through the mind and senses.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8013353 - 02/12/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its a giant tree.
Of which we might be the tips.
And the kids...
Next year's growth.

One massive organism functioning for the purpose of ideas and intelligence.

I believe the source that casts shadows into matter is God or the imagination or pure consciousness. I feel that it is easy to recognize this force acting itself out through life weather its a person or plant you're inspecting.

I wonder if destiny is open ended like a tree or all mathed out like a pyramid.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8013407 - 02/12/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder the same thing!


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Re: imagining god? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8013460 - 02/12/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A pyramid's path to completion is more mathematical than a tree?


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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8013461 - 02/12/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If this is the case cause some crafty ones figured the system then hell...

What are they building?? Sometimes I feel that this is the plan. To force all these fuckers to wake up. Like the most powerful pull and tug in certain areas to click gears into place. Like hands on a watch. Seems as though humans have always been waiting for supper.
Either they get it or they don't, imo.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: Lion]
    #8013476 - 02/12/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No.
But you know...
Its either still growing or has a capstone.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8013490 - 02/12/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow!! Somehow I know exactly what you mean


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8013543 - 02/12/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I just hope the man behind the curtain has eyes to see.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8013956 - 02/12/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's an attitude, which is a way of seeing in and of itself.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #8014125 - 02/12/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I always had this theory that God is some different form of consciousness that we all return to when we die. Like we're all a part of it, or something similar. I imagine god probably wouldn't really look like anything we could perceive normally.

And.. yeah! :crazy2:


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Re: imagining god? [Re: twoism]
    #8014135 - 02/12/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

(sorry for the long winded post!)


That's o.k., but seriously, try to make it a bit more concise next time.  :boring:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8014188 - 02/12/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think the best way to imagine gods power is to simply look at nature. Nature is perfect in what it does, it has created us there for it has more knowledge then us, you cannot create a smarter computer if your not smarter then it. So with that said god is infinite and within infinite there is a larger infinite but how can one infinite be larger then another? Well its hard to imagine but think in numbers. you can have a infinite number of whole numbers right. They go on forever and ever. But within these whole numbers are decimils. Now you have a larger infinite value because you have infinite possible decimals just within the 1 infinite whole number. Get it?


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Re: imagining god? [Re: Vectorman11]
    #8016592 - 02/13/08 08:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Your friend sounds retarded. The concept should be first and foremost. Sounds like he may have been high, lol.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: Vectorman11]
    #8019620 - 02/13/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Whole numbers don't have decimals. I think you are thinking of pi, but pi 3.14....... whatever. But pi has to end somewhere or there wouldn't be a 4. As for the idea of god, I think there is something that makes people search for a higher power. Someone back in the day thought of a great idea to make people follow rules and wrote a great science fiction novel. People were so gullible back then that it spread like wild fire and now you are never going to see the end of it. With all the religions in the world fighting over who's god is the real true god there will be no end to all these mindless wars. You think if there really was a god, or if god was watching over us, that he would let countless billions of human beings and no telling how many plants and animals over the years die over the fight to find out which god is better? I don't, that's why I stopped believing in god years ago.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: shroomrider03]
    #8030308 - 02/16/08 07:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well thanks for responding to this thread

i figured it out. god is the path we create for ourself

for me, it's like god is the light at the end of the tunnel of darkness that i created in my mind

i found god this weekend, all i had to do was stay focused. i think the shroomery has been a big part of this path that i am on, as i know it is a part of everyone who comes here


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8030325 - 02/16/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'i found god this weekend, all i had to do was stay focused.'

:thumbup::heartpump:
I want to hear more.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8030328 - 02/16/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Everything in so called reality is a manifestation of "god" this manifestation aches for balance of true purity "god" (thats best way i can put in words right now) so everything is god, so you can see god in all.

Realise everything you see & feel apart from this "god" is a multidimensional illusional manifestation of "god".

Once you are free of this, you are pure "god" yet you were never apart from "god".

I dont know why i keep saying this, it just cant be put in words, all i can wish you is the experience.(which you seem to already have which is GREAT!!! good on you i wish you many more!!!)

The other night i finally realised the illusion of all that is, im still coming to terms with it.

Im so happy for you that you found god, keep on going along your path and stay balanced so you dont fall off!!!


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Re: imagining god? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8030344 - 02/16/08 07:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't want to get too deeply into it, but basically I have been creating points of stability or order to direct my consciousness, without even "realizing" what I was doing, but I wasn't really doing this at all. Order out of chaos. as you said, it's like a pulling and tugging.

I bought a tabloid magazine in the grocery store because I knew I had to, I didn't have a choice, I read it and everything in it was true, and everything I read in it became fulfilled ten times over that day, and then a hundred times over, and then infinitely. I got a cell phone message from one of my stability points and the message I got was "keep going, soon you will realize without having to realize" ..

anyway, i can't believe in coincidences anymore, i have come to a better understanding of how the mind works, even though it's been on the tip of my tongue for a long time. oh and extacy was involved  :smirk:


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Re: imagining god? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8030347 - 02/16/08 07:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

excstacy :thumbdown:
shrooms:thumbup:

thats only my opinion, im sure lots of people have had valid spiritual experiences on X, but in the hundred or so times i took it i just felt retarded to bliss, not aware of bliss.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8047803 - 02/20/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Heh.... god is in all things... including ourselves... This is a teaching of the mushroom.... and I know its true, as i had a friend in public school, who died, we were very close at the time, but its like he never left, because i constantly see him even to this day in objects and mostly animals.

What im trying to say is, he was a part of god, and he's still around somehow, some kind of energy, not bound to matter. Obviously a spirit of sorts.


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Re: imagining god? [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #8047856 - 02/20/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The ideas and thoughts that comprised who he was still exist, rippling away through your mind and the world he lived in.

Do ripples ever really go away?


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