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Expected Yield?
    #8011716 - 02/12/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So if I use vermiculite and brown rice flower substrate in 10 1/2 pint jars, what could i expect for yield assuming all goes well?

Also, is there a difference in growing magic mushrooms between using brown rice flour and organic brown rice flour?


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Helvales]
    #8011732 - 02/12/08 01:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

about an ounce
enough for you and a couple buddies to trip


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: large_dose]
    #8011737 - 02/12/08 01:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I use the redmill brown rice flour
you can find it at just about any grocery store.


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: large_dose]
    #8011887 - 02/12/08 02:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Murphy's law is for every two lb's of substrate 1oz of mushrooms (after drying) will be produced and I can vouch for it 98% perfect.

Even with a small surface area I never average below a oz and a half dry for the first flush, I'm sure if I wasn't so cheap (or inventive) that I could expand on the surface area and have much better cropping but meh, I make do with what I have at hand.


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: HybridprX]
    #8011952 - 02/12/08 03:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

6 quarts of spawn can yeild you near a half pound of dry mush. Just need to keep it flushing!


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Civ]
    #8011975 - 02/12/08 03:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Been a while since I did PF stuff but I believe 2-5g per cake is roughly average. I believe someone pulled a little over 10g off a cake a long time ago but that was with a single isolated substrain in more than ideal conditions just for the simple point of seeing the limits.


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Smushroom]
    #8012671 - 02/12/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Beside the fact, that the question was asked about a hundred times before and could have easily been found if you used the search function, it's not actually possible to tell what the yield of a PF-cake or any other method is.
I don't want to be pissy, but you have to understand that it's pretty annoying to see the same question be asked OVER AND OVER AGAIN, while they've been answered a ton of times before.
So it's nothing personal, but do yourself a favor and use the search function.
All the questions a "newbie" could have, have been answered already and just have to tipped into the search function! :wink:

back to topic...

Sometimes you get good results and sometimes you don't.
I've had cakes that produced eight "flushes" which was about 20 grams dry, while I had casings that ran out of flushes pretty early and it came out that the yield was about 5 grams dry.

There are SO many different results that no one can actually tell, how big your yield will be! An "average" is always a guess and will probably never be achieved by you or me.
Just try to treat your mushrooms as accurate as possible and be happy about every fruit that shows up. Believe me! That way you'll never be disappointed :wink:

Good luck! :thumbup:


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Fahkface]
    #8012694 - 02/12/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lmfao bullllllllchit .. ive been getting 10 to 12 dry grams off each cake and almost 19 off another and have the cake pics to back it up ! all on the first flushes ! it all depends on the strains ..just mist A LOT and give lots of fae .. cheers ..

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7988599#Post7988599

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8012343#Post8012343


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8012744 - 02/12/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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it all depends on the strains




It doesn't depend on the "strain" at all!
The strain doesn't matter, as long the specific genetics are good.
When your mushroom has kick ass genetics, the strain is completely unintersting!


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Fahkface]
    #8012755 - 02/12/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's no telling, it depends greatly on your technique, environment, substrate, etc..


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Fahkface]
    #8012757 - 02/12/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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it all depends on the strains




It doesn't depend on the "strain" at all!
The strain doesn't matter, as long the specific genetics are good.
When your mushroom has kick ass genetics, the strain is completely unintersting!




strain / substrain < = a strain marked by specific genetics related to it .. i knew wot i meant at least haha


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8012794 - 02/12/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Fahkface said:
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it all depends on the strains




It doesn't depend on the "strain" at all!
The strain doesn't matter, as long the specific genetics are good.
When your mushroom has kick ass genetics, the strain is completely unintersting!




strain / substrain < = a strain marked by specific genetics related to it .. i knew wot i meant at least haha




I think he meant genetics as in genetics from an isolate, rather than "strain" as applied to a large group (B+,PE,etc)?


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8012809 - 02/12/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I know what the actual definition of strain is, but the all around used definition for it is such things as "Golden Teacher", "Ecuador", "Thai- Koh Samui" etc. Therefore you better should have used the word genetics instead of strains!

Except for clones, no one is able to tell wether it's a good "strain" or a fucked up "strain". You can grow an ass load of fruits from a substrate that's colonized with a mushroom that developed nice genetics, while the next time you use the syringe, the yield sucks. Curse of multispore inoculation, which most of the people -especially people who are new to the business- use.

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Sometimes you get good results and sometimes you don't.




As I stated before, you can be lucky OR not.

The only thing you can do about it, is to use an isolate and to create the best surroundings for you mushrooms.

Therefore, it's not "bullllllllchit".

The "fact" that you had good results with your cakes, doesn't mean that's an average! Not at all! It's a lot more likely to get A LOT less!


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Fahkface]
    #8012822 - 02/12/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so a substrain from a particular strain isnt an isolate quality ?


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8012984 - 02/12/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

An isolate is started from agar, while only the best mycelium parts are used to create more mycelium and so on. Strong and rhizomorphic mycelium is more likely to fruit well.

A sub "strain" is developed as soon as two mycelium strings create new genetics. The so developed mushroom is different from the mushroom the print / spores came from and therefore all the strain hysteria is actually useless.
Sure, certain characteristics stay, although sometimes a self cultivated fruit looks TOTALLY different from the mushroom the spores came from.

So as long as you don't work with isolates or clones you can't tell what comes out in the end...


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: Fahkface]
    #8013085 - 02/12/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

a 1/2 pint pf cake will yield 3-7 grams 5 being average.


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: flavoraid]
    #8013125 - 02/12/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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a 1/2 pint pf cake will yield 3-7 grams 5 being average.


that's about what i get. at least 1/8 oz per cake per flush on average.

10 cakes, i would guess 1 oz dry for your first flush


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: enesi]
    #8013142 - 02/12/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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a 1/2 pint pf cake will yield 3-7 grams 5 being average.


that's about what i get. at least 1/8 oz per cake per flush on average.

10 cakes, i would guess 1 oz dry for your first flush




man i better learn a cloning tek quick then cos im pulling double the max there


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8013162 - 02/12/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You won't come far with cakes. If it's really the pure amount your after, do bulk techniques!


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Re: Expected Yield? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8013164 - 02/12/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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enesi said:
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a 1/2 pint pf cake will yield 3-7 grams 5 being average.


that's about what i get. at least 1/8 oz per cake per flush on average.

10 cakes, i would guess 1 oz dry for your first flush




man i better learn a cloning tek quick then cos im pulling double the max there



that's great for you dude. every single cake you've ever done has been that way? even when you were a noob like the OP here? Highly doubt it.

i would say on AVERAGE, that 3-7 grams is a fine expected yield of your normal spore syringed half pint cake. there are those that get large yields, and those that get ZERO. get over yourself, you're not special


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