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Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question..
    #8011250 - 02/11/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I remember Paul Stamets putting oyster mycelium in gasoline/fuel infested soil and the oysters grew HUMUNGUS, what about for cubes, Mycelium is the one sucking up all the shit .... I've already got a patch of soil i'm gonna test it on. Heres his speach


1 of 4 projects that paul stamets were in was in Belinghum, Washington. Contamination of soils from diesel spills and from trucks and buses stored for over 50 years. The Department of Ecology was finding that leving fines against the department of transportation because they had toxic waste signs. This side is lifeless, it is full of toxins. Um.. plants will not grow there. Theres no worms, and so The bitell (don't know if I spelled that correctly or not) labratories who Paul Stamets have been working with in the previous 3 years, we went up there and we inoculated the soil with mushroom mycelium. There was 3 other piles. One was a control, One was treated with bacteria and one was treated with chemicals. 4 weeks later they came back and discovered to come see if there has been any change. REMEMBER! This is stinky, hydro carbon, oil, gasoline saturated soil. 20 parts per million of these hydro carbons. The mycelium absorbs the oil like a sponge and then as the oil is absorbed the mycelium produced these extra cellular metabolites sweat. There these huge capilaries for water, mycelium can move water over great distances and as it exooes it all your extra cellular enzymes that break hydrogen carbon bonds which is the basis of hydrocarbons. So we came back in weeks 4 and 5, First tarp was pulled back controled pile; stinky, dead, nutrel, nothing alive, stunk like oil. The second pile with bacteria, same thing. Third pile with chemical treatment, same story. THEN we came to our pile which was inoculated with oyster mycelium. IT WAS COVERED WITH HUNDREDS OF LBS OF OYSTER MUSHROOMS. SOME OF THESE OYSTER MUSHROOMS MEASURED 12-16 INCHES IN DIAMETER. ANY OF YOU WHO KNOW OYSTER MUSHROOMS, THESE ARE VERY HAPPY OYSTER MUSHROOMS. SO the soil was annalyzed subequently and 20 parts by million of these hydrocarbons were reduced to less then 200 in less then 2 weeks. The mushrooms sporulated and they attracted insects and insects layed eggs and then plant communities returned. Birds starting to return feeding on the developing larvae of the insects. These mushrooms are healers, there environmental healers. They come into these ecostystems and condition it for other lifeforms. So the fungi/mushrooms rotted, bacteria took over, so bacteria mediation occoured, plants came in, flimodiation occured. So these are key organisms that can lead into habitat resoration!


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8011522 - 02/12/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

sounds pretty cool. i envision threads about what octane rating to use for your substrates lol


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: dudemanstan]
    #8011616 - 02/12/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Try some kind of veggie oil, that way you know there is nothing weird in there. There is a lot more calories in oil than other substrates, if the mushroom in question can use it then it would be a very good substrate addition.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8012891 - 02/12/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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dumbfounded1600 said:
I remember Paul Stamets putting oyster mycelium in gasoline/fuel infested soil and the oysters grew HUMUNGUS,





I have heard stamets talk about this. You have to remember that he is biased to his projects and that he exagerates a lot.

He also said that he wore a shirt to a fungus fair that he had worn a few days pryier up in the pnw while picking cyanofibs.
They are now finding cyanofibs at teh place that he wore the shirt a few years prior. He takes credit for the introduction of the species.
Little does he know that we had been finding the species for 10 years in the area and that the species that we are finding is not a cyanofib although it looks like one macroscopicly.

Basiclly, he is full of shit


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: tahoe]
    #8012910 - 02/12/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have heard stamets talk about this. You have to remember that he is biased to his projects and that he exagerates a lot.

He takes credit for the introduction of the species.

Basiclly, he is full of shit




in a nutshell


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: tahoe]
    #8013028 - 02/12/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its no bullshit.

I watched the documentary- its posted on here. Those oysters, pretty nuts no bullshit. Its nothing HE did to the oysters- they are built to do that anyways.

The process pulls apart those CBMs/CPMs -can't recall atm the exact term, those chemicals that are made up of really sticky carbon atoms- it pulls them up into the colony and breaks those chains. Releasing them back into the world on their on.

Its proven- he has a goldmine at his finger tips- IMO he is just working on how to market that shit to the world without getting bushwacked by the next guy that does it.

I mean, anyone can watch the videos- and there were/are MANY teams involved to do what he did- not just with mush either.

Maybe its me being kinda biased, but I really dig staments- he has that ps.cyanfibrillosa/ps.rhododendronensis protectiveness it seems... but he has done so freaking much... along with others. Azures, Stuntzii, liniformans also-

When he started there was almost nothing on the genus. Back then, all the information on the genus was either copied wrong data just being re-copied, or totally false mis-information due to the relationship and rising popularity of getting high on the indoles of the genus... And thats if you could find any information...

Though, I belive Wasson is the most important player in getting the word out (of all the first gen ethnomycolgists anyways). He had an artical in time, may 1957- it was accurate, illustrated and introduced pre-sixties americans to the psilocybes of mexico... as the last people that still practiced the pre-spanish mushroom rites were almost all off the face of the earth.

Thousands and thousands of people would mob down to mexico to find them, a whole generation...


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: zyxwvutsr]
    #8013031 - 02/12/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree to a point, but is books are informational and his speaches are good to grow from.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: zyxwvutsr]
    #8013040 - 02/12/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

But he also gives credit to all he can that were responisble for having humans gain interest in an area and move the mushrooms from that area, spreading spores.

T I think you and he would be good friends!, play Wii and shit.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: Civ]
    #8013331 - 02/12/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i know it works but I meant to lean towards the exaggeration side of stamets.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: tahoe]
    #8013689 - 02/12/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

capitalizormisterfungusmanstamets.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: hazey]
    #8013955 - 02/12/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Stamets - He's no god, People look up to him too much....hell if I was a noob I would too.

Anyways, You guys think its possible? Oil, Gasoline enriched soil with cube or oyster spawn in order to bring it back to life? Like spray the compost down with gasoline and fuel and compost it for a year or 2 .... might take longer...dunno the stipulations on that...but...anyone think it can happened


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8014609 - 02/12/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

only way to find out - try it. just dont blow yourself up :thumbup:


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: tahoe]
    #8014884 - 02/12/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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tahoe said:
i know it works but I meant to lean towards the exaggeration side of stamets.





simply put, if it works, it works
who cares about his persona


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8014936 - 02/12/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It may clean petrochemicals from the soil but I know I wouldn't eat that food before a VERY careful analysis of its toxicity was done.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: cbiegel]
    #8014943 - 02/12/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not possible as mushrooms don't suck up shit like 'cannabis' does


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8014964 - 02/12/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

im interested to see if this works...but couldnt there be harmful chemicals in it if it was enriched with deisel fuel?


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8014977 - 02/12/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Not possible as mushrooms don't suck up shit like 'cannabis' does




Than where does it go? I understand that mushrooms aren't plants but again, where do the carcinogens go?


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: cbiegel]
    #8015255 - 02/12/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure I'm sure RR can answer that.


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8015284 - 02/12/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

More like repair and service 100s of buses for decades and never clean it up. Like a generations worth of waste...


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Re: Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Question.. [Re: Civ]
    #8015318 - 02/12/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so if I just keep dumping oiland shit like that in the soil let it saturate for a year keep composting it..drop some oyster mycelium in...it could possibly turn out good.


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