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Mankey


Registered: 07/30/05
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Morning Glory Not Working.
#8010611 - 02/11/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, my buddy did a cold water lsa extraction using Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds. He washed about 300 in cold water and a bit of dishsoap then ground them up with a mortar and pestel. He then put the ground up seeds into tea bags and let them sit in cold water in the fridge for about half an hour. He says nothing is really happening. Did he do something wrong or what?
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hippi flip
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Re: Morning Glory Not Working. [Re: Mankey]
#8010684 - 02/11/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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eh your problem might be that if your using cold water it wont extract as good if your using say luke warm water or even warmer water it should extract fine though at least that how i did mine
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CidneyIndole
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Re: Morning Glory Not Working. [Re: hippi flip]
#8011760 - 02/12/08 01:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
hippi flip said: eh your problem might be that if your using cold water it wont extract as good if your using say luke warm water or even warmer water it should extract fine though at least that how i did mine
This is wrong.
Cold water is the traditional method used. I have never seen a cold-water extract that was inactive. The actives in the seeds are nicely soluble in cold water.
To the Original Poster:
The first three suspects I would look at here (in order of how likely they are):
1- The extract was not allowed to sit long enough. 1/2 hour isn't very long for an extraction. If your friend didn't grind the seeds well enough, it could possibly take even longer to extract.
2- The dose may not have been enough for him. According to the stats at erowid, 300 seeds should be approximately 9 grams. You have to consider, that even a more thorough extraction will not be perfect. An extract from 9 grams is not the same as eating 9 grams, unless the extract is perfect, which it will never be. With that 1/2 hour extraction time, it may have been very inefficient, and he may have just taken a very small dose.
3- Your friend did something to destroy some of the alkaloids, weakening the extract. Was tap water used? Were the seeds or the extract exposed to a lot of heat? Was the extract left to sit in the light for any length of time?
I would say that some combination of 1 and 2 are likely the problem here. But if your friend used tap water (chlorinated) then that could have made it much worse.
Or maybe it's none of the above, and your friend is tripping right now.
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Entropymancer


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Re: Morning Glory Not Working. [Re: CidneyIndole]
#8011809 - 02/12/08 01:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You hit most of the major points.
The only other point I can think of is that putting the seeds in a teabag and steeping for a half hour could very easily be insufficient to extract the alkaloids. Tea bags drastically slow the rate at which soluble components disolve into the water... certainly some alkaloids would get dissolved, but not necessarily a good portion.
If tap water was used, that was probably the biggest issue.
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Mankey


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Re: Morning Glory Not Working. [Re: Entropymancer]
#8012558 - 02/12/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No tap water was used. It was bottled distilled water.
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Entropymancer


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Re: Morning Glory Not Working. [Re: Mankey]
#8012646 - 02/12/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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In that case, I imagine it was a combination of the crushing technique and extracting technique...
Like I said, a teabag limits the ability of the solutes to go into solution.
Also, when you crush the seeds with a mortar and pestle, they don't get very powdery in my experience. And the less surface area, the slower they extract.
My advice would be to use a coffee grinder next time, so the seeds get plenty powdered. Then mix the seed powder and water and let stand for ~ an hour, shaking periodically. Then filter out the seed much and see how it goes.
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Mankey


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Re: Morning Glory Not Working. [Re: Entropymancer]
#8013175 - 02/12/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Actually used the lipton tea bags (those nice pyramid ones) but I'll definitely try using that technique next time. The mortar and pestle ground the seeds up plenty fine. I think the reason he didn't feel anything is b/c hes the most impatient person I've ever met. W/e though. I jacked a bunch of his seeds so I can grow some myself.
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