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ofzeroconcern
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Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss?
#8010073 - 02/11/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I have read teks and yes I have used the search option and searched around, but even after that, things still remain fuzzy to me. So many varying/contradicting opinions. Let's try to put this to rest, shall we?
Which drying method has ZERO loss of potency? Or at least, which one has the least loss of potency?
I've heard anywhere between 8 - 48 hours for dehydrators. And also heard fan drying takes 48+ hours. Would it be the same for a dehydrator with no heating element?
Has anyone tried different types of drying and compared them? What were your findings?
Some people say dehydrators on low heat, 90F, are fine, some disagree and remove the heating element, just using the dehydrator's fan do the work. Is that really necessary?
Is there differences between potency loss with dehydrating on 90 vs. desiccant vs. fanning?
Also, any opinions or pros/cons for cutting mushrooms in half before drying? Or even dicing them up into smaller bits?
Anything else you guys want to add is fine, hopefully people will read THIS thread just once rather than searching through a sea of confusing threads.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#8010103 - 02/11/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dehydrator is the best way to go. its the fastest and most efficent. as long as you get one that you can set to around 95 degrees. then there is no need to remove the heating element.
if you keep the dehydrator temp down, that fanning and desicant chambers all have ZERO loss of potency.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: ofzeroconcern] 2
#8010156 - 02/11/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which drying method has ZERO loss of potency? Or at least, which one has the least loss of potency?
The problem with this question is that unless you specifically measure the actual amount of actives in the mushroom, any determination of potency will be entirely anecdotal, and not based in fact.
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I've heard between 12 - 48 hours for dehydrators. And also heard fan drying takes 48+ hours. Would it be the same for a dehydrator with no heating element?
I have my own apartment, and I am therefore able to point the fan at trays full of mushrooms for days on end. Typically, yes, 48 hours is enough. However, larger mushrooms can take longer.
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Some people say dehydrators on low heat, 90F, are fine, some disagree and remove the heating element, just using the dehydrator's fan do the work. Is that really necessary?
Why not just use a fan if you remove the heating element? Same thing, no?
Some people, as we may see, cook their fresh mushrooms on pizzas in a 350 degree oven, and swear to zero potency loss. Like I said above, the nature of dosing, along with all the variables that go along with that are going to change every trip in so many different ways that every trip will be relative. That is why you see so many different opinions in the search. Soon someone will chime in and talk about breakdown of actives at 159.987 degrees or whatever, and then someone else will call bullshit. And on we go.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: thedefone]
#8010398 - 02/11/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well i am no expert, actually im a newb but what i plan on doing is put in a dehydrator on 95f for a while even till possibly cracker dry...then put in with some damp rid for a rew days to pull out any possible moisture left in the shroom...i plan on saving up to a year
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blood4blood
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: woefuljungle]
#8010427 - 02/11/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you have a dehydrator there is no need for damp rid
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: blood4blood]
#8010489 - 02/11/08 07:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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not even to be EXTRA sure ...its not even needed one bit
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: woefuljungle]
#8010664 - 02/11/08 08:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, I've also heard that once dried, storing them in a wooden box is better than plastic because of how wood absorbs moisture, or something like that.
I wonder what RR would say about that wood storage thing, as I've never read anything about it after searching on these forums.
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blood4blood
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#8010680 - 02/11/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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once they're dry their dry. put them in ziplocks and put in the freezer
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: blood4blood]
#8010947 - 02/11/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: thedefone]
#8068239 - 02/25/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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I had an idea that removing the heating element might work so I did just.
I don't know if its going to work but I'll let you know.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: bigred]
#8068604 - 02/25/08 01:35 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Once they are dry, (however you want to dry them), then throw them in a ziplock with a packet of silica gel or other desiccant (damprid in a tea bag works just as well).
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: bigred]
#8068747 - 02/25/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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bigred said: I had an idea that removing the heating element might work so I did just.
I don't know if its going to work but I'll let you know.
i'm assuming you closed the circuit by reconnecting the cut wires? should work perfectly.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Yrat]
#8068963 - 02/25/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yes Sir
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: bigred]
#8069026 - 02/25/08 04:01 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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bigred said: ...so I did just.
That was awesome!
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Terillius]
#8069352 - 02/25/08 05:25 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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I live in a very dry state so even though I use desiccant (and I don't think I lose anything for it) I doubt I need to. Drying mushrooms is really not that hard and should not require any fancy equipment.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Cabinet_Sanchez]
#8069413 - 02/25/08 05:39 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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The major source of potentcy loss is not heat, it is air. Heat only serves to hasten the effect of oxidation, unless of course were talking about extreme heat, in which the chemical breaks down, but those levels arent a factor with common drying methods.
Seeing as this is the case, whats better, leaving them to dry for an extended period in a desiccant chamber in which the amount of oxygen is limited, or blowing vast quantities of [hot] air over them within a realitvely small timeframe?
In some instances a desiccant chamber isnt enough and the shrooms will become moldy and rot before they can dry, so there isnt any other way than to oxidize the hell out of them.
Either way both suck and ive made powerful shrooms become mildly euphoric crackers using these conventional methods.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#8785905 - 08/17/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have always used Potassium Chloride (Ice Melter). Makes them cracker dry in no time.
Edit: Now that I think about it. It's Calcium Chloride.
Edited by Bevis (08/17/08 11:42 AM)
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Bevis]
#8785912 - 08/17/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I"ve said it before i'll say it again, food dehydrators with heating elements cause no noticable potency loss.
If you have a food dehydrator, use it, with the heat.
End of story!!!
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: beengonetoolong]
#8785992 - 08/17/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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my grandma used a food deydrater for the first time a couple days ago. Took about 8 hours for them to dry. Also she took a temp reading of the dehydrater, temps reached 120+. Anyway, she triped balls off of 1.5 grams. she will continue to use it.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: cosmictaco]
#8786016 - 08/17/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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cosmictaco said: my grandma used a food deydrater for the first time a couple days ago. Took about 8 hours for them to dry. Also she took a temp reading of the dehydrater, temps reached 120+. Anyway, she triped balls off of 1.5 grams. she will continue to use it.
Whaaaaaaa?
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: smokdatkush]
#8786041 - 08/17/08 10:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i took a box fan. mounted it to a five gallon bucket lid. cut slits or holes around bottom of the bucket (not the actual bottom but the side/bottom) i epoxyed some little nobs inside the bucket to rest wire screen on as shelves. and there we go. a pretty good size fanning chamber. i then also put them in a bucket half full of silica gel with a screen above that to further dry them. and to store them i put in a jar with a silica gel bag in it. i have mushies from 1999 that are still good. real good. hope that helps peace.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: smokdatkush]
#8786092 - 08/17/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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smokdatkush said:
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cosmictaco said: my grandma used a food deydrater for the first time a couple days ago. Took about 8 hours for them to dry. Also she took a temp reading of the dehydrater, temps reached 120+. Anyway, she triped balls off of 1.5 grams. she will continue to use it.
Whaaaaaaa?
Trippy Granny
I know dude, she is nuts. I am always trying to get her to settle down but she continues to ride her harley around town and cause trouble. We call her Hootin' Holly!!
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: cosmictaco]
#8786106 - 08/17/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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cosmictaco said:
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smokdatkush said:
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cosmictaco said: my grandma used a food deydrater for the first time a couple days ago. Took about 8 hours for them to dry. Also she took a temp reading of the dehydrater, temps reached 120+. Anyway, she triped balls off of 1.5 grams. she will continue to use it.
Whaaaaaaa?
Trippy Granny
I know dude, she is nuts. I am always trying to get her to settle down but she continues to ride her harley around town and cause trouble. We call her Hootin' Holly!!
Dude that would be crazy tripping with my grandmother.
but hell man thats dope.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: smokdatkush]
#8786763 - 08/17/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Freezer Drying : How to dry from fresh in a frost free freezer. Bigger specimen remains. No tanning on verities prone to do so with heat.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1264202/an/0/page/3
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: smokdatkush]
#8786960 - 08/17/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just dried my 120g pick with a nestle food dehydrator set on about 125 degrees and pluged in for 2 hours.
Them baby's were drier then saltines and sent me on a wild wide!
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: ar393]
#15831861 - 02/19/12 11:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a dehydrator that I simply installed a jumper to bypass the heating coils. Apparently these were a critical part of the circuit and I promptly destroyed the fan motor in a loud pop. Fortunately, I had a spare fan that even has neat blue LEDs. It is now working just fine.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Mr152]
#15831917 - 02/19/12 12:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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what i like to do is out them under the air vent in my room they are normally dry in about two days. I just tape a piece of paper so it is hanging under the vent and put them on it.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Mr152]
#15831924 - 02/19/12 12:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've dried other things in an electric oven set to the lowest temp it could get to (40-50c 100-120f) and leaving them overnight
yet I've heard of no one doing this here
whats the verdict on this?
does anyone know the activation energy of degredation of psilocybin? using the arrenhius equation we could easily work out the rate of degredation at different temperatures, and given an acceptable loss (say 5 or 10%) give an upper limit for drying times at temps....
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: VCbCaEfG6yalzqLiQI] 1
#15832124 - 02/19/12 12:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seriously guys, we were just over this, don't even use the search option just go back like 1 or 2 pages from the main page and you'll see drying threads.
YOU ALWAYS FUCKING SEE DRYING THREADS!!!
So for those of you who will listen. I dry at 140-150F in my DEHYDRATOR which DEHYDRATES by using a HEATER.
If you have a dehydrator you broke the heating element to, congratulations, you bought a $70 fan. Did you know fans are commonly as cheap as $10? And are even more powerful than a dehydrator fan?
DON'T DISABLE THE HEATING ELEMENT ON AN EXPENSIVE DEHYDRATOR MORONS
Do I get loss of potency? No. Do I even get bluing? No. Are people going to listen to me and dry below 160F with their dehydrators like everyone does, and has done for awhile now? No. Are those people idiots who ask for help but won't listen to it? Yes.
TL;DR DEHYDRATORS WORK FINE
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Viruk]
#15832196 - 02/19/12 01:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always use a lot of big boxes those with clamps on to hold the lid on tight, each big box filled with a lot of calcium chloride on the bottom. Way above the calcium chloride I have chicken wire cut to a perfect fit pushed down tight so I can hold a bit of weight.
And I lay down the mushrooms on the chicken wire spaced out so they don't touch each other, the only problem I have is that this is not a space efficient way to do it. So I can only dry about 500-600 grams per box so I have to have a lot of boxes for drying a couple of kilo's from one flush.
- No air - No heat
Cracker dry mushrooms in 7 day(s), and max potency in my opinion. For example my cubensis cuba was 5.6% dry weight compared to fresh.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: CoolTJ]
#15832214 - 02/19/12 01:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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CoolTJ said: I always use a lot of big boxes those with clamps on to hold the lid on tight, each big box filled with a lot of calcium chloride on the bottom. Way above the calcium chloride I have chicken wire cut to a perfect fit pushed down tight so I can hold a bit of weight.
And I lay down the mushrooms on the chicken wire spaced out so they don't touch each other, the only problem I have is that this is not a space efficient way to do it. So I can only dry about 500-600 grams per box so I have to have a lot of boxes for drying a couple of kilo's from one flush.
- No air - No heat
Cracker dry mushrooms in 7 day(s), and max potency in my opinion. For example my cubensis cuba was 5.6% dry weight compared to fresh.
Yes but mine are cracker dry in 12 hours tops. Dessicants are a waste of time, good only for long term storage. Also wooden boxes will let in moisture, allowing your mushrooms to rot, after dehydrating you have to seal them air tight.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Viruk]
#15832233 - 02/19/12 01:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I only use plastic boxes, and why do you want em to be dry in 12 hours? I've never in that hurry to eat my mushrooms, and I seal em up in boxes afterwards putting em in my freezer for long time storage.
I really do not see you point.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: CoolTJ] 1
#15832483 - 02/19/12 02:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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CoolTJ said: I only use plastic boxes, and why do you want em to be dry in 12 hours? I've never in that hurry to eat my mushrooms, and I seal em up in boxes afterwards putting em in my freezer for long time storage.
I really do not see you point.
My point is mine are dried and away in 12 hours, yours take longer, and time is money.
Wheres your point in taking a week to dry them? Huh? Do I want mushrooms lying around everywhere for a week? What about the next flush, where the fuck do I put that now that I take 14x longer to dry them than my previous method.
Basically your 600g you can dry at a time, I can dry 8400g in that time, probably more because they don't usually take more than 8 hours. Which would put me at 21x more drying capacity than you, or 12 600g.
So why again should I wait around a week to dry 12000g less?
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Viruk]
#15832530 - 02/19/12 02:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've used a fan, a space heater (the same technique as a fan), and a food dehydrator with only one temperature. Absolutely NO difference in potency, at all. The only difference is that with a fan and a heater it took 4x as long. Mine are also dry as a bone within 12 hours. Any sort of drying in open air stinks up the house like shrooms, not so with the dehydrator.
I've only used dessicants for storage (and I even do it then only 1 outta 4 times, probably). I didn't know what dry was until I dried using the dehydrator.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: Galaxie500]
#15834261 - 02/19/12 07:57 PM (12 years, 30 days ago) |
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Galaxie500 said: I've used a fan, a space heater (the same technique as a fan), and a food dehydrator with only one temperature. Absolutely NO difference in potency, at all. The only difference is that with a fan and a heater it took 4x as long. Mine are also dry as a bone within 12 hours. Any sort of drying in open air stinks up the house like shrooms, not so with the dehydrator.
I've only used dessicants for storage (and I even do it then only 1 outta 4 times, probably). I didn't know what dry was until I dried using the dehydrator.
Exactly. Summed up perfectly.
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Re: Ultimate Drying Thread - fan, desiccant, dehydrators, drying speed, potency loss? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#16845847 - 09/14/12 10:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi guys. First post, just thought I'd contribute what I do.
So, fwiw, I put a room dehumidifier in a very small closet, with the mushrooms on top of a raised grate. I place a small filtered fan directly in front of them, raised slightly, and turn it on blast.
Fan keeps the water wicking out of the mushrooms, and the small room dehumidifier nabs it out of the air.
If I'm adamant about removing water from the dehumidifier, I can dry several pounds wet in 3-4 days.
The hygrometer in that room reads anywhere from nil to 10% humidity. Once they're cracker dry, keeping em in that room keeps them good for a long time. Can't specify how long, but long enough to eat them all or throw them off a bridge or whatever it is people do with them.
cheers
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