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OrgoneConclusion
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Let me rephrase
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Note: As Middleman saw fit to come to the aid of Ginseng I will paraphrase my earlier locked thread.
Why are disbelievers seen as more powerful than believers when it comes to paranormal displays? Doesn't seem like a very strong belief if a feather touch knocks it from its lofty perch.
Believers say they hold a superior position, then whine about how S-Rays always stop them cold.
Any rational person care to explain?
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deranger


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all this power, superiority stuff, seems somewhat egotistical. it is the "gotta prove this, gotta prove that", "them wrong, i right" mentality that makes me laugh the most.
live life, why whine about the way others think?
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Humble lurker
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Believers?
Disbelievers?
I'm a don't knower. Lol.
I don't understand what you mean about superiority. 
Why be consumed with being correct?
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Humble lurker said:I'm a don't knower. Lol
are you Socrates?
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LunarEclipse
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Any rational person care to explain?
Nope, I'm not rational and I could care less.
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deranger


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r u normal?
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AlteredAgain
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believers, disbelievers, superior, inferior?
i don't see the black and white you speak of.

have a flower.
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Hippy!
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Re: Let me rephrase [Re: Lion]
#8010181 - 02/11/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Let me rephrase [Re: Lion]
#8010189 - 02/11/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Crankey secretly smells flowers when no one's looking.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Let me rephrase [Re: deranger]
#8010452 - 02/11/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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it is the "gotta prove this, gotta prove that", "them wrong, i right" mentality that makes me laugh the most.
Many competing theories over the centuries brought you and I the computer and the internet of today.
Hypotheses and unusual claims NEED to be tested for knowledge to advance.
This happens regularly on the cultivation forums, does it not? Two or more methods competing to see which gives superior results? That is the scientific method and why, as cultivators, we are so much further along. My friends and I tried growing fungi decades ago and failed miserably.
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Humble lurker
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With cultivation its fairly straight forward. The method is either better for some reason or not.
Paranormal claims have been argued since man could argue and in many cases no definative conclusion can or should be reached.
The unknown is best left as unknown.
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The unknown is best left as unknown.
Why do you say that? I like knowing that the Sun will rise whether or not I pray for it.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Note: As Middleman saw fit to come to the aid of Ginseng I will paraphrase my earlier locked thread.
Why are disbelievers seen as more powerful than believers when it comes to paranormal displays? Doesn't seem like a very strong belief if a feather touch knocks it from its lofty perch.
Believers say they hold a superior position, then whine about how S-Rays always stop them cold.
Any rational person care to explain?
Yes, it seems to me that you are attempting to personalize the discussion with your first comment, specifically referring to the action of a moderator, which is a personalism in general and this forum is not intended to be used to discuss issues with moderators. I'd say that, to start off with, you're simply seeking to wage a personality exchange than the discussing of any philosophical or spiritual ideas.
This is then further evidenced by the rest of your post, which simply calls out agansit some collectivist strawman. It also seems apparent that presenting the Note was to create an association between named individuals and the strawman identity you present.
Boring, useless topic for discussion, in my opinion. Best probably for OTD, should think.
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Humble lurker
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WhiskeyClone said:
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The unknown is best left as unknown.
Why do you say that? I like knowing that the Sun will rise whether or not I pray for it.
The sun rising isn't unknown.
By unknown I mean things, like God, that a are matter of opinion. Things that are not likely to be proved conclusively either way.
You can have an opinion but to argue relentlessly about something unsolvable is pointless.
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ouch! 
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (02/12/08 09:49 AM)
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WhiskeyClone
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The sun rising isn't unknown.
The reasons for its apparent behavior were not always known, and it was the inquisitive nature of people that ultimately shed some light on why it does what it does. It's just one example though.
My point was that obviously we have benefited from seeking explanations for the unknown.
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You can have an opinion but to argue relentlessly about something unsolvable is pointless.
Agreed, but not everything is unsolvable.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Well SBMD or ex-mod, I used a personalism against me
(Ginseng: "You are a clue as to why we keep failing the (paranormal) test. Until people like you stop waltzing around in the delusioned reality where everything is hollow and linear, we won't ever break free from our shackles against the imagination and devine(sic) power.") in my ORIGINAL LOCKED THREAD as a launching point for a VALID discussion:
Can skeptics stop mystics from performing their favorite reality-bending tricks?
But like the lousy Jeopardy contestant, I did not phrase it in the form of a question and got the buzzer. Of course zillions of other threads also do not do so. (*cough bias cough*)
Yes, I phrased it in my own inimitable style and not yours. *gasp*
So it was locked by a mod with a kinship to Ginseng and a history of prejudice against me and with no other place to discuss (as I had PREVIOUSLY HAD TOTALLY VALID POSTS SHUT DOWN and when I tried to discuss them where it was designed to be discussed HAD THOSE THREADS LOCKED AS WELL.)
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Boring, useless topic for discussion, in my opinion.
Then no need to reply, is there?
If you REALLY cared about this forum and were not staging this for personal reasons, you would desist cluttering every other thread with non-philosophical flirtations, but consistency is rare among those who judge.
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Oh, there is a need to reply, if it will bring that subsequent response.
Its simple, there is a fair and balanced administration that will handle serious complaints regarding moderation if it is done in a respectful manner. I see no reason to perpetuate some kind of personalism game out of it, most reasonably as the forum's purpose and intention does not allow for it, for simple, effective reasons.
This is Philosophy and Spirituality (I like Philosophy, Spirituality, and Psychology better ), not Jerry Springer.
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deranger


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fireworks_god said: not Jerry Springer.
it IS quite humorous though.
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Re: Let me rephrase [Re: deranger]
#8012799 - 02/12/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It gets tiring after sooooo many re-runs.
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deranger


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you have a point there.
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Humble lurker
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Re: Let me rephrase [Re: deranger]
#8016341 - 02/13/08 04:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushbaby
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I like that everything can't be proved.
If there were no mysteries in life to explore life would be dull indeed.
Just keep in mind that many pioneers had to proceed with their exploring while facing ridicule and/or blatant disbelief. Part of their journey was to rise above this and proceed anyway. Sometimes the tough exterior they had to acquire aided them further down the road.
Also there's really nothing wrong with showing someone the weak points in their argument. Helps them to focus on it.
OMG! Did I just side with OC?
Gotta check my horoscope, something weird is going on!
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