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InvisibleChronic7

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Interconnectedness & String Theory?
    #8009321 - 02/11/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Could someone elaborate on this?

There only place ive heard of the string theory was in Stephen Hawkings Universe In A Nutshell, i read the whole book in 45 minutes so didnt exactly take it all in.

However ive heard that the storng theory relates to interconnectedness well?

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009335 - 02/11/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The Elegant Universe is on youtube, I'm sure.

It's a very awesome series on String Theory.
&q=the+elegant+universe&total=139&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #8009352 - 02/11/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You poor americans, theres like 20 adverts before it even starts!!!

Thanks for the link...


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009358 - 02/11/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well basically they theorized what could be the most reducible/fundamental "building block" of energy.

you know how we first discovered cells, then molecules, then atoms, then protons, then quarks/positrons.... well since our grasp has exceeded our reach, and we really arent able to see much smaller, or observe in some other way much beyond that, we had to theorize.
it is called string theory because due to the math and such they figured they were just strings of energy vibrating at different frequencies, but some of them were closed strings (circles).

until a few years ago there were 5 or 6 undisputed string theory equations which accounted for anywhere from 5 to 23 different dimensions, but I guess they had a meeting and all decided upon a unified theory and agreed that there were 12 dimensions.

so, I dont know what it really entails for interconnectedness, but according to string theory, the universe described at the most reducible form is that everything is either space or strings of energy vibrating at different frequencies.

who knows, maybe one day we will find out that they all vibrate at octaves of 440 or the color blue.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8009443 - 02/11/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i expect that there is some pervading quality in which holographic effects occur, which enables fragments to echo totality, information wise, with clarity and definition increasing as parts coalesce.

a natural interconnectedness increases the clarity. but this is not the interconnectedness of remotely related particles; though it may relate to some aspect of the connectedness, something like vibratory resonance that may be engaged in one or more of 10 other dimensions.

i expect that only because I want to expect that, and I keep running into resonance being significant especially as we begin to produce things industrially that are so complex and so layered in nature that only a tiny fraction of humanity actually understand, while nearly everyone carries holographically stamped credit cards or ID or paper money, and nearly everyone in the first world has access to at least one computer.

realistically I know nothing about this - I just keep seeing fractal and holographic solutions where vibratory interference seems to recreate patterns and these patterns become connection keys -

it happens in the mind, and it happens in nature.

running into such consistency by observation (maybe just because we want to see that) is fairly encouraging.

I am stringing you along, this is nothing to do with string theory, but it hangs together by consistency and experience rather than math and experiment.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009480 - 02/11/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if you've got your head around some Physics and Math, I'd recommend a book called: The Collapse Of Chaos - Jack Cohen


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009481 - 02/11/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quantum mechanics:

So basically on a subatomic level anything is possible?
There is pure potential. But total randomness.

I find it very hard to understand, how all is interconnected if there's total randomness to subatomic levels. Then it simply cant be connected. (which i then do not beleive) because i KNOW everything is connected, im just looking for sceintific theory of this.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009497 - 02/11/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what if all subatomic particles were connected in a way by energy not observable by the physical eyes and mind, would this change the way you come to your conclusion?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009500 - 02/11/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

imagine tieing a leash around a jellyfish


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009504 - 02/11/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What exactly do you mean by interconnected?

Quantum mechanics tells us anything can happen at the subatomic level, but not everything is equally probable.

Think of it like the butterfly in South America causing a hurricane in China, only on an even smaller scale.

No one really has a satisfactory answer to your question though, because it gets at things which operate on a level we don't understand. String theory and quantum mechanics are useful models for conceptualizing the general workings of things in reality, but they do not tell us the mechanisms by which things work.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8009510 - 02/11/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
what if all subatomic particles were connected in a way by energy not observable by the physical eyes and mind, would this change the way you come to your conclusion?




Yes, i just don't like the idea of complete randomness being all there is, i can understand total randmoness being the basis for the universe, as then anything is possible, life has pure potential multiple lives etc...i dont know how they can meausre this to certain dimensions though!

But there HAS to be something beyond this randomness,(interconnectedness/cosmis consciousness) which unifies, i havent got to the end of that film yet though...just did.

D'OH! I dont think these strings should or can ever be measured though, it can only be a theory right?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009582 - 02/11/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This (string theory) to me sounds like sympathetic vibrational magnestism/interconnectedness/cosmic consciousness, but quantum mechanics brings the true potential of this to surface.

Would that be a rational way to look at it?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009589 - 02/11/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's all about the Quantum Jitters motherfuckers!


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009603 - 02/11/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

randomness as a concept is definitely not the basis of the universe.  the universe is a process that cannot be defined through language.  it is beyond language, beyond anything we can objectify and squeeze into a mere idea.  though i can identify with the desire to "grasp" :thumbup:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009606 - 02/11/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have a hunch that electrons are shared simultaneously throughout the universe. A part of me is a part of you. A part of us is a part of another galaxy. And all consciousness is a part of all of the universe. All one. Always.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009611 - 02/11/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

damn, that almost sends tingles up my spine :wink:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009639 - 02/11/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

11 dimensions total,10 plus time.
and dont forget the parallel universes.

These parallel universes exist less than one millimetre away from us. In fact, our gravity is just a weak signal leaking out of another universe into ours.

It may well be that the Big Bang wasn't really the beginning of everything after all. Time and space all existed before it. In fact Big Bangs may happen all the time.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8009655 - 02/11/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Universes might just be blackholes. That is why we cannot "exit" this universe, yet it continues to expand. Gravity suckage bros.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009683 - 02/11/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You should look into "Bose-Einstein condensates"...if you already see electrons as being shared, you've only got half way to go :wink:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009694 - 02/11/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Universes might just be blackholes. That is why we cannot "exit" this universe, yet it continues to expand. Gravity suckage bros.

Even a black hole has a "lifetime"...if it doesn't feed it doesn't last.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009713 - 02/11/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Besides...the whole "universe in a black hole" is a fun idea, but easily refuted. Remember that our universe is, for all intents and purposes, a closed system. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out.

If we were in a black hole universe, I would expect to find matter/energy appearing and disappearing all the time.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009721 - 02/11/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the question is what happens at the event horizon? :naughty:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8009767 - 02/11/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How are 11 dmimensions measured? i dont get it i get 2d and 3d but not 11d. And i thought there were 12?

These dimensions are just places/realms for life potential to be lived out?

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Ginseng1 said:
I have a hunch that electrons are shared simultaneously throughout the universe. A part of me is a part of you. A part of us is a part of another galaxy. And all consciousness is a part of all of the universe. All one. Always.




So could electrons be considered consciousness then?
Or just PART of cnsciousness thats measurable, as consciousness isnt?

I feel this string theory blends so well with religeous ideas within Tao and buddhism, all religeons really.



I want to here more please, its midnight here but i dont care i need to know more!


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8009773 - 02/11/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think the event horizon is the black hole :wink:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009782 - 02/11/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So could electrons be considered consciousness then?

No...consciousness only occurs on very large conglomerations of matter.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009793 - 02/11/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol thats thats easy way out.:tongue:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009796 - 02/11/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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trendal said:
So could electrons be considered consciousness then?

No...consciousness only occurs on very large conglomerations of matter.




are you saying you know how consciousness operates?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009815 - 02/11/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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chronic777 said:
This (string theory) to me sounds like sympathetic vibrational magnestism/interconnectedness/cosmic consciousness, but quantum mechanics brings the true potential of this to surface.

Would that be a rational way to look at it?




I think that until these models are refined more, it's unwise to use them as the foundation of any spiritual cosmology.

Frankly I don't understand wtf you're talking about with string theory as "sympathetic vibrational magnestism/interconnectedness/cosmic consciousness". String theory is what happens to physics when you consider strings as your fundamental unit instad of discreet points in space. As I understand it, most of the reason it gets so much positive attention despite telling us that theres 11 dimensions is because it is the first unified field theory out of which gravity arises naturally. Pretty nifty stuff, since every other model just introduces gravitation as a empirically confirmed Law. But hardly something to place all one's faith in.

Quantum mechanics brings one's true potential to the surface? Uh....

I hate to break it to you but virtually any spiritual mumbo jumbo you hear based upon quantum mechanics is a misinterpretation of the model. It's not an absolute truth, just a best approximation.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009834 - 02/11/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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trendal said:
So could electrons be considered consciousness then?

No...consciousness only occurs on very large conglomerations of matter.




I dont get it i thought consciousness occurs on everything


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8009840 - 02/11/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

Not the details, no.

If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009849 - 02/11/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

Not the details, no.

If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.




highest on this planet maybe.

but doesnt that mean that everyting has its own consciousness and all is connected by this consciousness, so cosmic consciousness is everything.

i know searching for spiritual menaing in scientific speculation is impossible but its nice to have somehitng realted for all those people who take cosmic consciousness as a bunch of hippy bullshit.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009855 - 02/11/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Main Entry:
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1 a: the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b: the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact
c: awareness; especially : concern for some social or political cause
2: the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : mind
3: the totality of conscious states of an individual
4: the normal state of conscious life <regained consciousness>
5: the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes




I'm sorry, but saying "consciousness occurs on everything" is using a different definition of the word.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009872 - 02/11/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

highest on this planet maybe.

True.

but doesnt that mean that everyting has its own consciousness

No, it doesn't. At least not with any definition of "consciousness" that I am aware of.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8009876 - 02/11/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hate to break it to you but virtually any spiritual mumbo jumbo you hear based upon quantum mechanics is a misinterpretation of the model.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009895 - 02/11/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think you see the definition im using, your just being pedantic, not the conventional sense of conscious, but an interconnectedness (cosmic consciousness) of everything, which i feel i know to be true, i just like trying to find sceintific theory that attempts to proove this so when i try and explain to people i can show them science is trying to proove it too, although it never probably will.

So far what i have to support my beleifs are electrons semmingly being everywhere at once & this string theory, along with simple things like the general theory of relativity.

Please tell me if you think i got osmething wrong or anything you thinki should know....


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009899 - 02/11/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.


What about an elephant? :macdre:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Lion]
    #8009915 - 02/11/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Consciousness is relative.Can your relate?

Of course the average human will think himself more conscious than the rest of earths lifeforms.ego is our trademark

If we are so aware..how can we be so blind?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009919 - 02/11/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If there is only one thing you learn from quantum mechanics...it is that we can not use our "feelings" to tell us anything about how the world truly works. If you do, then you will be wrong every time.

We are evolved to live and feel in the macroscopic world, the world of things like temperature, waves, rocks, and fire. Unfortunately for us (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) none of those things exist once you get down to the scale of individual atoms and particles.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Lion]
    #8009924 - 02/11/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What about an elephant?

An elephant may have a larger brain than a human (and why not, it has more mass to control) but it does not have one as complex as ours.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8009945 - 02/11/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Entropymancer said:It's not an absolute truth, just a best approximation.




nothing of our construct is an absolute truth.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009951 - 02/11/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the elephant may be as complex as us,
it's body is less ameniable for socialization and specialization, but it's mind and sensitivity are very refinable.
fundamentally more tranquil than ours.
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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009963 - 02/11/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sure non of those exist, when you break it down that much, but those things compromise the macroscopic world, without this world/universe, theres no point to anything, life is the product and point of all this.

Once again ill say it, i believe everything is interconnected through a cosmic consciousness/syncronicity that Jung spoke of if you like, or dont like :smile: This is also called sympathetic vibrational magnetism in some circles. It repelling and attracting what is necessary to find balance, once balance is found, liberation is realised and actualised.

The fact that this string theory tries to explain this interconnectedness is fantastic. As now theres is proof to show people who beleive interconnectednes is a load of mumbo jumbo. That even science is tryin to proove it.

Incase you didntnotice this thread is about interconnectedness which is generally considered spiritual mumbo jumbo, so noone can say i cant relate it to science as thats the purpose of creation of this thread.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009970 - 02/11/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You watched The Secret didn't you?
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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8009983 - 02/11/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nope never heard ofit, unless you mean the video at the top of this thread.

All my beleifs are based on pure experience.

Your beleif in my experience is uneccessary as you wont beleif until you experience.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009991 - 02/11/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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trendal said:
are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

Not the details, no.

If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.




some would argue that life is consciousness, and that everything is alive, growing and expanding. maybe a "whole" perspective is not observing the difference between the complexity of organisms, rather life as a single organism.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8010026 - 02/11/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I beleive everything life etc...is just a manifestion of Nirvana/One/Tao in physical form and invisible forces, all that science has and will ever discovered is this, striving/fighting/dancing/ for balance through interconnectedness.

Once it has found balance it shall remain in Nirvana Tao for all eternity. The Nirvana Tao is all there truely is.

I have NO doubt of this in my mind, you may do but once you experience it you shall doubt NEVER AGAIN.

All i want is scientific theory to back up interconnectedness so i can show people around me how theyre lives affect each other, so while we're here we can live happier, peaceful lives.

Forgive me if you think thats wrong.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010053 - 02/11/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have NO doubt of this in my mind, you may do but once you experience it you shall doubt NEVER AGAIN.


Take a deeper look. Is there really not a trace of doubt? Is there no part of you which is discontent?

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so i can show people around me how theyre lives affect each other, so while we're here we can live happier, peaceful lives.


I don't think that's wrong, but I think it may be somewhat presumptuous to think you can show others the right way to live. Because everyone is different, all any of us can do is strive to live in the way that seems right to us...trying to push that lifestyles on others is taking a step back. It creates more karma in my opinion, prolonging a sense of separation and unfulfilment.

The Way is the Way is the Way. You cannot teach the Way to others, you can only be the Way.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010091 - 02/11/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All i want is scientific theory to back up interconnectedness

if you have had no deep realization of the interconnectedness of life, how can you grasp interconnectedness through a mere theory? trying to understand through language would only bring pieces of information into mind, not the whole unified realization/becomingness of the web of life.

perhaps a theory would work to those who already have had somewhat of a realization, but to those who have been perceiving reality through a dualistic mindset their whole lives, not likely imo.

i don't think it is wrong, i just think that experience is the most effective way to understand. using only language is a barrier in understanding the roots of one's existence.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Lion]
    #8010117 - 02/11/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Lion said:
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I have NO doubt of this in my mind, you may do but once you experience it you shall doubt NEVER AGAIN.


Take a deeper look.  Is there really not a trace of doubt?  Is there no part of you which is discontent?

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so i can show people around me how theyre lives affect each other, so while we're here we can live happier, peaceful lives.


I don't think that's wrong, but I think it may be somewhat presumptuous to think you can show others the right way to live.  Because everyone is different, all any of us can do is strive to live in the way that seems right to us...trying to push that lifestyles on others is taking a step back.  It creates more karma in my opinion, prolonging a sense of separation and unfulfilment.

The Way is the Way is the Way.  You cannot teach the Way to others, you can only be the Way.




I agree with you 100% and thankyou for bringing it up, my ego has a tendency to exagerrate im apologize, i have realised these things but through some shadow of doubt they are not yet actualised. So you are correctamundo. I am VERY early on my path as you know.

The attachment i have to show others the truth, is because i feel people are starting to think ive gone crazy, when im more sane then ive ever been :smile:

I definately have an attachment to being accepted as an intelligent person and have a fear of being labelled crazy, there are those i have around me who love me for speaking my mind and providing them with food for thought, but most just think im crazy and preachy, trying to be holier than thou, when the only reason im "preaching" is because i see the beautiful equality, and our human suffering for this equality, its not becaus ei beleive im above anyone or anything, quite the opposite.

Im sure you can understand, of that i have no doubt :smile:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8010127 - 02/11/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
All i want is scientific theory to back up interconnectedness

if you have had no deep realization of the interconnectedness of life, how can you grasp interconnectedness through a mere theory?  trying to understand through language would only bring pieces of information into mind, not the whole unified realization/becomingness of the web of life.

perhaps a theory would work to those who already have had somewhat of a realization, but to those who have been perceiving reality through a dualistic mindset their whole lives, not likely imo.

i don't think it is wrong, i just think that experience is the most effective way to understand.  using only language is a barrier in understanding the roots of one's existence.




Thats so true language is like a symbol for that which we have no words, so there will never be any words for IT :smile:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010176 - 02/11/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010346 - 02/11/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you don't understand the math behind String Theory, there is no reason to talk about it. Anything you think you know about it is probably false or at best, a gross simplification. Same goes for quantum mechanics, the subject itself isn't very hard. If you just want to learn the basics, get the book by Dirac or any of the other ones. If you know math start out with one that uses group theory. But there is no reason to ever talk about either subject if you don't know the equations behind it.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8010728 - 02/11/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
imagine tieing a leash around a jellyfish




I regularly take my dogfish for a walk.


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