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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Invisibleredgreenvines
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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009951 - 02/11/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the elephant may be as complex as us,
it's body is less ameniable for socialization and specialization, but it's mind and sensitivity are very refinable.
fundamentally more tranquil than ours.
great memory too.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009963 - 02/11/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sure non of those exist, when you break it down that much, but those things compromise the macroscopic world, without this world/universe, theres no point to anything, life is the product and point of all this.

Once again ill say it, i believe everything is interconnected through a cosmic consciousness/syncronicity that Jung spoke of if you like, or dont like :smile: This is also called sympathetic vibrational magnetism in some circles. It repelling and attracting what is necessary to find balance, once balance is found, liberation is realised and actualised.

The fact that this string theory tries to explain this interconnectedness is fantastic. As now theres is proof to show people who beleive interconnectednes is a load of mumbo jumbo. That even science is tryin to proove it.

Incase you didntnotice this thread is about interconnectedness which is generally considered spiritual mumbo jumbo, so noone can say i cant relate it to science as thats the purpose of creation of this thread.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009970 - 02/11/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You watched The Secret didn't you?
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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8009983 - 02/11/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nope never heard ofit, unless you mean the video at the top of this thread.

All my beleifs are based on pure experience.

Your beleif in my experience is uneccessary as you wont beleif until you experience.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009991 - 02/11/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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trendal said:
are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

Not the details, no.

If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.




some would argue that life is consciousness, and that everything is alive, growing and expanding. maybe a "whole" perspective is not observing the difference between the complexity of organisms, rather life as a single organism.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8010026 - 02/11/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I beleive everything life etc...is just a manifestion of Nirvana/One/Tao in physical form and invisible forces, all that science has and will ever discovered is this, striving/fighting/dancing/ for balance through interconnectedness.

Once it has found balance it shall remain in Nirvana Tao for all eternity. The Nirvana Tao is all there truely is.

I have NO doubt of this in my mind, you may do but once you experience it you shall doubt NEVER AGAIN.

All i want is scientific theory to back up interconnectedness so i can show people around me how theyre lives affect each other, so while we're here we can live happier, peaceful lives.

Forgive me if you think thats wrong.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010053 - 02/11/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have NO doubt of this in my mind, you may do but once you experience it you shall doubt NEVER AGAIN.


Take a deeper look. Is there really not a trace of doubt? Is there no part of you which is discontent?

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so i can show people around me how theyre lives affect each other, so while we're here we can live happier, peaceful lives.


I don't think that's wrong, but I think it may be somewhat presumptuous to think you can show others the right way to live. Because everyone is different, all any of us can do is strive to live in the way that seems right to us...trying to push that lifestyles on others is taking a step back. It creates more karma in my opinion, prolonging a sense of separation and unfulfilment.

The Way is the Way is the Way. You cannot teach the Way to others, you can only be the Way.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010091 - 02/11/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All i want is scientific theory to back up interconnectedness

if you have had no deep realization of the interconnectedness of life, how can you grasp interconnectedness through a mere theory? trying to understand through language would only bring pieces of information into mind, not the whole unified realization/becomingness of the web of life.

perhaps a theory would work to those who already have had somewhat of a realization, but to those who have been perceiving reality through a dualistic mindset their whole lives, not likely imo.

i don't think it is wrong, i just think that experience is the most effective way to understand. using only language is a barrier in understanding the roots of one's existence.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Lion]
    #8010117 - 02/11/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Lion said:
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I have NO doubt of this in my mind, you may do but once you experience it you shall doubt NEVER AGAIN.


Take a deeper look.  Is there really not a trace of doubt?  Is there no part of you which is discontent?

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so i can show people around me how theyre lives affect each other, so while we're here we can live happier, peaceful lives.


I don't think that's wrong, but I think it may be somewhat presumptuous to think you can show others the right way to live.  Because everyone is different, all any of us can do is strive to live in the way that seems right to us...trying to push that lifestyles on others is taking a step back.  It creates more karma in my opinion, prolonging a sense of separation and unfulfilment.

The Way is the Way is the Way.  You cannot teach the Way to others, you can only be the Way.




I agree with you 100% and thankyou for bringing it up, my ego has a tendency to exagerrate im apologize, i have realised these things but through some shadow of doubt they are not yet actualised. So you are correctamundo. I am VERY early on my path as you know.

The attachment i have to show others the truth, is because i feel people are starting to think ive gone crazy, when im more sane then ive ever been :smile:

I definately have an attachment to being accepted as an intelligent person and have a fear of being labelled crazy, there are those i have around me who love me for speaking my mind and providing them with food for thought, but most just think im crazy and preachy, trying to be holier than thou, when the only reason im "preaching" is because i see the beautiful equality, and our human suffering for this equality, its not becaus ei beleive im above anyone or anything, quite the opposite.

Im sure you can understand, of that i have no doubt :smile:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8010127 - 02/11/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
All i want is scientific theory to back up interconnectedness

if you have had no deep realization of the interconnectedness of life, how can you grasp interconnectedness through a mere theory?  trying to understand through language would only bring pieces of information into mind, not the whole unified realization/becomingness of the web of life.

perhaps a theory would work to those who already have had somewhat of a realization, but to those who have been perceiving reality through a dualistic mindset their whole lives, not likely imo.

i don't think it is wrong, i just think that experience is the most effective way to understand.  using only language is a barrier in understanding the roots of one's existence.




Thats so true language is like a symbol for that which we have no words, so there will never be any words for IT :smile:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010176 - 02/11/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8010346 - 02/11/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you don't understand the math behind String Theory, there is no reason to talk about it. Anything you think you know about it is probably false or at best, a gross simplification. Same goes for quantum mechanics, the subject itself isn't very hard. If you just want to learn the basics, get the book by Dirac or any of the other ones. If you know math start out with one that uses group theory. But there is no reason to ever talk about either subject if you don't know the equations behind it.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8010728 - 02/11/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
imagine tieing a leash around a jellyfish




I regularly take my dogfish for a walk.


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