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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009713 - 02/11/08 05:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Besides...the whole "universe in a black hole" is a fun idea, but easily refuted. Remember that our universe is, for all intents and purposes, a closed system. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out.

If we were in a black hole universe, I would expect to find matter/energy appearing and disappearing all the time.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009721 - 02/11/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the question is what happens at the event horizon? :naughty:

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8009767 - 02/11/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How are 11 dmimensions measured? i dont get it i get 2d and 3d but not 11d. And i thought there were 12?

These dimensions are just places/realms for life potential to be lived out?

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I have a hunch that electrons are shared simultaneously throughout the universe. A part of me is a part of you. A part of us is a part of another galaxy. And all consciousness is a part of all of the universe. All one. Always.




So could electrons be considered consciousness then?
Or just PART of cnsciousness thats measurable, as consciousness isnt?

I feel this string theory blends so well with religeous ideas within Tao and buddhism, all religeons really.



I want to here more please, its midnight here but i dont care i need to know more!

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8009773 - 02/11/08 05:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think the event horizon is the black hole :wink:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009782 - 02/11/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So could electrons be considered consciousness then?

No...consciousness only occurs on very large conglomerations of matter.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009793 - 02/11/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

lol thats thats easy way out.:tongue:

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009796 - 02/11/08 05:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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So could electrons be considered consciousness then?

No...consciousness only occurs on very large conglomerations of matter.




are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009815 - 02/11/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This (string theory) to me sounds like sympathetic vibrational magnestism/interconnectedness/cosmic consciousness, but quantum mechanics brings the true potential of this to surface.

Would that be a rational way to look at it?




I think that until these models are refined more, it's unwise to use them as the foundation of any spiritual cosmology.

Frankly I don't understand wtf you're talking about with string theory as "sympathetic vibrational magnestism/interconnectedness/cosmic consciousness". String theory is what happens to physics when you consider strings as your fundamental unit instad of discreet points in space. As I understand it, most of the reason it gets so much positive attention despite telling us that theres 11 dimensions is because it is the first unified field theory out of which gravity arises naturally. Pretty nifty stuff, since every other model just introduces gravitation as a empirically confirmed Law. But hardly something to place all one's faith in.

Quantum mechanics brings one's true potential to the surface? Uh....

I hate to break it to you but virtually any spiritual mumbo jumbo you hear based upon quantum mechanics is a misinterpretation of the model. It's not an absolute truth, just a best approximation.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009834 - 02/11/08 05:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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trendal said:
So could electrons be considered consciousness then?

No...consciousness only occurs on very large conglomerations of matter.




I dont get it i thought consciousness occurs on everything

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8009840 - 02/11/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

Not the details, no.

If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009849 - 02/11/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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are you saying you know how consciousness operates?

Not the details, no.

If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.




highest on this planet maybe.

but doesnt that mean that everyting has its own consciousness and all is connected by this consciousness, so cosmic consciousness is everything.

i know searching for spiritual menaing in scientific speculation is impossible but its nice to have somehitng realted for all those people who take cosmic consciousness as a bunch of hippy bullshit.

Edited by Chronic7 (02/11/08 05:54 PM)

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009855 - 02/11/08 05:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Main Entry:
con·scious·ness
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noun
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1 a: the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b: the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact
c: awareness; especially : concern for some social or political cause
2: the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : mind
3: the totality of conscious states of an individual
4: the normal state of conscious life <regained consciousness>
5: the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes




I'm sorry, but saying "consciousness occurs on everything" is using a different definition of the word.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009872 - 02/11/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

highest on this planet maybe.

True.

but doesnt that mean that everyting has its own consciousness

No, it doesn't. At least not with any definition of "consciousness" that I am aware of.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8009876 - 02/11/08 05:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I hate to break it to you but virtually any spiritual mumbo jumbo you hear based upon quantum mechanics is a misinterpretation of the model.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009895 - 02/11/08 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think you see the definition im using, your just being pedantic, not the conventional sense of conscious, but an interconnectedness (cosmic consciousness) of everything, which i feel i know to be true, i just like trying to find sceintific theory that attempts to proove this so when i try and explain to people i can show them science is trying to proove it too, although it never probably will.

So far what i have to support my beleifs are electrons semmingly being everywhere at once & this string theory, along with simple things like the general theory of relativity.

Please tell me if you think i got osmething wrong or anything you thinki should know....

Edited by Chronic7 (02/11/08 06:07 PM)

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: trendal]
    #8009899 - 02/11/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If you look at life as a whole, higher levels of consciousness tend do reside in beings with higher complexities of brain. Thus a lizard has more consciousness than a insect, a cat more than a lizard, and a human the highest of all.


What about an elephant? :macdre:


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as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Lion]
    #8009915 - 02/11/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Consciousness is relative.Can your relate?

Of course the average human will think himself more conscious than the rest of earths lifeforms.ego is our trademark

If we are so aware..how can we be so blind?

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009919 - 02/11/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If there is only one thing you learn from quantum mechanics...it is that we can not use our "feelings" to tell us anything about how the world truly works. If you do, then you will be wrong every time.

We are evolved to live and feel in the macroscopic world, the world of things like temperature, waves, rocks, and fire. Unfortunately for us (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) none of those things exist once you get down to the scale of individual atoms and particles.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Lion]
    #8009924 - 02/11/08 06:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What about an elephant?

An elephant may have a larger brain than a human (and why not, it has more mass to control) but it does not have one as complex as ours.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8009945 - 02/11/08 06:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Entropymancer said:It's not an absolute truth, just a best approximation.




nothing of our construct is an absolute truth.

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