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Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix
    #8008204 - 02/11/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've extracted mescaline a number of times, but I always let the water containing the mescaline (& all the extra alkaloids) salts evaporate. Since all of the alkaloids were included, the trips were always very similar to drinking cactus tea. Very dreamy, with waves of intensity coming and going. It's almost as if you're underwater, or in a new, different world. Being totally immersed in the psychedelic syrup world is good. I have no qualms with it. It's very spiritual. But...

This last attempt, I collected the mescaline crystals that precipitated out of the (extraneous alkaloid-laden) water, then dissolved and recrystallized. I was left with small snow white, needle-like crystals.

Wow, what a difference. The onset came much faster. I had an empty stomach, but I was actually a little concerned that I might have taken a bit too much since I was feeling very strong effects after 45 minutes, and was seriously tripping after 90 minutes. There were initial waves of intensity interrupted with occasional waves of physical euphoria unlike what I experienced on the cactus blend of alkaloids. The euphoric waves felt absolutely incredible! The whole experience was a lot cleaner. After 2 hours, I didn't see things the same way anymore, but the dream state was much more lucid. It was as if this world was changed, rather than entering into a different one. More transparent, and in that respect closer to LSD. Everything was moving as if I was looking though heat waves. After 5 hours, I was wanting to kick it up even higher because it was so smooth. No anxiety at all anymore at that point. (Re-dosing after 3 hours might be an option, or maybe a mushroom because it works faster.) It went away a lot cleaner, too. After 12 hours, I didn't feel as thick and drugged as I usually do from cactus. Fantastic. Highly recommended.

The next thing to do is to evaporate out the remaining alkaloid salts to compare the effects. I would expect it to be really, really dreamy. That's for the next trip report.


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8008754 - 02/11/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nice description.

Makes me wish i had extracted all my cactus a few trips ago. Having done it a good number of times by chugging the powder, last time i decided i'm not drinking that stuff straight ever again. I still have some left tho. Definitely have to find the time to give the full extraction a go.

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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8183345 - 03/23/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)
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I've extracted mescaline a number of times, but I always let the water containing the mescaline (& all the extra alkaloids) salts evaporate. Since all of the alkaloids were included, the trips were always very similar to drinking cactus tea. Very dreamy, with waves of intensity coming and going. It's almost as if you're underwater, or in a new, different world. Being totally immersed in the psychedelic syrup world is good. I have no qualms with it. It's very spiritual. But...

This last attempt, I collected the mescaline crystals that precipitated out of the (extraneous alkaloid-laden) water, then dissolved and recrystallized. I was left with small snow white, needle-like crystals.

Wow, what a difference. The onset came much faster. I had an empty stomach, but I was actually a little concerned that I might have taken a bit too much since I was feeling very strong effects after 45 minutes, and was seriously tripping after 90 minutes. There were initial waves of intensity interrupted with occasional waves of physical euphoria unlike what I experienced on the cactus blend of alkaloids. The euphoric waves felt absolutely incredible! The whole experience was a lot cleaner. After 2 hours, I didn't see things the same way anymore, but the dream state was much more lucid. It was as if this world was changed, rather than entering into a different one. More transparent, and in that respect closer to LSD. Everything was moving as if I was looking though heat waves. After 5 hours, I was wanting to kick it up even higher because it was so smooth. No anxiety at all anymore at that point. (Re-dosing after 3 hours might be an option, or maybe a mushroom because it works faster.) It went away a lot cleaner, too. After 12 hours, I didn't feel as thick and drugged as I usually do from cactus. Fantastic. Highly recommended.

The next thing to do is to evaporate out the remaining alkaloid salts to compare the effects. I would expect it to be really, really dreamy. That's for the next trip report.




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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: ytrewq]
    #8183351 - 03/23/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have two quick questions for you:

After you collected the mescaline crystals that precipitated out of the (extraneous alkaloid-laden) water, what substance did you dissolve them in? How did you collect these crystals?

And, approximately how many grams of these new crystals did you get from your original starting material? If, say you started with 100 g of powdered cactus.

Thank you for taking time to answer my questions.


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8183354 - 03/23/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have two quick questions for you:
After you collected the mescaline crystals that precipitated out of the (extraneous alkaloid-laden) water, what substance did you dissolve them in? How did you collect these crystals?

And, approximately how many grams of these new crystals did you get from your original starting material? If, say you started with 100 g of powdered cactus.

Thank you for taking time to answer my questions.


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: ytrewq]
    #8183874 - 03/23/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I used near boiling distilled water. The mescaline salts totally dissolved and recrystallized as thin white needles.

But, the purity came from crystallization, not recrystallization.

Details of the extraction method are found here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7875294/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8183906 - 03/23/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Here's a report from the other side of the extraction...

After doing an acid/base extraction, 4.8g of mescaline citrate crystals were collected from the water, and the remaining alkaloid salts (and whatever extraneous citric acid there might be) was left to evaporate.



This was an experiment using the .65g of extraneous alkaloids and citric acid.


Noon: A 250mg dose was dissolved in water and drunk.

1:00 Another 150mg

1:45 Another 250mg. What I first noticed was that the by-product was substantially less immediately potent than the mescaline citrate crystals that precipitated out of solution.

2:00: My feet and hands were colder than on a more intense dose of more pure product. Also getting some chest congestion.

It is still mostly mescaline, so the differences in effects are expected to be more in variations of the familiar mescaline trip. Certain aspects of the trip are more intense, others less noticeable.

2:30: Very dreamy and introspective, but I have a good feeling. It’s not euphoria, but more like satisfaction. Chemically created satisfaction. Oddly, it doesn’t feel strange at all.

2:45: I noticed some muscle tension in my calves and inner thighs. It seems that one of the other alkaloids other than the mescaline is responsible for the majority of the muscle tension. This is good to know, but I’m not sure if it is worth the trouble of separating the crystals.

3:00: Time drags a little, but doesn’t slow nearly to the degree felt on pure mescaline citrate. On pure mescaline citrate, time actually seems to stop. That’s a very interesting aspect of the mescaline trip, but not always the most desirable. Sometimes it would be, like at the perfect spot on vacation. Otherwise, you might want the “time lubrication” action that seems to come from the other alkaloids. It seems to come on slower and build. Very dreamy at times.

3:15: An intense spike of panic hits. I felt all of a sudden out of place. Introspective, but uncomfortable. A little cold sweat. I need to move to shift my focus. Not as smooth of a ride as pure mescaline citrate, but I am convinced that it does add some value to the experience. I don’t particularly much care for the concentrated extraneous alkaloids, but mixed in with the rest of the mescaline citrate I think it would make for the proper trip.

3:30: The trees outside seem more like a tangled mess from a shredded Van Gogh than the ordered fractals I focused on before. The feeling comes definitely much more in waves of intoxication that ebb and flow.

4:00: Another less intense wave of disconnected, confused panic sweeps through again, but is more easily managed. It’s almost surprising considering how much later it came compared to the first negative wave. I am very much under the influence as might be expected, but it is not an infinitely friendly ride as with pure mescaline. This seems to have a bite to it whenever it wants to flip itself over and expose some negativity.

4:30: Much less constant. Intense at times, almost transparent at others. Temperature regulation is much more of an issue, and I am still getting alkaloid sweats.

4:45: Another wave of dream exhausts itself over me. I feel almost nauseous and take a walk in the cold outdoors to sooth myself.

5:00: Now virtually swimming in mescaline alkaloid soup, just too heavy on the spices for my taste. This isn’t a dose of a drug that I would choose for recreation. As my heart beats and my pits sweat, I feel just a bit uneasy. These are the rough negative feelings that extraction usually eliminates. It’s interesting to do once to know the difference in experience, but it’s not particularly enjoyable even at 650mg. Unlike straight mescaline, I do not feel that it would be comfortable to raise the dose. The negative stresses increase with the positive effects, making higher doses not worth it.

5:30: When the intensity subsides for a moment, slivers of euphoria swell to fill the gaps. For the first time in a while now, I actually feel good. I believe that the dose may have crested. It isn’t done by any means, but it may have reached its peak in intensity.

6:00: I feel that I need a good stretch to move the alkaloids through my muscles. The experience is getting more enjoyable as the intensity decreases, and it feels even better because of the lifted negative stresses. There is still tension hiding in my legs, but it is nothing too bothersome. It is interesting to feel the trip’s limiting negative factors isolated. It makes me happy to know I also have a product without it.


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8184213 - 03/23/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

WOW!!!!

So there is a big difference between the recrystallized mescaline citrate and the left-over alkaloid material, in terms of the 'trip'.

Another quick question: how were you able to seperate the recrystallized mescaline citrate from the left-over alkaloid material?


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8184464 - 03/23/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for answering my questions.

I have a couple more though. I hope you don't mind.

I just want to go over the re-crystallization process with you, to make sure I am on the right track. Please, if I am doing anything wrong, feel free to tell me.

So after you finish all five extractions you collect the water with the alkaloids in five small jars with lids. Then wait over night? (I am not sure how long to wait).

Then you remove all the precipitated crystals from the water solution (what is the best way to do this?) and add them to near boiling water. I am guessing you add enough near boiling water to cover the crystals, but again I'm not sure. (Could you tell me how much near bioling water you added, approximately).

Then add this solution (crystals and near boiling water) to a pyrex pan and wait for it to evaporate. After evaporation, these crystals should be almost pure mescaline citrate. Right?

And if you started the whole process with 100 g of dried cactus, you should yield approximately 4.8 g of mescaline citrate in the form of almost pure crystals. Is this correct?

Then with the left over water, that you removed the precipitated crystals from, you get the alkaloids that evaporate to form the 'extraneous alkaloids and citric acid'. This material is not as potent and gives the user a mild trip. Right? This weighs, starting with 100g of dried cactus, approximately .65 g. Is this correct?

Thanks for taking your time to review this process. I think it's good for people to know this process in order to give them amazing trips. Thanks!


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: ytrewq]
    #8186174 - 03/24/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I think you've summarized it quite well, and answered most of your own questions in the process. It's all pretty obvious when you actually do it.


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8187480 - 03/24/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Got some quick questions for you: (thanks for helping)

1) Where do you get your, dried or fresh, san pedro cactus or peruvian torch?

2)Does re-crystillization of crystals produce a higher yield than crystallization? What is the difference?

3) What is the typical dose for crystallized mescaline citrate, recrystallized mescaline citrate, and the evaporated mescaline acetate + other alkaloids, based on your 'trip' experience?

4) Do you have to wait 24 hrs between each extraction of xylene from the glass jar? Can you use stainless steel as an alternative to glass?

5) Can you leave the alkaloid solution in the fridge overnight or only in the fridge for a couple of hours? How many hours does it take for the crystals to precipitate? How do you do it?

6) Would you recommend for first time users, crystallizing the water/alkaloid solution and then removing crystals, or, further, re-crystallizing these crystals to get more crystals? Or just evaporate the water + alkaloid solution in air, and collect the crystals? What are the advantages, 'trip'-wise, for each type of crystal? Like the most mystical trip, visual trip, physical trip?

Thanks for answering these procedure questions. Your personal experience and success is what I'm looking for.


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: ytrewq]
    #8187616 - 03/24/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #8247191 - 04/06/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

How long does it take for the mixture of lye, naptha, and cactus take to separate?


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: 04281969]
    #10325955 - 05/12/09 06:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

this is very good to know about the difference of effects.... it sounds like precipitation is the way to go. perhaps mixing a smaller ratio of the mystery alkaloid to the precipitated mesc would smooth it out without taking to much of the euphoria you expereinced away.

though it could all be subjective....im intrested if you have continuded experimenting with these different effects?


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Re: Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix [Re: leturheadread]
    #12744357 - 06/14/10 10:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

follow the 69ron tek swim claimed that it was totally amazing.


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