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Hopeless Virgin...
#8007249 - 02/11/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm 20. I'm a virgin. I'm hopeless.
Discuss?
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PilzeEssen


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im in the same fucking situation.... SAME.
girls just like to fuck with my head. thats all. never goes past that.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8007288 - 02/11/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know it can't be hard. I am decent looking I assume. I always talk to cuties. Never goes anywhere. I give up really. I think I am just going to become a hermit, smoke by myself, and attempt to write lyrics. 
I am hopeless and it sucks. It's like I just want to get rid of my pesky V-card really.
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xdzt

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There are always hookers?
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: xdzt]
#8007328 - 02/11/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is also not being a smartass.
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Groomies
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: xdzt]
#8007335 - 02/11/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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one tip i could give you guys is .. don't be scared to do things. alot of times the girl want it just as much as you but they don't want to look like a hoe. so you guys have to make the move. you guys are only 20.. girls your age are only thinking about sex. they don't care about how much money you have yet.
everything start with simple touching... like when shes cold put your arms around her. kiss her on the neck if you feel she is comfortable in your arms. then when you two get more comfortable, softly place your hand on her butt next time you hug. sometime you may think its perverted but most of the time the girl don't care and actually like it.
so unless your a hot stud. don't expect pussy to fall on your lap. you want that pussy you go get it.
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PilzeEssen


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Anonymous said: There is also not being a smartass.
-------------------- "The soul has greater need of the ideal than of the real. It is by the real that we exist, it is by the ideal that we live." If you want to get a hold of me, my email address is in my profile. Just click on my screen name. I got banned from using private messages cause I didn't follow the rules...
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Moxemerald
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Groomies]
#8007340 - 02/11/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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also dont be too much of a wussy IE constantly being nice, waiting on her, etc. Nothing a chick digs more than a guy whos confident and in control of his own life. as long as youre not trying too hard itll come.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Groomies]
#8007342 - 02/11/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good advice man. I don't take initiative at all and am anxious most of the time or too fucked up beyond recognition. I'm no stud but I shouldn't have this much trouble considering I go to a school with like 20k girls at it. 
I have some pondering to do.
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I think I try to rush things maybe? I need to take shit a day at a time.
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Groomies
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yeah don't rush things. it doesn't work. thats like asking a girl " do you fuck on the first date?" most likely she'll say no. confidence is important. but dont' be cocky.
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xdzt

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Quote:
Anonymous said: There is also not being a smartass.
A bit harsh. Hookers are a viable way to lose your virginity. If you're really desperate to lose your v-card, why not pay to expedite?
Also, one could "get bitches drunk". I hear that works.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Groomies]
#8007376 - 02/11/08 01:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have this lil chicken that I am tryin to fuck. She wants to try some weed brownies so I was thinkin of inviting her over and baking them and then eating em with her. Not sure who else would be involved but it sounds like a pretty solid plan, no?
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Groomies
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you might not be in the mood to do anything if you do.
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NiamhNyx
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It helps to stop thinking of girls as objects that need to be tricked into fucking you. It's creepy. A total turn off. Getting a girl ripping high is not a 'solid plan.' Most of the advice here is the kind of total bullshit that comes from creepshow assholes who probably aren't getting any themselves. Just relax. You say you have no trouble talking to girls, do you ever ask them out on dates? Don't be pushy. Treat her with respect but also don't be afraid to show her you're attracted to her. Just take it one step at a time. 20 is not that old dude, don't be so hard on yourself.
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8007481 - 02/11/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: It helps to stop thinking of girls as objects that need to be tricked into fucking you. It's creepy. A total turn off. Getting a girl ripping high is not a 'solid plan.' Most of the advice here is the kind of total bullshit that comes from creepshow assholes who probably aren't getting any themselves. Just relax. You say you have no trouble talking to girls, do you ever ask them out on dates? Don't be pushy. Treat her with respect but also don't be afraid to show her you're attracted to her. Just take it one step at a time. 20 is not that old dude, don't be so hard on yourself.
QFT
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Moxemerald
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Quote:
MushmanTheManic said:
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NiamhNyx said: It helps to stop thinking of girls as objects that need to be tricked into fucking you. It's creepy. A total turn off. Getting a girl ripping high is not a 'solid plan.' Most of the advice here is the kind of total bullshit that comes from creepshow assholes who probably aren't getting any themselves. Just relax. You say you have no trouble talking to girls, do you ever ask them out on dates? Don't be pushy. Treat her with respect but also don't be afraid to show her you're attracted to her. Just take it one step at a time. 20 is not that old dude, don't be so hard on yourself.
QFT
QFT ... minus the whole dating part.. Asking girls on dates is like setting your self up to be either rejected or whipped in the long term. You shouldnt have to take a girl out. If she digs you she'll join you when you go out by yourself or she can accompany you or tag along with you when you go out to eat or anywhere really. Of course I'm only assuming when you said ask them out on dates you meant the traditional 'The Man pays' kind of date.. in which case i'd like to mention I refuse to pay for women.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8007506 - 02/11/08 02:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The brownies were more a reason to hang out than a way to get her pants off. I am a timid guy borderline anxious. I need to learn to relax and just flow. I have been drowning so to speak as of late and just can't get that flow that I used to have. Gimme some xanax!
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xdzt

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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Moxemerald]
#8007524 - 02/11/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Moxemerald said:
QFT ... minus the whole dating part.. Asking girls on dates is like setting your self up to be either rejected or whipped in the long term. You shouldnt have to take a girl out. If she digs you she'll join you when you go out by yourself or she can accompany you or tag along with you when you go out to eat or anywhere really. Of course I'm only assuming when you said ask them out on dates you meant the traditional 'The Man pays' kind of date.. in which case i'd like to mention I refuse to pay for women.
Do people actually go on dates? I've never been on a date as a precursor to a relationship. With me and everyone I know it's always a case of growing closer and closer with a friend until something blossoms.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: xdzt]
#8008039 - 02/11/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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man, dont be too hard on yourself, i was a virgin till i was 21.
not really a big deal man.
-------------------- PEACE
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: ZippoZ]
#8008060 - 02/11/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lucky for you there is a wealth of information on the internet dedicated to helping guys pick up girls.
There is a following, that came mainly after Neil Strauss (sp?) published his book "The Game", that is dedicated to getting guys to pick up & rail out girls. They call it "sarging".
The forum where they discuss is http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/index.php
Start out in "best of the forum", "classic writings", or "discussion". Now, most of their posts are about picking up girls, and going through these pre-designed steps that lead to a female's trust, comfort etc. etc.
These are not the reasons I (and some others) use the site. There are vast sections on stuff that shy people need to figure out. How to approach, how to start a conversation. Body language that should be avoided. Tips on dress, grooming, basic hygeine.
Personally, I like to go on there and read the threads full of quirky one-liners that get girls to chuckle. For example, if I'm talking to a girl and she drops something - respond with a sarcastic "see- this is why we can't own nice things". It gets a laugh, and subconsciously infers the possibility of you being together for an undetermined amount of time.
'eh, check it out - it's helped me gain a lot of confidence through it's wealth of information - and can do the same for you i suppose.
Ah yes - i'm posting anonymously because my peers (IRL friends who also read the shroomery) are very immature and would joke endlessly if they knew i read on a sarging forum, hahaha
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Moxemerald]
#8008343 - 02/11/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Moxemerald said: Of course I'm only assuming when you said ask them out on dates you meant the traditional 'The Man pays' kind of date.. in which case i'd like to mention I refuse to pay for women.
I didn't mean that at all. The last "date" I went on involved a couple of beers, a noise show and rolling under fences in the railyard. I am so not down with the traditional man-has-to-pay-and-bring-roses thing. I use the word "date" rather loosely, to just mean one on one hangout with a person you like.
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8008349 - 02/11/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh lord, and please disregard the shite advise of the poster immediately above me. "The Game" is bullshit.
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WhiskeyClone
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Tip:
When you meet people (friends-of-friends or whoever,) make sure you say enough so that they remember you. When you're self-conscious, it's tempting to say nothing. This is a social death trap. Just make sure you provide some voluntary input to the conversation. Always always.
-------------------- Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it. ~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8008563 - 02/11/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Oh lord, and please disregard the shite advise of the poster immediately above me. "The Game" is bullshit.
perhaps you should have read the post.
I referenced him to the site so he can gather some pre-arranged material of funny things to say in the event that he is conversing with a woman he has interest in.
Having a large amount of pre-arranged jokes and lines relieves the pressure of not knowing the right thing to say. You don't have to think of anything - because it's been thought for you. Once you've gained confidence and comfort conversing with women naturally, the pre-arranged lines can be dumped for original material.
I didnt suggest the guy go on there and start sarging to rail out chics on the daily, just to go get some of the VERY USEFUL information that is stored there.
I believe this (and my original) post serve SOME purpose (while it may be minimal), and thusly - are productive.
edit... (trendal)
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i'm a dude and I always thought the game was pretty gay myself. the lines and jokes are cheesy.
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MushroomTrip
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I just payed a visit to that site. It's kind of retarded if you ask me.
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Anybody who's read The Game and doesn't believe there is any useful information in it has not actually read it.
Pickup artistry as a whole makes me nauseous, but there are some social fundamentals that can be learned from that and other similar books. Just take what you can get from it.
No reason to tear this guy a new asshole, he's only trying to help. If you want to shit on someone's ideas, try a different forum.
-------------------- Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it. ~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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mod edit. this is a serious forum, joking about date rape drugs aint funny.
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs



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You should test it in a gay bar and see what happens
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Anonymous said: You don't have to think of anything - because it's been thought for you.
Best. Line. Ever.
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b0b gnarley
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mod edit, once againm date rape= not funny
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: b0b gnarley]
#8009820 - 02/11/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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b0b gnarley
Hold my beer and watch this!



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NiamhNyx
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Anonymous said:
SO, in conclusion, you're an ass.
I may be an ass, but I'm also a woman, and a rather socially insightful one at that, so my perspective is a little more relevant and helpful than a cheeseball website for losers and creeps. Any woman with even half a brain can see through that garbage in a second.
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NiamhNyx
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MushmanTheManic said:
Yeah, wtf gnarley, advocating the date rape drug? Fuck.
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MushmanTheManic
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Anonymous said: I'm 20. I'm a virgin. I'm hopeless.
Discuss?
Once I lost my virginity, I realized how lame it was that I was so concerned about getting rid of it in the first place. It was a disappointment. If I could do it all over again, I'd wait until I found a girl that I truly respected and had some sort of connection with instead of sticking my dick in the first opening I saw.
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b0b gnarley
Hold my beer and watch this!



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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8009974 - 02/11/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said:
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MushmanTheManic said:
Yeah, wtf gnarley, advocating the date rape drug? Fuck.
That's ban-worthy?
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: b0b gnarley]
#8010058 - 02/11/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Advocating rape?
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NiamhNyx
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Quote:
MushmanTheManic said:
Once I lost my virginity, I realized how lame it was that I was so concerned about getting rid of it in the first place. It was a disappointment. If I could do it all over again, I'd wait until I found a girl that I truly respected and had some sort of connection with instead of sticking my dick in the first opening I saw.
Funny, because when I lost my virginity I realized how pointless it had been to wait. I held out for awhile wanting to be 'in love', and when i finally did it I really did love the guy, but we were drunk at a halloween party and it was sloppy and bad. It wouldn't have been any worse to have just gone for it with a previous boyfriend. But it doesn't matter, because losing your virginity isn't a big deal.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8010229 - 02/11/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was never much for date rape. I just want to lose it so then I don't have it if that makes sense. That way I won't have the mindset 'oh I am a virgin' instead I'll just be like whatever.
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the free thinker
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i wish i had some pussy for my dick right now...
hey, i feel you man. i didnt lose it till i was 20. im 22 now. i had a relationship with this girl (who i still think about) for a year. we broke up, and since then ive felt crippled to getting another girl. ive kissed girls and made out and stuff but nothing involving my dick. 
its hard, but dont worry. it will happen.
and the hooker comment wasnt THAT out of line. if you really wanted to, you could go do it right now - with a hooker.
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Naw, you're not hopeless. 20 is still pretty young. You'll get some nay soon.
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b0b gnarley
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You could try craigslist?
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8011195 - 02/11/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said:
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MushmanTheManic said:
Once I lost my virginity, I realized how lame it was that I was so concerned about getting rid of it in the first place. It was a disappointment. If I could do it all over again, I'd wait until I found a girl that I truly respected and had some sort of connection with instead of sticking my dick in the first opening I saw.
Funny, because when I lost my virginity I realized how pointless it had been to wait.
If I had waited - which, considering my gender, seems unlikely - I might have come to the same conclusion. 
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But it doesn't matter, because losing your virginity isn't a big deal.
'zactly.
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I felt the same way until it pretty much just happened when I was 19, but it really doesn't matter. Yeah, I suppose it's nice to not always be reminded that your a virgin, but it can be a double edged sword as well. That way, you don't know what your missing... and if your shy like me that can be a good thing. Maybe you'll get lucky and meet someone, but that's not going to change everything, so then eventually your going to be single, and in the same position again except you want it even more because you know how nice it can be.
Of course there's several other possibilities, but really... losing your virginity doesn't change much. It almost seems like a pointless label at times. Love and relationships have meaning, but sex... I don't know about that so much. As far as everything goes, I certainly wouldn't say it's very important. And if it is, then you could probably find some better priorities.
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learning how to get sex is harder than learning how to have sex definately.
looking back it was so stupid.
it has everything to do with confidencei iguess thats the word, but when people told me that i figured I had to change who i was -- not the case. and know what you want. and know when the time is to make a move, because unless they are the type who pray on innocent shy boys, they will not make the first move. dont force anything, but let them know you are down if they are down.
and theres many fish in the sea, regardless of who you are or what you look like or what kinda game you spit. Meet more people, increase your odds. dont be afraid of being a virgin either, 20 isnt that old. Wear that shit with pride, but not too much or you will be turning down ass left and right.
its cool to get experience I guess, but honestly I wish i didnt lose my virginity to who I did. and after I did, and I could fuck whenever I wanted, i prefered to rub one off anyways, much faster and easier.
dont stress
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: tak]
#8011861 - 02/12/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I had the same problem....for me it was realizing that failure isn't that big of a deal...
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8014802 - 02/12/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Oh lord, and please disregard the shite advise of the poster immediately above me. "The Game" is bullshit.
This is not true.
The game is the game.
Some poeple play the game, some don't. Anyway, the game is geared towards guys trying to pick up sexy sexygirls. These girls constantly have dicks trying to pick them up with cheesy pick-up lines and stuff. Since these kinds of girls usually can get any guy they want.. they have a checklist and just tick off the losers they don't want.
So what do they want? They want a guy that doesn't seem to want them but plays games with them. They want a challenge.
With all that being said, the game IS bullshit. But that's the way it goes in the sexy hard-to-get world.
If you want a girl based on her personality, you could have a girl tomorrow. Unfortunately we live in a materialistic fuckin world. And this is why the OP hasn't gotten laid is because his standards are too high and the higher your standards go (if you really have nothing to offer but yourself and if you're not Leonardo in Titanic...) then you will not get any.
So the moral of the story is: learn to play the game if you keep looking at those sexy girls or just go for the girl that likes you and relax.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Ginseng1]
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So what you're saying is that sexy girls are mindless, shallow bitches and that intelligent girls with interesting personalities look like dogs? Puhleease.
Congratulations for reinforcing my position on how fucking clueless a guy has to be to buy into this "game" bullshit.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8015160 - 02/12/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you're being kind of closed minded as to what kind of world "The Game" operates in NiamhNyx.
Clubs, bars, etc. in those scenes - stereotypes hold true, odds are hot = dumb.
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: memes]
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I don't think close minded is the term you're looking for.
I realize that "the game" is a club scene thing. I think it's a total load of bullshit because I think the club scene is a total load of bullshit. A bunch of manipulative morons trying desperately to fuck the best commodity on the market is not my idea of a good time, nor a very interesting way to have an active and exciting sex life. A person can be as promiscuous as they like without being a total dickbag about it.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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NiamhNyx said: I don't think close minded is the term you're looking for.
I realize that "the game" is a club scene thing. I think it's a total load of bullshit because I think the club scene is a total load of bullshit. A bunch of manipulative morons trying desperately to fuck the best commodity on the market is not my idea of a good time, nor a very interesting way to have an active and exciting sex life. A person can be as promiscuous as they like without being a total dickbag about it.
You frequently use terms like "i think" and "my idea of" in your post as if your opinion is the only one that matters. If you think "the game" and it's subculture serve no purpose that's fine - but to actively petition your opinion on others who may be able to benefit from some of the aspects of that way of life seems selfish and counterproductive to me.
The foundation to any "game" of intimate attraction is a solid base of self-confidence. It just so happens the most common obstacle for guys who are shy around girls (a.k.a. virgins) is a lack of self-confidence when conversing/interacting with an attractive female. It also just so happens that the first development in "the game" is builiing self confidence - which is exactly what the OP needs.
So, is the advice to the OP of dipping lightly into a few of the sectors of this subculture such a terrible idea? Does your negative opinion of it matter so much that a guy who (might I add) is asking for help shouldn't even bother to consider another poster's opinions?
I'm sure (at some point in this thread) you've offered your opinion on the matter, this is another opinion - although contrary to your own - that may serve a purpose.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: memes]
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So basically what you're saying is that she gave her opinion once and now she shouldn't speak her mind about "the game"? But you can disagree with her, only that she shouldn't disagree with you?  This is a free forum, you are not in the position to make this kid of judgment so I don't see the purpose of your complains.  Also... you are telling her that her advice can be detrimental to the OP?  The OP is looking for advice how to be around women, and a female advice is refused because men know better?
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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NiamhNyx said: So what you're saying is that sexy girls are mindless, shallow bitches and that intelligent girls with interesting personalities look like dogs? Puhleease.
Congratulations for reinforcing my position on how fucking clueless a guy has to be to buy into this "game" bullshit.
No not atall. I wasn't trying to generalize. But as far as certain age groups go and certain scenes, it is safe to generalize because thats the way it is because it's real. I mean, if you wan't to play it safe. Not all sexy girls are shallow bitches. Not all sexy guys are shallow pricks. But you tell me, how would you approach somebody that you wanted so bad but afraid to mess it up? Think about that one...
And seriously, if a guy came up to you and used his "game".. like true game.. you could easily fall for him. This is life. It's like.. perfect for everybody aslong as they just know what to do.
This includes money, happiness, fun times, jokes times, everything. If you know how to do life, you just win. Period.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Ginseng1]
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One more thingy... For every subject, every paradigm.. there are always basic guidelines and things to know.
There are guidelines for everything. And they are only guidlenes. You don't have to live by them, but they sure as hell can get you places. Years of experience and understanding will usually end up as guidelines but never ever 100% definitive of anything. Because nothing is static.
You don't hope to score by walking blindly into situations you gotta have some basic understanding of human sociology and gender roles and shit. The "game" is just shitty word to describe what humans beings have been playing ever since who knows when?
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Ginseng1]
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You frequently use terms like "i think" and "my idea of" in your post as if your opinion is the only one that matters.
The whole point of saying "I think" "my idea of" "my opinion" is to make quite clear that the speaker's views are thier own and that they don't pretend to represent anyone other than themselves. So this criticism is completely ludicrous.
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Ginseng1 said: But you tell me, how would you approach somebody that you wanted so bad but afraid to mess it up? Think about that one...
Well, if you care to check a few threads down on the list, I started a thread about this very issue in my own life. How's a person supposed to approach someone who's so cute they make you nervous? I certainly am not gonna walk up to the guy and say "I'm wearing two different colognes (or perfumes) would you smell my wrists and tell me which you like better?" pfft. That's just silly. (And I got it off the link to "the game" website an earlier poster put up.) No. I'm going to walk up to the guy and tell him that I think it's silly I've been too shy to talk to him and that I think he's cute. Simple, straight forward, sincere, and casual. That's sexy.
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And seriously, if a guy came up to you and used his "game".. like true game.. you could easily fall for him. This is life. It's like.. perfect for everybody aslong as they just know what to do.
I can spot a bullshitter from a mile away. Just the other night I was the observant momma bear to a naive younger girl who was being played by a cheeseball at the bar. I told her what he was doing, and she said "Yeah, I wasn't sure but you're right. I'm definitly not going home with him." So no, I never have and I never will fall for a guy using his "true game." I don't play guys, and I don't let myself get played. It's just not how I roll.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: memes]
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I have to admit, Pick-up Artist "techniques" are a good way to pick up a specific type of girl...
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I should also mention that I know some of the top (at least they consider themselves the top ) Pick-up Artists in Chicago... just too brag.
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MushroomTrip said: So basically what you're saying is that she gave her opinion once and now she shouldn't speak her mind about "the game"? But you can disagree with her, only that she shouldn't disagree with you?  This is a free forum, you are not in the position to make this kid of judgment so I don't see the purpose of your complains.  Also... you are telling her that her advice can be detrimental to the OP?  The OP is looking for advice how to be around women, and a female advice is refused because men know better?
wtf? where did you get all this from?
My posts were designed to make NiamHyx(sp?) understand that she can't write off helpful posts as "bullshit" because she disagrees with the principles of a subculture. Fact of the matter is, most of the guidelines and development techniques used in "the game" would greatly help the OP.
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-Clearly you wouldn't walk up to a guy you've been eye-fucking (sarcasm) at a coffee shop and ask him which cologne he likes more. Wrong setting, and wrong target. If you were to go to a bar, dressed appropriately, and asked a guy you thought was cute the same question - the results would be entirely different (most likely positive).
I'm not writing anyone else's opinion's off as wrong, in bad taste, or any other negatively descriptive word. I'm just saying that the help given citing "the game" isn't all bullshit, it has some value to it.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: memes]
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I'm not writing anyone else's opinion's off as wrong, in bad taste, or any other negatively descriptive word. I'm just saying that the help given citing "the game" isn't all bullshit, it has some value to it.

The name calling in this thread is unbelievable. To the critics: it is possible to read a book, learn what you can from it and apply your own morals and principles to what you have learned. The central theme in the book is to assert your own self-worth, and to be unafraid of engaging other people, men and women alike. I have no interest in 'sarging', or the club scene, or sex without mutual respect, but I do have an interest in meeting more people and opening up to them.
To dismiss this book as pure shit -- and those who have found value in it as desperate scumbags -- is rude and unhelpful. Disparage and berate whoever you want, but don't call it helpful and don't do it in this forum.
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Regarding and treating women as objects is degrading. The central premise of "the game" is that women are objects and that they are easily tricked into putting out via certain manipulative techniques. This is my problem with it, and this is why it's creepy.
I have no problem with people learning how to be confident and how to approach women, but "the game" is not marketed as a tool for increasing confidence and learning how to talk to women, it's marketed as a technique for getting as much pussy as is humanly possible. Humans aren't objects. They are individuals with thier own desires, interests, needs and motivations and treating them like machinery that just needs to have the right buttons pushed in the right sequence is demeaning.
That said, I'll repeat that there is nothing wrong with being extremely promiscuous, but it should be practiced in a way respectful of the feelings of each partner. Try reading The Ethical Slut.
One final point: "the game" also exploits insecure men that are looking for ways to boost thier confidence and interpersonal skills, manipulating them into buying all kinds of "products." It's the lowest kind of marketing sham that preys on the alienation and loneliness of real people.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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again, NiamhNyx, regardless of how "the game" is marketed, that does not rule out the fact that the OP can gain valuable information on how to gain self confidence using material generated by that subculture.
Your opinion on the matter (morally) is 100% correct, and i agree with it. But that doesn't negate the fact that it can help our friend in need
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: memes]
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Sure, someone could cull helpful tips out of it if they filter through the crap floating on top. But chances are, someone who doesn't have a clue (I am not refering to the OP) could also very well be negatively influenced by the parts that you or I might immediately ignore. So isn't it better to find a source of information on confidence building and tips for how to approach women from some more reputable source? I'm sure that kind of thing is out there.
Also, I think it's important, if something like "the game" is going to be recommended to someone seeking advice, for the problems with it to be pointed out to him so he has all the tools to assess it on his own.
So is there possibly helpful information? Sure. Is it possibly helpful for a woman to point out why a lot of women wouldn't like to be approached like that/treated that way? Absolutely.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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I'm glad we've reached a common ground here, I know i feel better :-D
I'm passionate about the subject becuase I've read the game, and another book on the similar subject "magic bullets" and have gained a lot of insight from them.
I have not set foot in a club, ever. And only enter bars when my band's playing at one. However, since i read them and applied some of the information in there, i went from being written off as "friend" material to girls - to being desired by many of them. I can think of 5 girls right now (3 of which are friends) that want to ride me, but none of them will get it, hahahaha.
I dunno why, but my standards are very high for the minimal amount of poontang that i get
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Regarding and treating women as objects is degrading. The central premise of "the game" is that women are objects and that they are easily tricked into putting out via certain manipulative techniques. This is my problem with it, and this is why it's creepy.
Having a problem with a book's perceived 'message' is one thing, cutting down people who have found value in it is quite another.
I did not interpret objectification of women as a prerequisite for using any of the strategies described in the book. The message I remember is to have conversations with women. Engage them as people, as equals; appeal to their interests and be genuine while you do it. Surely there are disrespectful goons who have read the book too. Don't fault others for the way some people behave. Anybody who has an ethical issue with a particular technique or attitude doesn't have to employ that technique or adopt that attitude.
But that is irrelevant. How can somebody's disrespectful attitude 'degrade' another person? OrgoneConclusion outlined this erroneous perception in the "X is Depressing" thread so I won't go into it here.
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One final point: "the game" also exploits insecure men that are looking for ways to boost thier confidence and interpersonal skills, manipulating them into buying all kinds of "products." It's the lowest kind of marketing sham that preys on the alienation and loneliness of real people.
Caveat emptor. It's a product like anything else. These days almost all products are marketed by preying on people's insecurities. Look at the beauty industry. These products make billions as a result of women's fears, and how many of them provide a lasting, helpful improvement to a person's life? How many times have you heard a friend say "Olay Regenerist turned my life around." Anybody who takes responsibility for him or herself need not worry about being manipulated by marketing.
It should be noted that The Game and its ilk have helped many people get over their irrational fear of socialization. The only thing that boosts confidence is experience, and a few pointers give a lot of men that boost they need to start engaging women. Maybe that guy you've been flirting with would have already talked to you had he read The Game. Would you suddenly disqualify him from being a respectable human being if you found out he had?
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WhiskeyClone said: Maybe that guy you've been flirting with would have already talked to you had he read The Game. Would you suddenly disqualify him from being a respectable human being if you found out he had?
Tricky turnaround. Very good point.
I've always been referred to by my female peers as "the greatest guy, best person ever" blah blah kind of things. As far from a scumbag as you can possibly get. But i've taken loads from those (and similar) books. It's all about how you apply the learned information
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: memes]
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"the game" (i hate writing this it sounds so cliche and stupid) is also for guys that aren't necessarily Brad Pitts.
How is an insecure guy, that has below-average looks supposed to get a girl that he wants based on his personality, if it is eroding in low-self esteem?
That's a toughy ain't it? So what should he do? Should he have faith that the girl actualy is interested in him? Come on now... it's a cold world outside, once you get in it's warm, but how do you open thes doors if you don't have any keys? You gotta learn 'em. Learn some basic principles so he doesn't make himself look like a scared little boy (who he naturaly might be at the time) and increae his chances of wooing the girl he wants.
Ti's the way it is, and girls can follow similar principles and get a guy too. I've been seduced before.. by a girl that I did not find attractive atall. She pulled it off very well!
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: Ginseng1]
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One of the big beefs I have with the game and the people who are thinking a girl will solve their problems is the fact they are completely avoiding the issue that has brought them into this mess.
That being that they don't love themselves.
You can pour your heart and soul into fucking chicks day in and day out and work on your game to improve your self-confidence around the ladies. At the end of the day though when all that is set aside, you're still the same mess you were to begin with. Without the sex, pseudo-confidence, you are still an insecure wreck.
My philosophy for picking up chicks is to love yourself and to love life. When you are at peace with yourself, everything will fall into place. I think most women can see into the fact that it is not them that you love, but merely their company. This is why "nice" guys have so many problems, they will settle for any woman, and who wants to be in a relationship with a man that doesn't have sincere feelings for her? She knows deep down that he would probably settle for any woman willing to give him the time of day.
To the op. I remember being 16 and hearing about all of my friends losing their v-card and it just made me more and more anxious as time went on. But, after losing my virginity at 17, I remember coming home and thinking that I should be the happiest motherfucker in the world, but I just felt seminally happy, it wasn't a big deal. I was still the same person I was before, nothing inside me had changed.
My advice to you is to focus on being happy right now, not losing your virginity. You could die a virgin, but many people will die blind or def. Are you going to let your imperfections hold you back from enjoying life?
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: appleorange]
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I couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for taking that one on, appleorange!
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: appleorange]
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appleorange said: One of the big beefs I have with the game and the people who are thinking a girl will solve their problems is the fact they are completely avoiding the issue that has brought them into this mess.
That being that they don't love themselves.
You can pour your heart and soul into fucking chicks day in and day out and working on your game to improve your self-confidence around the ladies. At the end of the day though when all that is set aside, you're still the same mess you were to begin with. Without the sex, pseudo-confidence, you are still an insecure wreck.
My philosophy for picking up chicks is to love yourself and to love life. When you are at peace with yourself, everything will fall into place. I think most women can see into the fact that it is not them that you love, but merely their company. This is why "nice" guys have so many problems, they will settle for any woman, and who wants to be in a relationship with a man that doesn't have sincere feelings for her? She knows deep down that he would probably settle for any woman willing to give him the time of day.
To the op. I remember being 16 and hearing about all of my friends losing their v-card and it just made me more and more anxious as time went on. But, after losing my virginity at 17, I remember coming home and thinking that I should be the happiest motherfucker in the world, but I just felt seminally happy, it wasn't a big deal. I was still the same person I was before, nothing inside me had changed.
My advice to you is to focus on being happy right now, not losing your virginity. You could die a virgin, but many people will die blind or def. Are you going to let your imperfections hold you back from enjoying life?
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I agree 100%.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: appleorange]
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Spot on
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Yea Maybe if I stop trying so hard it will just happen. That is what I hope anyways. Saturday I am hanging out with this neighbor girl who is fly.
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Maybe focus on her, instead of sex with her.
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Maybe focus on her, instead of sex with her.
Psch I'm not gay dude. 
I've known her since the beginning of this year so I mean we have gotten to know each other. Time to step it up is what I'm sayin.
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So focusing on her makes you... gay? 
Well yeah but anyways, the amount of time you spent with her is not that important as the nature of your relationship. For instance, she could consider you just a friend so it's very important how you behave around her.
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Ever heard of a joke?
And if she just considers me as a friend...well I have no need for friends AT ALL. So forget her.
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Scratch that part about me not needing friends that was pretty damn selfish.
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That kind of attitude also reinforces women's tendency to be defensive and distrustful of men that seem to be needy. So just chill. If you can't be just friends with women, it's gonna be a lot harder for you to find women to date or have sex with. Being friends with women might be really good for you, because it would give you an opportunity to learn how to behave around them, ask them for advice on these issues, and just generally get comfortable with being in thier company.
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Re: Hopeless Virgin... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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NiamhNyx said: That kind of attitude also reinforces women's tendency to be defensive and distrustful of men that seem to be needy. So just chill. If you can't be just friends with women, it's gonna be a lot harder for you to find women to date or have sex with. Being friends with women might be really good for you, because it would give you an opportunity to learn how to behave around them, ask them for advice on these issues, and just generally get comfortable with being in thier company.
My previous comment wass about friends in general...not just women. But I realized that was a pretty shitty statement and as I cannot edit anonymous posts I made the post after it.
Yea a female friend could do me well. If shit blossoms, it blossoms.
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Exactly. That's the kind of attitude that'll do you good.
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Women are wearing the boots now.
Long gone are the days of the submissive woman (in the western world).
Women hold all the aces (pussy) men just have to play there games to get a look.
Thats how it is. Either play games, get whores, hold out for a decent chick or remain celibate.
Theres always an easy lay in every place, if you don't mind stooping low. Get down a bar, they are pretty easy to spot.
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Women hold all the aces (pussy) men just have to play there games to get a look.
You don't think there are other reasons to want to be with a woman?
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In reality I do certainly!
I was talking in the context of this thread though (virginity).
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Coaster
BaĘżal



Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
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i lost my virginity with some chick i never tried to get with i just made friends with her and never looked at her as a gf then as we got to no each other more and more she fell in love i think the best way to get a girl is to become friends with her first first see her as a friend, not some poon tang, then u can hook up
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