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InvisibleRebelSteve33
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Language Skill and Intelligence
    #800721 - 08/06/02 07:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I try to be as unbiased and nonjudgemental as I can, but sometimes when I see a post on here that is completely lacking in grammar, puncuation and spelling skills; I can't help but think "This person is STUPID!!!" It's really hard for me to give the time of day to a poster who does not seem to understand the usage of commas or periods, or who doesn't even know the difference between things like to and too, their and there, or which and witch.

I'm not talking about silly little mistakes or typos here. I'm talking about repeated and blatant mistakes that anybody who has passed the 8th grade should know not to make. I'm not saying that I am perfect or that we need be perfect on things like internet message boards, but I really do think that a person's command of language reflects a lot on their level of intelligence.

Because of this, I find it difficult to give even a second thought to what someone who has no language skill whatsoever might post on these boards; especially in this forum.

Does anyone else have similar feelings on this subject?


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #800739 - 08/06/02 07:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Well usually I rely on my intuition to follow some of the worst-written posts, but if that fails I just don't read it.


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #800776 - 08/06/02 07:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

NEVER judge a book by its cover. Never judge anyone for that matter. Regardless of how a person speaks, or even how a person types. People CAN suprise you.
I admit, its hard to read a badly written post. I know this because i write them myself. But they say admitting your problem is the first step.

Einsteins teachers thought he had "down sydrome" (retarded). Especially in mathematics. Though, he turned out to be...well Einstein man! Einstein compiled some of the most brilliant notes and even came up with E = mc2.


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    #800799 - 08/06/02 07:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: Draig]
    #800888 - 08/06/02 08:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This post should be in OTD. I understand where you are coming from on this one, but you should really not judge others on their grammar etc. It all comes down to ones ideas and what they are trying to express, besides what does grammar or punctuation really have to do with anything, both are just silly things that humans created. Dont be too picky
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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #800906 - 08/06/02 08:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Do not confuse intelligence and wisdom


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #800970 - 08/06/02 09:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

choo kallin mee stoopid or sometin? kwit being a dick.. jus cuz i dont have the bestest punkswayshun or gramar dozent meen im not enlitend!! covers of boooks shudent be jugdged


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: Sclorch]
    #800985 - 08/06/02 09:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I recently found the ultimate truth regarding this subject. I don't give a shit. The information that is passed along here is just that...Information. I dont use proper spelling, and punctuation when I speak, but the same stuff gets across completely. I might be speaking out of my ass, but I used to care about this type of stuff, however, every day that passes I care less and less.


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: thePatient]
    #801006 - 08/06/02 10:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I don't feel that making this sort of judgement is merely "judging a book by it's cover" though. I really feel that a person's ability to clearly convey their thoughts through written words is a clear indication of their intelligence.

I'm not saying that if a person misspells a few words, I am not going to talk to them. But if I can't decipher what the hell a person is trying to say because they have no language skill whatsoever, I tend to conclude that they don't have much intelligence.

I'm not trying to be arrogant here or say that I am better than anyone else... I'm just saying that I think there's a big correlation between a person's command of language and their IQ.



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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #801112 - 08/06/02 10:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

would somebody plese learn me an edumacation?


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #801182 - 08/07/02 12:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

hmmm....
I've learned as much from those 'not-as-smart' than those 'smart'...
Most favoritely (sp), 'smart'asses.....
Ever hang with a retard?

if anything, intellect can serve to bind us...
assuredness in 'understanding' or of 'accumulated knowledge' can make it more difficult to flow dynamicly; like everything else seems to.

Sounds like an issue of conditioning...
You've been told from educators that intellectual strength (really approval) is merited from understanding their, there, and they're.

Ever hang with kids?
Yeah...if youthink you're caranium's cranked hard, and yer synapses blazing, chill with some toddlers and be humbled...
I've noticed a corelation between speedy thought and lack' o baggage...
Explicitly though, there's more to this thinkin' thang than conditioned knowledge of and adherence to rules.

I tease people about grammar as a joke...
I'm a FIRM beliver, that if my Grammer was proper, my grandPa wouldn't have gotten his dinky stinky, and ultimately i wouldn't be here wasteing a valuable rant on somebody who may very well PMP me an edited version of this post with big red circles (just teasing...i understand you are O/C about the issue or anything;)

Where's this shit come from....

have fun out there!

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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #801288 - 08/07/02 02:24 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I write and speak in 3 different languages and it doesn't make me more intelligent than anybody else, the drawback is that you have to get used to the grammar everytime you try to write/speak, writing and thinking in english is difficult to some of us, because for most it's not our native language. I don't think there's a direct relation between intelligence and linguistic, i mean, the skill to express your thoughts is not representative of the "quality" of your thoughts (intelligence), at least i don't classify people here that way. Anyway, i try to correct myself everytime i make an error, i've improved my english since i got here, guess i own you all a big thanks !!!

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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #801296 - 08/07/02 02:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think you are arrogant but my opinion is that if you can't see the message because of the messenger, then you are to easily distracted (unless the message is not decipherable, but you are talking about people who don't know the difference between to and too, which is hardly impossible to decipher).

Maybe I just say that because often times my spelling is aweful!


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #801393 - 08/07/02 04:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I do not necessarily jump to the conclusion that the person might not have something important to say but I have found a correlation between facility with language and the profundity of a post.

Some may call that judgemental, I call it observation.

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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: ]
    #801731 - 08/07/02 08:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think everyone needs to take into account that for some people, they may have excellent grammar but horrible typing skills. I am one of these people. I type my posts at about 10-15 words a minute. Then I go back and correct any typing errors I make. any other grammar errors are the result of not giving a fuck. I am not getting graded on my posts. A spelling error will not hurt my GPA. If you are so ignorant that you associate missing commas with lack of intelligence, you need to re-evaluate your life. Some of the stupidest people I've ever met had huge vocabularies and excellent grammar. And they use it to show how stupid they actually are.

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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #801785 - 08/07/02 08:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I understand what you mean, but keep in mind that very bad typing is not a reliable indicator of intelligence. A buddy of mine has cerebral palsy and he types barely decipherable gibberish because he can only use one hand and he has poor motor control. It could also be that some people just don't rate grammar and spelling online as a high priority. Their message gets across most of the time, so why should they care? As Mr Mushrooms said, there is a noticable correlation between the grammar standards of a post and the post's intellectual merit, but that does not mean that people who don't have good grammar have nothing intelligent to say. Ignore them if you want, but you'll miss a lot. Having said that I do skip posts that have poor grammatical structure just because it's too damn hard on the eyes and mind to read a post with no capitals or punctuation. But it don't mean they're dumb. I post lots of dumb things but I always spell them right.


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #802226 - 08/07/02 12:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You captured the meaning I was trying to explain.

Thank you.


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: ]
    #802836 - 08/07/02 05:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a member at Outkast.com and once upon a time I mentioned something similar to this thread. It wasn't a pretty site after mentioning my ideas that good grammer=intelligence.


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: Phenix]
    #802918 - 08/07/02 05:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It could also be that some people just don't rate grammar and spelling online as a high priority.

Yes


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Re: Language Skill and Intelligence [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #802991 - 08/07/02 06:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Fauk that... how does the way you spell, grammar and all that other stupid english writing bs have anything to do with inteligence? First off we are taught this. Does this mean we always have to follow it? You can easily understand someones post no matter how bad its misspelled can't you? Just because someone didn't pick up something back in elementary school it does not make them stupid. Not everyone conforms to shit like this.


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