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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Phred]
    #8011053 - 02/11/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Phred said:
What part of

"As for his campaign promises, it's easy enough to say you'll do this or that and that you won't do that or this. But one's voting record is more than just a promise, one's voting record is evidence. And the evidence shows that given the opportunity, Obama will have America to the left of Sweden in no time flat."

did I fail to make clear?




It sounds like America wants Obama to lead us in this direction, although it certainly won't be such an extreme transition as your propose. You haven't elaborated in the slightest as to why the direction Obama would take this country is in any way undesireable. Would you care to do so?

Also, with his Blueprint for Change, there is included a view of his record on each issue, from his accomplishments in the Senate, in Illininois, and as a civil rights lawyer. There does seem to be good evidence that the change he proposes is the change he will seek.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8012420 - 02/12/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No one interested in discussing this? I can post more stances from the Blueprint, but its easier to just click it and read it, 'cause it takes time to format it in here...

I think the direction he is seeking to take the country in is pretty insightful and interesting. Not a bad course by the looks of it.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8012959 - 02/12/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No need to discuss it much. It's the standard pinko government-as-the-font-of-all-wonderfulness spiel, with the added benefit that he'll never have to deliver on most of it because most of it is beyond the power of the Executive branch of the US government to implement anyway.

With the exception of earmarks, just take whatever Ron Paul's position on an issue was, reverse it exactly 180 degrees and you arrive at Obama's position.




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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8013383 - 02/12/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Its simple. America isn't ready for the direction Ron Paul would take the country in. If it was, then he would have stood more of a chance than he did. An older friend from work suggested I got on Obama's website and check out some of the ideas he stands for, which he knew I would be intrigued by, from our discussions about Ron Paul and what was interesting about him.




Bollocks. If america was not ready for Ron Paul, you're saying america is not ready for the constitution. If the american people were not ready for Ron Paul, why did so many people give him so much money? Enough to break records multiple times?

Obama, Clinton and McCain are all puppets. Not that your votes will count for anything. The world knows what America doesn't want to admit: Vote rigging is public, and endemic. There is no quick fix, even if Ron Paul had got in power, it wouldn't have been the end of tyranny.

It's a shame. I have always been keen on America standing for the things it's supposed to stand for in the constitution and bill of rights. But America is as corrupt as the rest of the world, and when it collapses, it's going to lash out and drag everyone else down with it.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8013789 - 02/12/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I bought Obama's book today called 'The Audacity of Hope - Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream'. Can't wait to get stuck into it man. This guy is gonna be an awesome president!

Obama 08


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: bradmassive]
    #8013933 - 02/12/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He is not going to be President, thankfully.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8014106 - 02/12/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

have you placed any money on this yet?


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8014130 - 02/12/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No. I'm not sure I will here either. Some fuckers owe me for Ron Paul and they aren't chirping up. They know who they are. I think one is fireworks_god. When I get around to it I'm going to see if I can find the thread.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8014170 - 02/12/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8014195 - 02/12/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks. It seems the Cow didn't stand up so it's just f_g.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8014390 - 02/12/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Visionary Tools said:
Quote:

Its simple. America isn't ready for the direction Ron Paul would take the country in. If it was, then he would have stood more of a chance than he did. An older friend from work suggested I got on Obama's website and check out some of the ideas he stands for, which he knew I would be intrigued by, from our discussions about Ron Paul and what was interesting about him.




Bollocks. If america was not ready for Ron Paul, you're saying america is not ready for the constitution. If the american people were not ready for Ron Paul, why did so many people give him so much money? Enough to break records multiple times?

Obama, Clinton and McCain are all puppets. Not that your votes will count for anything. The world knows what America doesn't want to admit: Vote rigging is public, and endemic. There is no quick fix, even if Ron Paul had got in power, it wouldn't have been the end of tyranny.

It's a shame. I have always been keen on America standing for the things it's supposed to stand for in the constitution and bill of rights. But America is as corrupt as the rest of the world, and when it collapses, it's going to lash out and drag everyone else down with it.




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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Redstorm]
    #8015156 - 02/12/08 09:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, the collapse of an empire is a funny thing.

People starving and queueing up in breadlines is funny.

You wanna laugh out loud? Do that in the camps the government has made for you!

You want to laugh? Go to the churches where the priests will tell you to give up your guns and submit to the government, submit to vaccinations. Submit to tyranny.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8015442 - 02/12/08 10:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, you *are* crazy.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8015698 - 02/12/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nonsense, you never confirmed that bet. I said I'd take it, but we never made it. The only person I made a bet with is willshire, and that bet is not over yet.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Phred]
    #8016070 - 02/13/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Phred said:
No need to discuss it much. It's the standard pinko government-as-the-font-of-all-wonderfulness spiel




No, this is dishonest discussion. I've already called you on attempting to argue agansit Obama with the fallacy of some loaded label. Place something more substansial on the table agansit an Obama Presidency so we can actually know why you object to it, on an ideaological level. What do you have agansit who the guy is and his platform?

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, with the added benefit that he'll never have to deliver on most of it because most of it is beyond the power of the Executive branch of the US government to implement anyway.




In his time in the Senate and as a politican in Illinois, he's accomplished a lot of his tasks he's put forward, and I think it is probably pretty certain that both the Senate and the House will be controlled by the Democrats, who feel inspired by someone like Obama. I think the prominence of Republican candidates like McCain, Romney, and Huckabee demonstrate that a lot of Republicans are more than ready to cozy up to the Democrats. I think he'll be able to accomplish a lot of his goals.

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With the exception of earmarks, just take whatever Ron Paul's position on an issue was, reverse it exactly 180 degrees and you arrive at Obama's position.




No, I have already refuted this, referring to specific issues.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8016205 - 02/13/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Bollocks. If america was not ready for Ron Paul, you're saying america is not ready for the constitution. If the american people were not ready for Ron Paul, why did so many people give him so much money? Enough to break records multiple times?




Possibly 200,000 people gave Ron Paul donations, myself included. That is one Ron Paul supporter for over every million Americans. If America had been ready for Ron Paul, then he would be on the fast-track to the Republican nomination, but John McCain is. As it has been Americans choosing this course for these candidates, it seems pretty evident that, who they pick, is who they are ready for.

The Democrats receive like four times the amounts of votes that Republicans do in the primaries and caucuses. This pretty clearly shows how things will turn out.

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Obama, Clinton and McCain are all puppets.




Why, have you seen someone's hand up their ass? :smirk:

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Not that your votes will count for anything. The world knows what America doesn't want to admit: Vote rigging is public, and endemic. There is no quick fix, even if Ron Paul had got in power, it wouldn't have been the end of tyranny.




No, Americans actually come out and vote. I was working on a project once to buy voting records from South Carolina for calling for Ron Paul. These people actually exist, you can go call them up and ask them if you want. :smirk: 

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But America is as corrupt as the rest of the world, and when it collapses, it's going to lash out and drag everyone else down with it.




Corrupt? Obama's measures would lessen the incentive for corruption by making the government more transparent. Scroll up and read his stance on ethics.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8016244 - 02/13/08 02:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Nonsense, you never confirmed that bet. I said I'd take it, but we never made it. The only person I made a bet with is willshire, and that bet is not over yet.




Whats up with people trying to weasel their way out of bets on this site? You "made" the bet no matter which way you try to cut it, now it's time to be a man and pay up.




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Oddly enough, not one of these people is willing to take up my offer of $100 for their $1 if Paul gets nominated.  Fucking blowholes if you ask me.




I'll bet you $10 that Ron Paul gets nominated for the presidency in the primary election. :smile:




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I'm hoping that he honors my wager, but realizes that he should quickly close off the possibility of any new bets. :smirk: The bets will snowball at the pace of Ron Paul's campaign, and I don't want him to default on my bet because he owes all of you fuckers money too. :razz:




It sounds to me like you would have expected him to pay had Ron Paul got the nomination.

You remind me of this kid from years back in junior highschool who tried to weasel his way out of a bet with me because "we didn't shake on it". :lol:


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #8016278 - 02/13/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Whats up with people trying to weasel their way out of bets on this site? You "made" the bet no matter which way you try to cut it, now it's time to be a man and pay up.




Who knows if he was serious or not? There is no confirmation, and with a bet that he could stand to lose a thousand dollars, there is need for confirmation, or else he could certainly claim to have never seen my reply and didn't actually make the bet.

I made a similar bet with willshire and I acknowledge that bet. Why? Because it was confirmed. I'm not going to pay someone that could have been joking with a bet like that when they never step forward, and at least acknowledged then that the bet was made. I fully intend to fufill my bet with willshire when the nomination is actually made, but I have no interest in sending zappaisgod $10 because the bet was never made.


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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8016364 - 02/13/08 05:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, the collapse of an empire is a funny thing.

People starving and queueing up in breadlines is funny.

You wanna laugh out loud? Do that in the camps the government has made for you!

You want to laugh? Go to the churches where the priests will tell you to give up your guns and submit to the government, submit to vaccinations. Submit to tyranny.




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Re: The Blueprint For Change [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8016413 - 02/13/08 06:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Barack Obama’s Plan for a Healthy America

Millions Of Americans are Uninsured or Underinsured because of Rising Medical Costs





The reason costs are skyrocketing is because old diseased people are afraid of death and will do anything to stay alive at whatever cost. Dying people are living for years and no one can digest their bills. This is the problem of big spending in health care, and I didn't read anything about his plan to address that one.

I'm wary of Obama, as much so as the other 2 big candidates (Hillary, McCain). I really liked Ron Paul's money policy and idea for a much smaller government (which would fix our health care problem). Obama sounds like a sell out to me, and he's playing his cards right.

All the minorities at my work are voting for him without even knowing his policies. And anyway, his written policies on the internet, and what he actually does are two different things. I think I'll put my energy and thoughts into science and technology.

Where is Frank Zappa when you need him?

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