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Seraph in Blue
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Cartoon land? Or BS?
#8007097 - 02/10/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I had an argument with a friend tonight over his description of a mushroom trip and its legitimacy. I called bullshit because he described being in a cartoon land and everything around him looking exactly like a cartoon drawing. Now I know everyone has different experiences, but it's true that these psychedelics have characteristic effects on most people that cannot be disputed. The amount of experience I have under my belt with mushrooms coupled with the number of people I've talked to about them leads me to believe that his cartoon land experience is bullshit.
I've had some very very intense, indescribeable trips and although with LSD and RC's there does tend to be some fleeting cartoony visuals, they never really are in 2D or actually cartoon like at all.
So what do you all think? BS? Has anyone else been in a very decidedly cartoon-ish land during a mushroom trip? To me, this description is unfair because when I'm in my "shroomiverse" it's much more beautiful and almost 4-D, not some 2-d cartoon land, and people ignorant of mushrooms will often believe that this is what a trip is like.
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Why would you tell anyone their mushroom experience was "bullshit" based on the content of your own experience? Every brain is a unique creature. Every person experiences EVERYTHING, however commonly, wildly different from every other human being. Perhaps you felt he was exaggerating, fine, but I wouldn't be so quick to say that someone's interpretation of such an overwhelming experience would be "bullshit." We all perceive and interpret things in our own way.
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I think its very much open to that person's interpretation. I have never visually experienced cartoon land when tripping, but mentally and physically I have:
I was coming up on a dose, and started running with my friend down a hiking trail. We started jumping over logs and rocks as we were running, and it felt distinctly like a level in mario brothers. So while I didn't literally see video game art or anything, it was still pretty amazing.
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not bs at all
iv been there
on LSD mind you. but i was there. it was like waking life very much. tho at the time i was so scatter brained i could not even remember what that movie was.
i also thought i had left the planet somehow. or that i had come to some intersteller vibration cerimony wich i guess in retrospect was kinda true
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: notapillow]
#8007154 - 02/10/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ive been in a cartoon land, but it was closed eye and from weed. it was super vivid. no joke, i thought closed eye visuals from weed was made up until this happened. i had cartoonish parts of an open eye lsd trip; i can see how it could happen
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: daft crunk]
#8007175 - 02/10/08 11:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ah that reminds me of a time I smoked hash at a bar in Spain. I was staring at this grafitti on the walls, and slowly saw it form into various looney toons characters. Thats never happened again though.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: daft crunk]
#8007177 - 02/10/08 11:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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my last acid trip was very cartoon like in ways.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: clover606]
#8007231 - 02/11/08 12:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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cartoon land type trips are common i have been there and written about it from salvia several times, certainly possible with weed and with acid/shrooms.
checking the legitimacy of the guy's trip seems a bit small-town-ish, like the village mentality that leads to witch detection. maybe you are already there but don't know it!
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Seraph in Blue said: I had an argument with a friend tonight over his description of a mushroom trip and its legitimacy. I called bullshit because he described being in a cartoon land and everything around him looking exactly like a cartoon drawing. Now I know everyone has different experiences, but it's true that these psychedelics have characteristic effects on most people that cannot be disputed. The amount of experience I have under my belt with mushrooms coupled with the number of people I've talked to about them leads me to believe that his cartoon land experience is bullshit.
I've had some very very intense, indescribeable trips and although with LSD and RC's there does tend to be some fleeting cartoony visuals, they never really are in 2D or actually cartoon like at all.
So what do you all think? BS? Has anyone else been in a very decidedly cartoon-ish land during a mushroom trip? To me, this description is unfair because when I'm in my "shroomiverse" it's much more beautiful and almost 4-D, not some 2-d cartoon land, and people ignorant of mushrooms will often believe that this is what a trip is like.
not BS. i get cartoony effects from the mushrooms sometimes, even from weed when i first got really high.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
#8007250 - 02/11/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pong, I really like the photo in your sig.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
#8007259 - 02/11/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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just keep in mind its impossible to fully communicate anything to anyone. so its impossible to completely understand someone. especially trying to describe an experience. words are just symbols.
except for those rare telepathic experiences of "understanding."
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The last time I shroomed,my girlfriend and I were at a party with a bunch of people. She,at one point saw peoples faces as skulls. I have heard of others seeing skulls also, but I personally have never seen them myyself. So dont dis-believe your friend, just because it never happened to you.
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yeah, i love that pic too. i dont know but it just makes me happy. guess where its taken!!
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
#8007294 - 02/11/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol thats just wonderful if you eat amanita and prepare them right you can lol
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
#8007300 - 02/11/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call BS. I've had some pretty hard trips, and never seen elves jumping out of the TV or anything, but on a mild night, I was laying in my bed while a color changing lamp was changing the colors of my room. I started laughing because I realized my mind had been of on a very cartoonish experience. The color of redish/orange appeared and I thought I was running down a road with other toons in a cartoon setting. It was a total mind trip. I've seen enough hardcore visuals to agree that someone could easily be submersed in a total cartoonish experience.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: Why would you tell anyone their mushroom experience was "bullshit" based on the content of your own experience? Every brain is a unique creature. Every person experiences EVERYTHING, however commonly, wildly different from every other human being. Perhaps you felt he was exaggerating, fine, but I wouldn't be so quick to say that someone's interpretation of such an overwhelming experience would be "bullshit." We all perceive and interpret things in our own way.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Cubie]
#8007327 - 02/11/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LA? Santa Cruz? The water looks way too blue for the west coast, but it also looks like the colors have been adjusted.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
#8007337 - 02/11/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The biggest reason as to why I called his BS is because he is one of my oldest and I guess closest friends and I know him for commonly exaggerating or making up extravagant lies in order to seem more interesting or whatnot.
People like Leary, Hoffman, and Shulgin always talk about signatures or fingerprints of each psychedelic drug and how everyone experiences at least the basic structural components of a compound the same way. If the most you've gotten out of a psychedelic experience was cartoony visuals or being transported to cartoonland, I'd have to say you're lying.
I always have cartoony visuals within my kaleidescopic visuals or sometimes in clowd formations, but they are much more detailed and always in at least 3 dimensions.
What I'm saying is, EVERY time I trip on one particular substance, the trip always has those same distinguishing features to it and that same basic feeling to it to distinguish say a mushroom trip vs a 2C-I trip vs an LSD trip.
I guess it's just hard to convey just how much like bullshit this sounded to me. Inflection, the fact that he's known for lying, and the fact that all he talked about was "driving around a cartoon land" when he tripped on mushrooms.
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Every time I take LSD or shrooms, I seem to be in Wonderland (if its LSD) or a Dr. Seuss book (if it's shrooms).
So I don't think his cartoonland is bullshit at all.
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Lol i went to wonderland on LSD, Cactus another time, another time just pot and booze. i deffinatly like wonderland and will most likely have some maigic tea there. wink wink for the few who know what im talking about if your not them then you should find wonderland i guess. but yeah on a totally differnt note tea took me to a place that was like evil candyland then i went to a party that had that vibe or really i was at a festival that i went there in person camped on candy cane lane but once there i realized how much i loved the damn place. its funny how i find myself going physically to places i went to on a trip obe
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: creekfreek]
#8007439 - 02/11/08 01:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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creekfreek said: The last time I shroomed,my girlfriend and I were at a party with a bunch of people. She,at one point saw peoples faces as skulls. I have heard of others seeing skulls also, but I personally have never seen them myyself. So dont dis-believe your friend, just because it never happened to you.
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I don't think any of you are fully understanding what I'm saying. I have alot of tripping experience and of course there are visuals involving peoples faces and fantastical unrealistic environments (inclusing the skulls example), but visualizing and BELIEVEING you are in some kind of 2-d land is bullshit. Of all my experiences this just seems to be so limited and impossible, and frankly idiotic and I think he was just bs-ing to sound "cool".
When I tried to tell him that that's not what a mushroom trip is like, that you don't just see flying pink elephants and you don't hold conversations with smurts that you think are there he got defensive, but it's OBVIOUSLY bullshit.
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redgreenvines said: cartoon land type trips are common i have been there and written about it from salvia several times, certainly possible with weed and with acid/shrooms.
checking the legitimacy of the guy's trip seems a bit small-town-ish, like the village mentality that leads to witch detection. maybe you are already there but don't know it!
Don't even try to tell me that cartoon trips are "common". I probably have had over 100 psychedelic experiences over a span of dozens of substances, including your Salvia, I've read literature from Leary to Shulgin, McKenna to Strassman and more and this in no way seems to be common.
I can understand cartoony visuals from time to time, or the image of a character from tv appearing out if it's tv encapsulation, on a wall and suh, but being immersed in a cartoon land and BELIEVEING you are in it is a different story and completely uncommon.
I am very open-minded but Its good to be skeptical from time to time, don't you think? Don't you ever accuse me of having a small-town mentality. I live and grew up in one of the most liberal cities in the country and among the five largest as well. Definitely the most diverse, so I can tell you I'm open to believeing pretty much anything, as long as it's rational and credible.
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Both sides of the argument are easily reconciled. We use the language available to us to explain situations that test the limits of what we can describe.
Cartoon land happens on some trips. It's way more complicated than that, but is really hard to describe. I wonder which language is best to describe these sorts of experiences. I think English has typically been used to describe most psychedelic experiences, but I imagine Dutch and other languages have been used often too.
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lol just cus its cartoon doesnt mean its 2D.
and yes they are common, i have had many people describe such things to me. even from weed. just cus uve tripped 100s of times and are still so closed minded makes me wonder if you are even telling the truth at all.
btw not all things are rational, logic will not explain to you why somebody might see everything in the way that they do.
just as logic cannot describe my loathing for people who reference how many times thay have tripped, thats like some 60 year old telling some 13 year old boy that his oppinion on girls is wrong just cus he hasnt fucked hundreds of them .... yet.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
#8007748 - 02/11/08 06:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think he just really hates this guy and doesn't want to believe him. So he's grasping on to his stance pretty hard.
Why do you hate him so much and why is he your friend?
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Sometimes when I am smoking weed I feel like in 3d game:) Not video and colors .... I am talking about reality:)
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you are probably what is called a hard head this is unfortunate it means you need more drugs and never get as much effect as a soft head. it also means you cannot conceive of things that you have been "denied" by your hard headedness. I wish things were different for you. All I can do is suggest you relax more, there might be too much fight in you to permit more subtle experiences.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: PyroBurns]
#8008429 - 02/11/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: I think he just really hates this guy and doesn't want to believe him. So he's grasping on to his stance pretty hard.
Why do you hate him so much and why is he your friend?
I don't hate him, but I do KNOW that he is very full of shit almost all of the time.
I also think that if all you can describe from your intense experience with mushrooms is "I was in cartoony-land and I talked to a smurf" that either your vocabulary is pretty limited, or you're simply full of shit. I know anything is possible with CEV's but he swears with was a full OEV emersion type phenomena, which is very unlikely. I say either impossible or just complete bullshit.
I've been fully immersed in trance-like states where I've traveled through other worlds or "dimensions" where time and space become meaningless and the visuals are indescribeable and extremely complex, and each psychedelic takes me to its own distinct place, over, and over again. therefore the cartoon land description strikes me as bullshit.
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monkeyheaven said: Both sides of the argument are easily reconciled. We use the language available to us to explain situations that test the limits of what we can describe.
Cartoon land happens on some trips. It's way more complicated than that, but is really hard to describe. I wonder which language is best to describe these sorts of experiences. I think English has typically been used to describe most psychedelic experiences, but I imagine Dutch and other languages have been used often too.
Exactly, when you say "it's way more complicated than that" I agree with you, but I do not agree that it is hard to describe. Most people can describe to me an intense LSD or mushroom trip to the point where I can relate with them so well that I can almost finish their sentences, then I don't even question wether or not they are telling the truth.
A person who can only tell me that they were in cartoony land, without even attempting to describe anything else is probably lying. Where's the mental aspect, confusion or epiphanies? The body load or buzz? Extension of time? Spacial inconsistencies? Synochronous patterned visuals? If you've had an intense mushroom trip, and I suspect most of you have, you could at least agree with me that these things are common. Well, he could not. All he kept repeating was that he was just in some "cartoon-land". BULLSHIT.
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redgreenvines said: you are probably what is called a hard head this is unfortunate it means you need more drugs and never get as much effect as a soft head. it also means you cannot conceive of things that you have been "denied" by your hard headedness. I wish things were different for you. All I can do is suggest you relax more, there might be too much fight in you to permit more subtle experiences.
You make no sense. First you call me a "hard head" and imply that I need more drugs to reach the same state as a "soft head", then you go on to say there may be too much fight in me to permit a more subtle experience? I hope you realize how ridiculous and contradictory that sounds.
If you're suggesting I haven't had an "intense" experience, then you're wrong, and if you're implying that a cartoony-land is an intense experience, then you're doubly wrong and perhaps limited in your perception of what a trip can be.
If you're suggesting somehow that my trips are TOO intense and a cartoony-land is just a more subtle experience that I am too "hardheaded" to allow, then again, you'er just wrong. I get visuals from even low doses on most strains or species of mushrooms which from what I hear from others' experiences is rare.
I can do alot more with psychedelics than "beginners" or first timers because I usually meditate into trance-like states, something that took me more than afew trips to learn is essential if you want to get the most out of your trip, but even if I don't and I'm in a social situation, I tend to get intense and WIDELY varied visuals, always blowing my mind in intricacy, grandeur, and beauty.
If at this point you still can't understand why I would call bullshit on my friend, or you, or anyone who just tells me that they were in "cartoon-land", then you'er as daft as I thought.
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all i have to say is i have been to multipule cartoon like lands so its questionable of which one he was in.
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having read some of your other posts elsewhere I think you are not a hard head, though your comments are "hard headed" instead I am sure you have been to cartoon land and for some reason are in denial about it. the kinds of things you have see are on the way there and on the way back. and some are beyond. maybe you blinked.
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I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description. Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.
I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend 
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redgreenvines said: cartoon land type trips are common i have been there and written about it from salvia several times, certainly possible with weed and with acid/shrooms.
checking the legitimacy of the guy's trip seems a bit small-town-ish, like the village mentality that leads to witch detection. maybe you are already there but don't know it!
DUDE, when I first started out, almost every single one of my trips turned reality into what looked like cartoonish. Everything seemed 3-D and it happened every single trip.
I'd love to know what causes it. I'm assuming it's just some really potent psilocybin that can make you see the world like that.
I miss it.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: anyone420]
#8009174 - 02/11/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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anyone420 said: I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description. Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.
I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend 
You make a good point, and I do indeed agree with the fact that you can probably best describe some scenescapes or visual immersions while on mushrooms as "cartoony". I tend to see alot of cartoon-like ducks with LSD and some RC's, but very different from his description of cartoon visuals.
Perhaps I should have mentioned that his story also recounts eating $200 worth of mushrooms, which around here is over half an ounce. And while that is entirely possible, it's unlikely since this guy can't even afford bud light (he drinks natty ice) and I can't see him stomaching that much fungal material.
Oh, and get this, he describes the mushrooms he ate as "the good ones, the ones with the purple ring around them" and that they had blue caps with white dots all over. Still not sounding like BS?
In any case, I find myself abandoning RC's and entactogens and gravitating much more towards mushrooms since I find the trips to be much cleaner feeling and more gratifying. Maybe one day when I try P. Azurescens, I may find myself fully encapsulated in a cartoon world talking to smurfs. Until then, I remain skeptical.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: future]
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As a matter of fact, those are to me by far the most enjoyable trips. Little to no thought looping and just an amazing beautiful undescribeable world to look at.
along with a little extra somethin sumthin
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: anyone420]
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I think a lot of the what people are describing when they talk about cartoonland and such is actually mostly precieved and not truly visual. You may even remember it as visual but in reality being completely transported into another world like that is extremely disorienting. You may sit around your house and things are kind of swaying and dancing and maybe even stretching and distorting and colors are more vibrant so it reminds you of doctor sues or a cartoon.
I don't want to discount the possibility completely I am just saying. I have a friend who always talks about cartoon vision when he's high but he isn't really seeing cartoons he's just imagining it that way, it isn't a truly visual experience.
It may just be hard for me to imagine that since I tend to control my trips, in the sense that when I don't want to get strong visuals I don't have to, but when I want them all I have to do is look. I can see where if you got completely caught up in a trip and let it go kind of wild then this may become truly visual.
Don't get me wrong I get visuals but I tend to agree with the OP, except that when you really let go on a strong trip I have gone some pretty crazy places, so I can't say someone couldn't end up in a cartoonish type universe.
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anyone420 said: I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description. Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.
I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend 
You make a good point, and I do indeed agree with the fact that you can probably best describe some scenescapes or visual immersions while on mushrooms as "cartoony". I tend to see alot of cartoon-like ducks with LSD and some RC's, but very different from his description of cartoon visuals.
Perhaps I should have mentioned that his story also recounts eating $200 worth of mushrooms, which around here is over half an ounce. And while that is entirely possible, it's unlikely since this guy can't even afford bud light (he drinks natty ice) and I can't see him stomaching that much fungal material.
Oh, and get this, he describes the mushrooms he ate as "the good ones, the ones with the purple ring around them" and that they had blue caps with white dots all over. Still not sounding like BS?
In any case, I find myself abandoning RC's and entactogens and gravitating much more towards mushrooms since I find the trips to be much cleaner feeling and more gratifying. Maybe one day when I try P. Azurescens, I may find myself fully encapsulated in a cartoon world talking to smurfs. Until then, I remain skeptical.
I'll sum it up for you. Your friend likes to over do it yes. However, "cartoon land" as some people are calling it, does very well exist.
It's where everything you see looks 3-D and no longer looks real but instead "cartoony colorful".
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I would say this doesnt happen to me exept on weed i guess, Actaully when i trip everything gains depth for me, but I have heard from people whom i trust that this happens to them.
I see things that most people dont, I tend to get faces on everything and not just one face repeated but different faces doing different things.
Just like OMR said every body is different every brain is a unique universe, I forgot who it was that had a signature that said "You cannot deny the experience of others".
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JstHereFrTheCake said: I think a lot of the what people are describing when they talk about cartoonland and such is actually mostly precieved and not truly visual. You may even remember it as visual but in reality being completely transported into another world like that is extremely disorienting. You may sit around your house and things are kind of swaying and dancing and maybe even stretching and distorting and colors are more vibrant so it reminds you of doctor sues or a cartoon.
I don't want to discount the possibility completely I am just saying. I have a friend who always talks about cartoon vision when he's high but he isn't really seeing cartoons he's just imagining it that way, it isn't a truly visual experience.
It may just be hard for me to imagine that since I tend to control my trips, in the sense that when I don't want to get strong visuals I don't have to, but when I want them all I have to do is look. I can see where if you got completely caught up in a trip and let it go kind of wild then this may become truly visual.
Don't get me wrong I get visuals but I tend to agree with the OP, except that when you really let go on a strong trip I have gone some pretty crazy places, so I can't say someone couldn't end up in a cartoonish type universe.
I think you've wrapped up what I was trying to say pretty nicely. It may be reminiscent of a cartoon land or it may remind you of what you've seen in cartoony artwork (since in fact so much of it is probably based on or inspired by the use of psychedelics) but it's not any kind of cartoon land in the sense that everything becomes 2-d and you can't distinguish your cartoon world from reality.
Of course, the colors do intensify, but even on mild trips for me to equate them to cartoon-like visuals would be doing psychedelics a grave injustice since the visual beauty is so much more than just a cartoon. What I think I have against this concept of the cartoon-world is that so many people who don't understand psychedelics and denigrate them may look at that cartoon land as in fact exactly what happens when you take them, completely disregarding the absolute enrichment and benefits they can provide wether they be intellectual, spiritual, or visual and artistic.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: future]
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anyone420 said: I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description. Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.
I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend 
You make a good point, and I do indeed agree with the fact that you can probably best describe some scenescapes or visual immersions while on mushrooms as "cartoony". I tend to see alot of cartoon-like ducks with LSD and some RC's, but very different from his description of cartoon visuals.
Perhaps I should have mentioned that his story also recounts eating $200 worth of mushrooms, which around here is over half an ounce. And while that is entirely possible, it's unlikely since this guy can't even afford bud light (he drinks natty ice) and I can't see him stomaching that much fungal material.
Oh, and get this, he describes the mushrooms he ate as "the good ones, the ones with the purple ring around them" and that they had blue caps with white dots all over. Still not sounding like BS?
In any case, I find myself abandoning RC's and entactogens and gravitating much more towards mushrooms since I find the trips to be much cleaner feeling and more gratifying. Maybe one day when I try P. Azurescens, I may find myself fully encapsulated in a cartoon world talking to smurfs. Until then, I remain skeptical.
I'll sum it up for you. Your friend likes to over do it yes. However, "cartoon land" as some people are calling it, does very well exist.
It's where everything you see looks 3-D and no longer looks real but instead "cartoony colorful".
I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.
Almost all of my psychedelic experiences come with strong visuals and yes, very fantastical sort of ethereal ones at that, but they look even more real than reality to me. If I see a winged pegausus and a phoenix flying across the sky, vibrating and flowing with colors (which I have), it would never look at all "cartoony" to me (not in fact 2-d, maybe 4-d, and even if it were 2-d it wouldn't simply fit into our conventional thought on 2-d), not even like a special effect because in fact it "looks" and "feels" so real to me that it BECOMES reality and in no way can an experience like that be described as or paralleled with any cartoon. That's just night and day my friend.
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then again you might be too sure of yourself. 100 trips is not that much
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redgreenvines said: then again you might be too sure of yourself. 100 trips is not that much
I'd say it's enough to make the kind of assertions I'm making. If you visit a local bar 100 times, you come to know the regulars, the drink menu and prices, where the bathroom is, etc.
I'm comfortable when I trip and it's all very familiar to me, almost like coming home, so maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Point is, my experience with "drug people" is that you have to be skeptical or you will be steamrolled, and I am not going to take this guys story for fact any time soon.
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I've had cartoon like visuals but it's always been 3d. I've had acid trips on 3-4 hits that remind me of a 60's color cartoon in 3d.
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I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.
Ever heard of cel shading? Go play Zelda: Wind Waker or Jet Set Radio and you will see what a 3d cartoon looks like. Yes these visuals do happen, I have experienced them myself. Why are you doubting an entirely subjective experience that someone had?
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By cartoon people mean things appear in the same color pattern, shape design, and overall appearance. Not a two dimensional comic book. At least that's how its been in my case and everyone else I know.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: ikku]
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I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.
Ever heard of cel shading? Go play Zelda: Wind Waker or Jet Set Radio and you will see what a 3d cartoon looks like. Yes these visuals do happen, I have experienced them myself. Why are you doubting an entirely subjective experience that someone had?
You're pointing out some pretty crappy games considering that Dragon Quest VIII also used cell shading. These are still 2-d pixels in a 3 dementional environment, that is what cell shading refers to, and being immersed in a world where everything around you looks like that is so completely uncharacteristic of ANY psychedelic compound that has yet to be discovered or synthesized that it's just that unlikely for me to disregard its validity.
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cartoonland trips exist. face it.
is toy story a cartoon? yes. is that shit 3d? yes.
i have had very 2d vision on shrooms much like waking life movie.
just cus there are no descriptions in books doesnt mean its not real.
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I had a 2CB trip that was very much "cartoony" 
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redgreenvines said: then again you might be too sure of yourself. 100 trips is not that much
I'd say it's enough to make the kind of assertions I'm making. If you visit a local bar 100 times, you come to know the regulars, the drink menu and prices, where the bathroom is, etc.
I'm comfortable when I trip and it's all very familiar to me, almost like coming home, so maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Point is, my experience with "drug people" is that you have to be skeptical or you will be steamrolled, and I am not going to take this guys story for fact any time soon.
the shroomery might seem like a cocktail party (or kareoke joint) but psychedelic experience is not the local bar
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I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.
Ever heard of cel shading? Go play Zelda: Wind Waker or Jet Set Radio and you will see what a 3d cartoon looks like. Yes these visuals do happen, I have experienced them myself. Why are you doubting an entirely subjective experience that someone had?
You're pointing out some pretty crappy games considering that Dragon Quest VIII also used cell shading. These are still 2-d pixels in a 3 dementional environment, that is what cell shading refers to, and being immersed in a world where everything around you looks like that is so completely uncharacteristic of ANY psychedelic compound that has yet to be discovered or synthesized that it's just that unlikely for me to disregard its validity.
Never mind the quality of the games I was just pointing out the style. THAT's what a cartoon land trip looks like, and yes they exist. I and many others posting in this thread have been there. Why do you continue to say it's utterly impossible when anecdotal evidence proves otherwise? You can't do a scientific test on the compounds and say that cartoonland can't exist because it's uncharacteristic of the compound, trips don't work like that, it's called SUBJECTIVITY, anecdotal evidence is the only evidence that counts and it proves that cartoonland trips happen. Seems kinda ignorant for you to come on here, ask a question, and when enough people disagree with you to prove you wrong you still won't admit it. I feel bad for your friend that he had to argue about this with you.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: ikku]
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He was probably exaggerating, but cartoon land does exist.
Short and sweet.
Now put somethin' in the air mang.
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i've had the cartoon land type trip brah, more than once. god bless tivo, after my last mushroom trip i had 2 mythbusters eps recorded because i was sure discovery aired them as a joke.. nothing could be that cartoon looking. no joke.
mushrooms are awesome, your friend isn't lying, maybe your trips just suck compared to his
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: zSDMF]
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zSDMF said: i've had the cartoon land type trip brah, more than once. god bless tivo, after my last mushroom trip i had 2 mythbusters eps recorded because i was sure discovery aired them as a joke.. nothing could be that cartoon looking. no joke.
mushrooms are awesome, your friend isn't lying, maybe your trips just suck compared to his
His was ONE experience, and he wasn't excited about it, nor did he seem to enjoy it nearly as much as I enjoy mine. I assure you, my trips do not "suck" compared to his, if in fact the cartoon land scenario was the extent of his experience with mushrooms.
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I really don't see why this is so important to you... Why can't you just let it go? Who cares what he says he experienced?
You seem to be taking it personally. Live and let live brother
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I think you'd do well to take a step back from this conversation and ask yourself,
Why are you so concerned with defining the psychedelic experience, and why are you presuming to validate the interpretations that others put on their own, personal experiences with psychedelics?
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i find it hard to believe you've tripped a few times and you haven't got the cartoon phenomena locked in your head before. it's a pretty common trip theme for a lot of people i know irl. it's so easy to lead yourself on tripping. cartoon land and a video game reality are my two favorite mindsets to go into, unless i'm shooting for some kind of therapeutic trip.. and i've only done that once or twice.
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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: creekfreek]
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This happened to me for a split second to a guy who's head was somewhat daunted and had a more obvious skull structure. At the same his head became a skull his eyes glowed red vibrantly like in Batman returns when he flies over the island and everyone is freaking out and the people hallucinate his eyes glowing red. It was pretty crazy, and the odd thing was that it wasn't a visual trip at all, but I had brief seconds of intense visuals like that.
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i have had a sort of "cartoon world" trip, but it was more video gamish where my friends looked like they were animated in a video game. of course, its just perception and people perceive things differently.
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I've had visuals that made things look like they were made in cell-based animation before. Very similar to a cartoon. Only if I would look at things for a few seconds and focus on one spot though.
Wouldn't call it cartoonland, but it was pretty animated.
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